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Spotify Complains That Apple Hasn't Approved Update With Subscription Pricing and Links in EU
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…that have been found illegally anticompetitiv. Which is why Apple was fined.
You don’t rent space and have the mall operator competing with a copycat store of your own.
…as was the ecosystem if third-party apps to the iPhone’s and Apple’s success (even more so, because Spotify could have thrived outside of iOS, on Android). It goes both ways: the whole of third-party app ecosystem enabled the success of the iPhone.
The difference is just: No single app is critical to Apple’s success - but Apple is a single company that is critical to many third-party developers’ success.
I’m baffled at disregard and appreciation shown to third-party developers for enabling the success of the iPhone, as shown by the totalitarianism with which Apple wants to “own“ their users base, monetise it and control every little aspect of the developer-to-customer relationship - down to a few words or a link being put into apps by their developers.
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And I’m getting so sick of Apple’s petulance and their interference with every app developer and the words and links they put into their apps. It’s technocratic, greedy and controlling.
Neither Microsoft nor Amazon force you to host everything through them, when you want do publish something on the internet. There’s more than two choices.
…and they extend that control to even the words, sentences and links being put into developers‘ apps and their communication with customers. It’s amounting to overrreach.
Should Apple be able to deny approval to apps that are providing illegal content or are illegally scamming people? Fine with everyone. But preventing established and trustworthy apps and businesses from communicating with their customers is overreach.
You don’t walk into a Japanese restaurant whose landlord makes rules for allowable ingredients in meals - and has to approve every sort of meal on offer prior to distribution to consumers.
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"Spotify complains..."
I think I've heard this one before
I think I've heard this one before
I agree. However, my comment was in response to a thread concerning Spotify’s initial decision to choose to develop for iPhone. Spotify was among the first apps on the iphone when it launched. Android did not exist at that time.
Spotify launched their app on both operating systems at the same time back in 2009
The DMA is actually an opportunity for Apple to reimagine the App Store rules for those cases they couldn't foresee back in 2008 - namely, billion dollar corporations such as Facebook that use Apple's platform for great profit without paying anything in return.
Hence... introducing the Core Technology Fee.
For those saying this is malicious compliance, please show me where in the DMA it says Apple can't charge for access to its platform. (Hint: it isn't in there)
Hence... introducing the Core Technology Fee.
For those saying this is malicious compliance, please show me where in the DMA it says Apple can't charge for access to its platform. (Hint: it isn't in there)
There was nothing unforeseeable in that.
Billion dollar corporations have been offering hotel/travel booking and shopping apps for many years for great profit. They haven’t needed to pay anything in return, except the developer subscription, of course.
It does say so several times (just search the text for “free of charge”), though obviously doesn’t entirely prohibit from charging for some things.
It is a case of malicious compliance because Apple leverages their Core Technology Fee to steer developers (particularly of many free-to-download apps) towards their old, incompliant business terms - on which no such fee is charged.
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Check your facts and your logic:
- The iPhone was successful before there was an App ecosystem solely because it was a superior phone. It is this superior baseline capability that attracted users.
- Developers found the iPhone attractive because it was superior to the alternatives and that’s where the growth in users were.
- Apple has had the so-called “totalitarian” approach to its platform from day 1 — and developers chose the iPhone then and now with full knowledge of this.
- Third party developers certainly added to the iPhone value proposition, but that came after Apple created and demonstrated the value of the iPhone ecosystem.
- Android was not selected [edited] when Spotify launched its mobile app — While Android did contribute to Spotify’s success, it was the iPhone that was the catalyst for its success
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Good luck trying that when their primary market (China) is already at the lowest purchase level ever and raising those prices would do even worse to their stock than it is today already. And raising them only in the EU will take a toll on EU customer loyalty and they will also not be able to benefit from their historical Ireland free tax waiver.
Where do you think 99% of Windows apps are hosted, on MS Azure?
Maybe make a real survey on devs then. How many are happy to pay 15% for the glorious service that Apple provides. That same service that bullies devs that Apple doesn‘t like, like Spotify and Epic.
At least there you have the choice.
Maybe you can just answer the question instead going in deflection mode. The point is that no other company of a mainstream and necessity device prevents developers to distribute their apps in open ways.
Their choice. The DMA is about enabling choices of everyone, not just leaving all the choices to the gatekeeper.
Some people who defend literally everything of Apple no matter what.
I think the Apple defenders like to leave that out and bury this fact with their dsflectionist spam.
You‘re not on Apple‘s bully list.
It seems the EU disagrees with you. And no, I don't want another product, I want an iPhone that works like my Macbook does. It's people like you who relish in authoritarianism or for your daddy that are the problem.
