Spotify wasn’t the first streaming service by a mile. 5 years earlier we had Rhapsody in December 2001.
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Spotify Complains That Apple Hasn't Approved Update With Subscription Pricing and Links in EU
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Should Rhapsody sue Spotify for intellectual property theft?
I’m getting so sick of Spotify complaints, and of EU interference with Apple. I can understand Spotify fiercely defending their business but with the EU it appears to just be technocratic greed and control.
My favorite part is the people on here who are not in the EU but think Apple will do the same in their country out of the goodness of their hearts.
Yeah, no. Apple will get their money one way or the other (unless the EU tries to force Apple to lower prices, which to me would be a huge red line). They will fight every single locality over this, so if you want this in your country, I hope you have a strong government.
I’m happy with Apple’s approach here in the U.S. I don’t mind the “walled garden” approach to iOS or iPadOS and actually prefer it and believe it will become a worse system if they open it up. I also believe 30% is a fair cost for using the platform for the higher-end developers.
Every time I see Spotify whining it truly makes me never want to use them again.
I agree, and frankly in the US in tech, we have A LOT of bigger problems to deal with than this.
Plus like I said, Apple will get their money back somehow. Maybe a $600 SE, a $900 base iPhone, a $1200 base Pro?
Of course, then they’d come on here and complain about why Apple doesn’t offer a sub-$500 phone anymore.
They’re never happy.
Oh, in fact that level of integration is available. But…
Very, very few institutions have “maxed out” the capabilities that Wallet has to offer. I believe only Amex shows all card transactions in Wallet (whether Apple Pay is used or not).
Apple recently opened up an API for real-time deposit account balances in the EU and just one bank hopped on. They then opened it up in the US and only Discover hopped on.
Chase, BofA, Wells, Citi (the big 4) — none of them take full advantage of all the Wallet APIs because they want people in their own apps. They simply don’t care.
And I really don’t think end users care either. It’s a “nice to have” but nobody is losing sleep over the lack of integration.
I couldn't agree more! I will never support Spotify or Epic ever again. What a bunch of crybaby a**holes.
I can't agree with this. Spotify and Epic are acting like the children. They want everything for free completely forgetting the cost of running the platforms they provide their products on.
Microsoft doesn't give us Azure cloud services for free, Amazon doesn't give us AWS for free, why is Apple expected to host a massive platform for free? Their cut is small despite what people try and claim and on par with industry standard (Google is 30% too but never takes heat).
Agreed, and fortunately the App Store will remain under all proposed regulations!
I’m an independent developer and am happy with how the App Store works.
I find the feature set and billing easily worth the 15%.
So now you’ve heard from two!
same.
i changed my Premium account to free for that reason.
And that they promised high res music two years ago and havent delivered.
So renting an item is not competing with someone trying to sell the same item? Funny world you live in, if that is your point.
Spotify has basically dragged the music industry down to a non-ownership model, with approximately the same payout for the majority of artists as Limewire before it. As you said, at least Apple tried to actually sell music until that model changed. I assume the record labels get some cash, at least. Yay.
Indeed, it is well documented that there have been no complications in the Apple / Microsoft relationship over the past 40 years. /s
I have to say that the juxtaposition of your Apple hardware list signature after this post almost gave me whiplash. What a contrast! And it being multicoloured almost made it seem intentional, like some avant-garde art statement. Bravo!
You can buy the music on Apple Music that has never changed. I rarely use my Apple Music subscription. It's part of Apple One. I buy music all the time.So renting an item is not competing with someone trying to sell the same item? Funny world you live in, if that is your point.
Spotify has basically dragged the music industry down to a non-ownership model, with approximately the same payout for the majority of artists as Limewire before it. As you said, at least Apple tried to actually sell music until that model changed. I assume the record labels get some cash, at least. Yay.
Yes, I still buy it, too (as well as CDs and 3D Blu-rays, when I can find them). It seems we are no longer the norm these days, though. That said, apparently my continuing purchases of vinyl has apparently somehow recently transformed from me being an anachronistic old man into a hipster... so once again, yay?
