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Why would they do more than the absolute minimum to comply with rules. Do you pay more taxes than you owe or do you pay the minimum amount that you are legally required to do so?
If you're consistently undermining the law like Apple did with the DMA (see how many times Apple had to backpedal on their anti-competitive "implementations") and with other laws in the past (just look at how Apple ignored the Netherlands' laws and had to pay Tinder monthly fines for continuing to deny them their rights), don't act surprised when you end up being called a gatekeeper and people looking where the dirt under your fingernails comes from.
 
For those saying this is malicious compliance, please show me where in the DMA it says Apple can't charge for access to its platform. (Hint: it isn't in there)
They can charge fees if they want. I don't think though, that they can selectively charge apps published outside of the App Store. The Commission will likely demand from Apple to charge the same fee to App Store apps. That would off course be problematic for Apple, because it would mean that the "shelves" of the Apple App Store would empty quite quickly.
 
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How about they just release the .ipa on their own web site, without waiting for Apple's permission?

Oh yeah, that's because Apple is illegally preventing it from working if they do that. Seems to me talking to the government that's going to fine Apple for their bad behavior is the right thing to do here.
Spotify is able to release it on other App stores now for the EU
 
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It's Apple, an update from Spotify is most likely their nr 1 priority, as soon as they got it they most likely took out their magnifying glasses.
No, this is done intentionally, if there was something wrong with the update they could have notify Spotify by now.
Apple's lawyer team is probably working overtime to find a reason to block this update ...
 
Time for all these pointless music services to just do their own thing. Make a phone that people want or just sell records through a catalog stamp system. If you want to be on a phone, just make it. Or just make it work in a browser.

I’ll never give a dime to Spotify, although I hear they control the European market. Time for Apple to start attacking.
Maybe Apple should also make their own country where they can sell their stuff. How about that?
 
Time for all these pointless music services to just do their own thing. Make a phone that people want or just sell records through a catalog stamp system. If you want to be on a phone, just make it. Or just make it work in a browser.

I’ll never give a dime to Spotify, although I hear they control the European market. Time for Apple to start attacking.
Exactly!
The app cannot dictate how the platform works, this is crazy!!
 
They can charge fees if they want. I don't think though, that they can selectively charge apps published outside of the App Store. The Commission will likely demand from Apple to charge the same fee to App Store apps. That would off course be problematic for Apple, because it would mean that the "shelves" of the Apple App Store would empty quite quickly.

What's your basis for saying they can't have a different charging logic/mechanism for apps published outside the App Store?
 
Why are members picking up on the delay and thus having a go at Spotify? Apple states in it's review process that 90% of app's are reviewed within 24hrs and that the app dev will be notified via email of any status changes. It goes on to say that if the app submission is incomplete then there could be a delay and possible fail to pass the review.
(source: https://developer.apple.com/distribute/app-review/)

Now, if there is a problem with the submitted app then Apple according to it's own review guidelines should be emailing the app dev of 'status' changes. Would the app failing the review be considered a 'status' change? If there is a problem with the app that requires changes to the app, would this not also incur a 'status' change? as in status: app requires changes. If the app failed the review process would this also not incur a 'status' change as in status: app failed?

Spotifiy points out that since the app was submitted Apple has not made any contact with Spotifiy regarding the status of it's app. Is there problems with the app that need changes? did the app fail the review? Spotify does not know because Apple has kept them in the dark and continues to do so.

Apple is clearly failing to uphold it's own review guidelines with regards to Spotify's app submission which takes advantage of the EU's ruling.

Apple is in the wrong here, not Spotify.
 
Apple's lawyer team is probably working overtime to find a reason to block this update ...
Which is pointless anyway.
Apple creates these situations that don't benefit them in anyway. They are just acting childish

Why doesn’t Spotify make their own phone?
Because they are a music streaming company.

What's this question supposed to prove? It doesn't make any logical sense.
 
These are updates! not new apps, I am pretty sure this is Spotify being a spoiled ass.... If there are 4K apps that submitted updates on day 1, you really think they can properly vet them in under a day?

Also, why does it seem like it is ONLY Spotify and Epic that have been constantly complaining?
And you think apple doesn't immediately jump on Spotify's update and treats it like any other update they forget about form any other company? Have you seen how salty Apple is with the hole Spotify situation? You think this is not intentional?
 
I can't agree with this. Spotify and Epic are acting like the children. They want everything for free completely forgetting the cost of running the platforms they provide their products on.

Microsoft doesn't give us Azure cloud services for free, Amazon doesn't give us AWS for free, why is Apple expected to host a massive platform for free? Their cut is small despite what people try and claim and on par with industry standard (Google is 30% too but never takes heat).

The problem is Apple provides no alternative or allows you to provide an alternative. You don’t have to use AWS or Azure if you want to host something in the cloud. You can always roll your own.

Android you don’t have to to use to Google play store to get onto Android. You are free to host your own at no cost to yours.

Now to get on iOS you have to go through Apple’s App Store. Since Apple require their most of their arguments for fees go out the window. All Apple has to do is allow side loading or alternatively App stores with out the bs core charges and lo and behold all the other issues go away.
 
What's your basis for saying they can't have a different charging logic/mechanism for apps published outside the App Store?
Three points:
  1. The EU Commission does not want to dictate what specific fees Gatekeepers can charge, if they can avoid it.
  2. The whole point of the DMA is to create competition for app distribution on both platforms. Apple's current proposal for a fee outside the App Store hinders this competition substantially and can therefore be ruled as being anticompetitive easisly.
  3. Prohibiting the CTF would come across as heavy-handed and possibly inappropriate regulation. Mandating, that the same fees neet to be applied in both distribution channel is likely much easier to defend in court.
But I'm not an expert in competition law. This is just a guess based on how the EU has handled antitrust cases in the past.
 
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They’re putting in some text and a link.

Some text and a link aren’t dangerous and they aren’t aren’t rocket science.

Unless you make it one, because you‘re maliciously searching for details, interpretations or loopholes that allow you denial of approval (though of course we both don‘t know the full content and scope of their update).
so you've seen their code?
oh no, you didn't , so why do you make that claim in the first place?
 
Bingo. So the iPhone was essential to Spotify‘s development and success.
Correction. A smartphone of sufficient sophistication was essential. Yes Apple was the first to bring such a device to the market, but things were already trending that way. Look at the music-centric Motorola Rokr from 2005. Look at smartphones from 2006. Jobs had the ability to bring a very capable device to market, but if you think that if the iPhone had never existed, that we'd all still be using flip phones in 2024, I think that's an absolutely laughable assumption and would bring into question the validity of any of your other arguments.

To wit, almost all technology builds on previous paradigms. What if Microsoft had charged Apple a 30% commission for iTunes downloads when it launched? Would Apple be what the are today? Who knows. Regardless, I bet the EU would've taken exception to such a thing. Just look at the battles between MS and the EU in the 2000's for things that were not nearly so egregious.
 
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