Successful is a subjective term. I just say in the same manner like you: The iPhone was not successful before the release of the App Store and before lowering the price of the device.
The iPhone was always more expensive than the competition, and logic dictates that when you want to make money, you have to go where people have deep pockets.
They didn‘t have that since day 1. Jobs wanted web apps and app distribution was open before the App Store. It just hasn‘t reached mainstream yet. You were able to make and release apps before the App Store.
You can also read it like this: If you remove third party developers, no one would buy an iPhone these days.
Then we will just have to see Apple’s subsequent responses to the DMA, and any possible fallout around the world. Right now, it’s still status quo in the rest of rhetorical world, so anything can happen, really.
I do know that my country didn’t seem like it’s in any hurry to have iOS open up. If anything, their attention is on addressing the recent spate of scams targeting android smartphones.
Singapore Android users to be blocked from installing certain unverified apps as part of anti-scam trial
The enhanced security measure will be progressively rolled out to Singapore users in the next few weeks.
I like how you leave out all the news where Apple‘s App Store was flooded wirh scam apps which Apple also had to mention in their security bulletin by the thousands or millions of apps they had to remove again.I do know that my country didn’t seem like it’s in any hurry to have iOS open up. If anything, their attention is on addressing the recent spate of scams targeting android smartphones.
Singapore Android users to be blocked from installing certain unverified apps as part of anti-scam trial
The enhanced security measure will be progressively rolled out to Singapore users in the next few weeks.www.channelnewsasia.com
And that is only the number of apps they are aware of.
Japan on the other hand seems to be on the same page as EU for instance https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Te...down-on-Apple-and-Google-app-store-monopoliesThen we will just have to see Apple’s subsequent responses to the DMA, and any possible fallout around the world. Right now, it’s still status quo in the rest of rhetorical world, so anything can happen, really.
I do know that my country didn’t seem like it’s in any hurry to have iOS open up. If anything, their attention is on addressing the recent spate of scams targeting android smartphones.
Singapore Android users to be blocked from installing certain unverified apps as part of anti-scam trial
The enhanced security measure will be progressively rolled out to Singapore users in the next few weeks.
So under DMA, Spotify and Epic are going to cry to EU every other day?
If you have a company which hurts your business, you talk to the ones who care about laws since the company (Apple) does not care.
No, they are going to go after Apple for not respecting the DMA. And rightfully so, because smaller devs often lacks resources to do that.
When you don't have any good argument, place 😆 as a reaction please
I didn’t mention it as it wasn’t relevant in the scenario I cited. It is true that in the last year or two, my country has had to grapple with a wake of people falling prey to malware from external links.
Nearly 2,000 victims fell for Android malware scams, at least S$34.1 million lost in 2023
The majority of victims were aged 30 to 49, and were most frequently targeted on Facebook and Instagram.
So there are problematic apps in the iOS App Store, the google play store has it worse, and android users have to contend with an additional vector of attack on top of this.
But sure, I am the problem for not wanting my iPhone to end up like android, because I guess the ability to run Fortnite (a game I don’t even care about) outweighs safeguarding one’s life savings.
I see this argumentation from Apple crowd quite often and it's so wrong.But sure, I am the problem for not wanting my iPhone to end up like android, because I guess the ability to run Fortnite (a game I don’t even care about) outweighs safeguarding one’s life savings.
DMA does not affect current App Store at all. You can continue using offical Apple's App Store and completely ignore alternative ways of getting the apps. Also, the DMA does not affect you at all since you're no living in the EU, so no worries. It's funny how most vocal crowd is from outside of the EU, where DMA does not affect you the slightest.
Did you screen those thousands or millions of apps yourself to know that it was mere external links? The core issue here is that it‘s falsehood to describe the App Store ans/or its review process as secure.
What would that vector be?Nearly 2,000 victims fell for Android malware scams, at least S$34.1 million lost in 2023
The majority of victims were aged 30 to 49, and were most frequently targeted on Facebook and Instagram.
So there are problematic apps in the iOS App Store, the google play store has it worse, and android users have to contend with an additional vector of attack on top of this.
The ability wanted is to choose what we install, not what Apple wants/allows me to install. You are trying to mitigate the notion by reducing the idea of just installing a game.But sure, I am the problem for not wanting my iPhone to end up like android, because I guess the ability to run Fortnite (a game I don’t even care about) outweighs safeguarding one’s life savings.
You are like a landlord telling me that eating chocolate in my own flat is forbidden, and on top of that listening to you is in my own interest because chocolate is not healthy.
So anybody from around the world can criticise Apple, but I can’t speak up for Apple? Is that the line we are drawing here?
And how many people here are actually from the EU, rather than simply being along for the ride and seizing every opportunity they can to laugh at Apple?