Apple has not approved a Spotify app update that adds information on subscription pricing and links its website, Spotify complained today in an email to the European Commission (via The Verge). Spotify says that Apple has not "acknowledged nor responded" to its App Store submission.
The European Commission on March 4 fined Apple almost $2 billion and said that Apple abused its dominant position in the market by preventing music streaming services from telling users about more affordable subscription prices outside of their iOS apps. The EC said that it is "illegal under EU antitrust rules" for Apple to keep developers from telling customers about cheaper music subscription options.
Apple was told that it must "remove anti-steering provisions" in the European Union, and so on March 5, Spotify submitted an app update that included subscription pricing tiers and options to pay without using in-app purchase. Spotify says that it has not had a response from Apple since submitting the update.
Spotify told the European Commission that Apple's lack of response is "yet another example" of how Apple "will seek to circumvent and/or not comply with the Commission's decision." Spotify asked the EC to require Apple to approve the app update.
In a statement to The Verge, Spotify also said that Apple's delay "directly conflicts" with Apple's statements about processing app submissions within 24 hours, and "flies in the face of the timeline for adoption" from the EC.The ruling from the European Commission that requires Apple to eliminate anti-steering rules is separate from the app ecosystem changes that Apple made in the European Union with iOS 17.4 to comply with the Digital Markets Act (DMA).
Under the terms of the DMA, Spotify is allowed to distribute a Spotify app to EU users outside of the App Store, but it would be required to pay Apple's Core Technology Fee for each user. Spotify currently does not pay Apple any commission.
The DMA also permits Spotify to direct users to make purchases on its website while also providing information on in-app promotions, discounts, and deals, but again, Spotify would need to agree to Apple's updated business terms and fees to implement these changes. Spotify has not clarified if it adopted Apple's new terms or if its update has been submitted without doing so.
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Why? Nothing has changed in the EU App Store compared to other App Stores.
MR readers hate three companies with a vengeance: Epic, Spotify and … Apple.
I just want to be clear to all you phoneys that will literally side with Apple on every single issue.
We pay the most for a phone because we expect the best possible product.
Locking out options for consumers so they can milk us for more money after we buy that product is BS, no matter how you try to lie to yourselves about security reasons which most of you are completely ignorant about anyway.
Imagine if they prevented you from no longer being able to download apps directly to your Macbook and 100% of new app installs should go through the official app store?
Just give us, the consumer, what we want. If I want to install gambling or porn or crypto apps on my phone, or run an alternate app store where I get 30% cheaper prices because theres no Apple fee, then I should be allowed to press "I accept" to a bunch of warning/security screens from apple to do so. I should be able to go to the official website of a software maker and install the app directly from Safari.
Until we can do this, our phones are not owned by us, they are on lease from Apple.
We pay the most for a phone because we expect the best possible product.
Locking out options for consumers so they can milk us for more money after we buy that product is BS, no matter how you try to lie to yourselves about security reasons which most of you are completely ignorant about anyway.
Imagine if they prevented you from no longer being able to download apps directly to your Macbook and 100% of new app installs should go through the official app store?
Just give us, the consumer, what we want. If I want to install gambling or porn or crypto apps on my phone, or run an alternate app store where I get 30% cheaper prices because theres no Apple fee, then I should be allowed to press "I accept" to a bunch of warning/security screens from apple to do so. I should be able to go to the official website of a software maker and install the app directly from Safari.
Until we can do this, our phones are not owned by us, they are on lease from Apple.
The whole thing is ridiculous, Spotify is mad that they’re not getting quick enough service even after they bribed these law makers. And if you don’t think Spotify bribed the law makers, you clearly haven’t met the music industry.
Spotify is just a face for the record labels who have played dirty and functioned as an industry cartel for decades! (Them and the Chinese government.)
It’s incredibly likely that Apple’s rules made clear certain things they’d need to do and Spotify figured the rules shouldn’t apply to them since they’d already bought the politicians doing the enforcement.
Spotify is just a face for the record labels who have played dirty and functioned as an industry cartel for decades! (Them and the Chinese government.)
It’s incredibly likely that Apple’s rules made clear certain things they’d need to do and Spotify figured the rules shouldn’t apply to them since they’d already bought the politicians doing the enforcement.