Holy exaggeration, Batman!
What you're doing in the Lion screenshot is "All Windows" Expose. If you four-finger swipe down, you'll get the regular "Application Windows" Expose akin to your Snow Leopard screenshot.
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Holy exaggeration, Batman!
What you're doing in the Lion screenshot is "All Windows" Expose. If you four-finger swipe down, you'll get the regular "Application Windows" Expose akin to your Snow Leopard screenshot.
Holy exaggeration, Batman!
What you're doing in the Lion screenshot is "All Windows" Expose. If you four-finger swipe down, you'll get the regular "Application Windows" Expose akin to your Snow Leopard screenshot.
What if you have multiple apps that also have multiple windows? The same mess will happen (and look even worse). Switching to the application you want, then using the gesture is not very practical. The beauty of the old Exposé is that you could just see every window and switch to the exact window of a particular application with ease.
What annoys me is I spent time setting up apps to open in individual spaces. Delete those spaces in error and hey your preferences disappear. sigh
Sorry, I don't agree. I hardly miss it when my windows were like this:
If you want to get a better look at any of your windows in Mission Control, you could swipe with two fingers (scrolling gesture) on a particular app cluster, and the rest will fade down to show you more of the app in question.
Mission Control isn't perfect, but I appreciate the way it groups windows more than what we used to get in the screenshot above. Yes, it's an extra step, but it's helped me get to where I want to go sooner than having every single window thumbnail previewed got me.
I did that in the screenshot. Still, 3 windows were still completely covered and impossible to click.
Mission Control isn't perfect, but I appreciate the way it groups windows more than what we used to get in the screenshot above. Yes, it's an extra step, but it's helped me get to where I want to go sooner than having every single window thumbnail previewed got me.
And we're going back to the original point again... Try it with multiple windows. MANY windows of the same app will be completely covered unless you go to Application Exposé.
I group my windows by space, so I never have more than 2-3 windows open on a single space, so I never need to use App Exposé and I don't need to have my app windows grouped by app.
I don't like to have a cluttered desktop with windows behind each other, I prefer to have them around in a few spaces (I use 6). The current Mission Control favors using Exposé instead of Spaces to arrange your windows, which I don't find practical. But since I haven't tried Lion yet, I can't say for sure. Maybe Mission Control will work just great with 6 spaces.
I don't like to have a cluttered desktop with windows behind each other, I prefer to have them around in a few spaces (I use 6). The current Mission Control favors using Exposé instead of Spaces to arrange your windows, which I don't find practical. But since I haven't tried Lion yet, I can't say for sure. Maybe Mission Control will work just great with 6 spaces.
Sorry, I don't agree. I hardly miss it when my windows were like this:
Weird, because that screenshot looks so much better than mission control to me. I guess I just can't help but see the efficiency. I love the 10.5 expose.
Slightly off topic question.
In SL you used to be able to write a terminal command to configure app expose so it only showed you windows within the current space (not all spaces). I just tried this terminal command in Lion with no luck. Does anyone know a way to get this functionality in Lion? I hate being in one space checking app expose and suddenly being yanked to another space
Maybe its just me
In SL you used to be able to write a terminal command to configure app expose so it only showed you windows within the current space (not all spaces). I just tried this terminal command in Lion with no luck. Does anyone know a way to get this functionality in Lion? I hate being in one space checking app expose and suddenly being yanked to another space
Maybe its just me
Sorry, I don't agree. I hardly miss it when my windows were like this:
If you want to get a better look at any of your windows in Mission Control, you could swipe with two fingers (scrolling gesture) on a particular app cluster, and the rest will fade down to show you more of the app in question.
Mission Control isn't perfect, but I appreciate the way it groups windows more than what we used to get in the screenshot above. Yes, it's an extra step, but it's helped me get to where I want to go sooner than having every single window thumbnail previewed got me.
You have right about expose in 10.5, although I prefer it versus mission control! But 10.6 expose and spaces is a lot better in many ways!!! First of all you have a grid that labels each window you try to preview through expose. Then by pressing the dock icon of your running app you see only the windows of this active app. Then all windows and spaces can be moved, or grouped just by dragging them wherever you want. In mission control you can't arrange spaces and windows so easily. Mission control even denies your freedom of choice in where to put this or that. So for me that is a no no!!!
P.S. In SL expose even separates the minimised windows from the open ones!
Without SL's convenience in Lion I can't upgrade and believe me I'm sad about that!
I don't see the logic reason for removing a feature many users are comfortable with. Anyone care to enlighten me?
Sure, innovation. But why not give users the option of choosing? I don't know about you but I def. will not be upgrading before the issue with Spaces is fixed.
Sure, innovation. But why not give users the option of choosing? I don't know about you but I def. will not be upgrading before the issue with Spaces is fixed.
Really wish I had read a little more about Lion before pressing the 'Buy' button. They have taken away the feature that was the main reason why I spent nearly a £1000 on this laptop only a few months ago. So somehow I've ended up spending yet more money (as little as it is relatively, I'm still a student) to take the real value of the £1000 away from me. Lovely. Suffice to say, I'm livid. Now I'm faced with the arduous task of downgrading to SL, which I believe won't be as easy and as harmless as the Lion 'upgrade'. Thanks, Apple.
Oh and I have just emailed the big man upstairs, in slight glimmer of hope that he may just pull some magic answer from somewhere that will shed light on the company's decision making. Fingers crossed.
I apologise if that sounded a little bit ranty, it's just £1000 is a lot of money to me. And besides, I'm not used to feeling cheated by Apple.
Oh and I have just emailed the big man upstairs, in slight glimmer of hope that he may just pull some magic answer from somewhere that will shed light on the company's decision making. Fingers crossed.
I apologise if that sounded a little bit ranty, it's just £1000 is a lot of money to me. And besides, I'm not used to feeling cheated by Apple.
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You can downgrade easily using a Time Machine backup. It takes some time but it's painless.
Fortunately I chose to take a look at Lion on a spare MacBook rather than either of my main desktop computers (and for once remembered to take an image beforehand using Carbon Copy Cloner so I can undo the damage easily).
I'm a heavy user of Spaces using Expose only occasionally; I come from a Linux background and am used to thinking of having specific applications bound to specific virtual desktops which means I very rarely lose track of where something is and everything is a ^<digit> key press away.
I've found that if I ignore full screen applications and stick to just using desktops (with applications filling an entire desktop when you want that functionality) then I can approximate my old functionality. Create the number of desktops you want, move to each desktop and start up the application(s) that should run on that desktop and make sure the application is bound there by using the desktop assignment option accessed through the application's icon in the dock.
Windows can also be moved from desktop to desktop in the same was as under SL by clicking and holding on the top of the window and using the appropriate ^<digit> key combination.
A lot of the confusion caused by Lion seems to be because desktops and the new full screen applications seem to be managed as if they were the same thing. That and the loss of the grid of virtual desktops metaphor. For now I'll be keeping all my other computers on SL until Lion restores restores the ease of use I expect or until a 3rd party application steps in to undo the damage.
I was already intending to keep my main home desktop on SL because of the loss of Rosetta. The dumbing down of Spaces means I'll now not be upgrading my other machines either for a while.
I'm a heavy user of Spaces using Expose only occasionally; I come from a Linux background and am used to thinking of having specific applications bound to specific virtual desktops which means I very rarely lose track of where something is and everything is a ^<digit> key press away.
I've found that if I ignore full screen applications and stick to just using desktops (with applications filling an entire desktop when you want that functionality) then I can approximate my old functionality. Create the number of desktops you want, move to each desktop and start up the application(s) that should run on that desktop and make sure the application is bound there by using the desktop assignment option accessed through the application's icon in the dock.
Windows can also be moved from desktop to desktop in the same was as under SL by clicking and holding on the top of the window and using the appropriate ^<digit> key combination.
A lot of the confusion caused by Lion seems to be because desktops and the new full screen applications seem to be managed as if they were the same thing. That and the loss of the grid of virtual desktops metaphor. For now I'll be keeping all my other computers on SL until Lion restores restores the ease of use I expect or until a 3rd party application steps in to undo the damage.
I was already intending to keep my main home desktop on SL because of the loss of Rosetta. The dumbing down of Spaces means I'll now not be upgrading my other machines either for a while.
This is hilarious. It looks like the floor boards in my car, which Wal-Mart kindly described as an 'unsafe environment' when they went to vacuum during my last oil change.
My problem with mission control is that you can't assign more than one open window to a "Desktop". W/ two monitors (Laptop+external monitor) one gets two sets of Desktop 1, Desktop 2, etc., but one is unable to assign more than one window to each Desktop unless it is on the second monitor at which point only two windows can be assigned to a Desktop--one for one screen and another for the other screen. All other windows must be either unassigned or assigned to different Desktops.
I just discovered how to do what I thought one could not do in the above paragraph. How to is a little wonky though.
I just discovered how to do what I thought one could not do in the above paragraph. How to is a little wonky though.
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How did you do it?
You can easily switch directly to a desktop using keyboard shortcuts. But I have found no way of moving windows from space to space except for moving from the current space to other spaces.
You can easily switch directly to a desktop using keyboard shortcuts. But I have found no way of moving windows from space to space except for moving from the current space to other spaces.
what a mess, hope it's fixed in the first update.
i like the idea of mission control, but i can't believe i can't reorder desktops at the top of the window, and pin them. i'd like my apps to stay where i tell them.
i keep trying to structure my windows, i've used the dock option to 'pin' an app to a window, but nothing seems to hold.
my life has enough chaos, i want my mac to be ORDERED
i like the idea of mission control, but i can't believe i can't reorder desktops at the top of the window, and pin them. i'd like my apps to stay where i tell them.
i keep trying to structure my windows, i've used the dock option to 'pin' an app to a window, but nothing seems to hold.
my life has enough chaos, i want my mac to be ORDERED
what a mess, hope it's fixed in the first update.
i like the idea of mission control, but i can't believe i can't reorder desktops at the top of the window, and pin them. i'd like my apps to stay where i tell them.
i keep trying to structure my windows, i've used the dock option to 'pin' an app to a window, but nothing seems to hold.
my life has enough chaos, i want my mac to be ORDERED
You can still pin an application to a particular desktop, you just have to do it through the dock instead. Right click on the app in the dock, choose options then under 'assign to' choose 'this desktop'.
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Mission Control would be workable if the "spread" feature worked better. Currently it only moves the windows a little bit and they still cover each other. This makes it impossible to select a window and drag it to a new space.
Yes, I know there is App Expose, but this takes you back to the desktop and now you cannot move windows to a new space. Mission Control needs to allow you to actually manage your windows, not just select desktops or applications.
Yes, I know there is App Expose, but this takes you back to the desktop and now you cannot move windows to a new space. Mission Control needs to allow you to actually manage your windows, not just select desktops or applications.
What a disaster
Oh man, this just doesn't work. I can't manage 6 spaces in a straight line. This pretty much kills any hope of using lion anywhere but my laptop. What a bummer.
Also, why the hell is finder floating in front when I switch back and forth?
Oh man, this just doesn't work. I can't manage 6 spaces in a straight line. This pretty much kills any hope of using lion anywhere but my laptop. What a bummer.
Also, why the hell is finder floating in front when I switch back and forth?
I like the idea of swiping left and right to get to various spaces, but what I don't like is that you have NO IDEA where the hell you are. The old Spaces gave you a little HUD map of which space you were in. Now you have no idea what's on your left and what's on your right, and going into Mission Control doesn't help: of the many little thumbnails at the top, you have no idea which is the one you're on now, unless you notice the thin light grey border around it. But that doesn't help, since the thumbnails are way too small to tell what the **** is on them. The only thing that works is Full Screen Apps, since you have the app icon on it. Everything else is just random.
Apple, bring back Spaces!
PS: Don't you just hate that you swipe left to get to an instant messenger or whatever, and start typing, but your text input only gets registered once the animation completely comes to a halt? And the animation takes forever, unless you swipe unnaturally fast! Annoying!
Apple, bring back Spaces!
PS: Don't you just hate that you swipe left to get to an instant messenger or whatever, and start typing, but your text input only gets registered once the animation completely comes to a halt? And the animation takes forever, unless you swipe unnaturally fast! Annoying!