Then I guess this world is a very difficult place for you. Everywhere you go, there are rules about what you can and can't do with things you own. For someone who seems so deadset against rules, you should also be against all these EU regulations. Unless your problem isn't in regards to rules applied to OTHERS. Just the rules applied to you, right?
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Spotify Shares Its Vision for In-App Purchases Ahead of EU Regulation
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Consumer first, government second (supporting consumers), corporations third. Corporations should have zero say-so over the first two. They aren't people, and aren't elected. We the people, not we the corporation.
Simple.
I am sure that Spotify would gladly offer their app on their website for manual installation to bypass the App Store's rules, but Apple doesn't allow that either.
That's up to the contracts that Spotify has negotiated with the labels. It has nothing to do with the App Store.
it would be the same as physical stores. they can dedicate what they sell. it is their stores. every store either physical or virtual charges some type of fees to sell on their platform. this includes other companies. what dev should do is stop putting their apps on there until fees are lower.
And I too, wish the world were this mythical, perfect place where everything worked out. But it's not. Never has and likely never will be. Life is full of little disappointments.
I am currently suing Walmart and I am hoping all you pro Spotify people can weight in.
I have created a really cool "widget" and for some ridiculous reason Walmart won't allow me to place this widget on their shelves or in their online store for a flat monetary fee.
These crazy Walmart executives want a mind bending 50% of the sale price from both online and in store purchases.
Can you believe that. I should be able to pay a simple flat fee per year, to put out or post up, and sell as many widgets as I want out of their stores.
Why are these criminals allowed to gate-keep on my product that they had NO input in creating.
If I start a petition will all you smart folks sign it?
I have created a really cool "widget" and for some ridiculous reason Walmart won't allow me to place this widget on their shelves or in their online store for a flat monetary fee.
These crazy Walmart executives want a mind bending 50% of the sale price from both online and in store purchases.
Can you believe that. I should be able to pay a simple flat fee per year, to put out or post up, and sell as many widgets as I want out of their stores.
Why are these criminals allowed to gate-keep on my product that they had NO input in creating.
If I start a petition will all you smart folks sign it?
Not at all.
Why *shouldnt* apple's own services get a 'leg up' on its OWN devices which it developed and wrote the software for and created the app store etc etc etc.
You do, after all, find pre-installed widgets for Google's services on pixel phones dont you?
Not the same at all.
Spotify are welcome to host their app on the App store - why not..... BUT if they want to use that app distributed via Apple's app store to attract more subscriptions... then pay for the privilege.
As I said. there is NOTHING stopping spotify from not using the app for subscriptions - they dont have to at all. Im sure their customers could sign up via a browser and this simply wouldnt be a problem.
For example.. I have RING cameras. I have a RING protect plan that I signed up for via a browser. The app is great - and doesnt have or need the ability to subscribe inside it - why does it need to?
People are voting with their wallets, just not the way some want.
Fair enough. But in their insistence not to give an inch, it seems the government has finally gotten around to taking a mile.
Even if it’s a really nice playground, if they make the rules bad enough, people aren’t going to want to play.
I would really think they’d want to enhance developer relations right now, considering they are taking a big bet on a major new platform which has very little software, and large software developers seemingly actively working to sabotage it.
It’s not a coincidence that Spotify is taking their one shot at leverage against Apple now. I bet someone really enjoyed un-ticking that “make available on VisionOS” checkbox.
Cool, I’m going to create a playground and one of the rules is that it’s ok to hit the children. Hey, it’s my playground! My rules.
I do struggle a bit to understand why Apple thinks this is so important for iOS but not macOS?
But of course less subscriptions and apps and stuff on macOS and less money to be lost, perhaps?
Especially considering the fact that EU politicians aren't elected by anyone outside of the EU. We don't get a say in their elections, but somehow, they can force USB-C, side loading (though currently sounding like it'll be limited to the EU, they'll probably try and force it worldwide), and webpage cookie banners worldwide. And also somehow think they can threaten Apple by fining them based on WORLDWIDE revenue. For people who aren't elected worldwide, they seem to have an awful lot of whole-world affecting power. Their power and influence should STOP where their borders stop...and especially when it comes to fines. That should be limited to revenue from the EU.
It's bad enough that MY OWN elected officials can't be bothered to give a crap...but it's even worse that unelected officials (to us) thousands of miles away have this kind of influence over.
But you said it! A naive dream!
But this isn’t about us as users. It’s about developers. I agree with the spirit of most of their rules. But they are going too far and not doing a good enough job to back it up. And even as users they are making rules that make things worse for us, as users. There’s a reason many companies have to use a sarcastically worded sign-up screen vaguely hinting that the fact that maybe somewhere you can create an account that will make this app work.
If Apple is going to insist on such tight, complete control, they have to be very benevolent dictators. You say you don’t want government hand-holding, but you’re getting Apple hand-holding. As long as Apple’s best interest is yours, great. But it seems increasingly with regard to the App Store, the user experience is not the top priority.
So like self checkout will I get a discount because they are not being charged Apple’s 30%? Or like usual is the consumer screwed?
Apple should severely limit what API's side-loaded apps can access. If the companies don't want to pay apple, they shouldn't be able to benefit from Apple's innovation.
The Frozen Yoghurt store doesn't operate a mobile platform with 1.46 billion users.
That's the difference.
Spotify great success is thanks to Apple ecosystem in a big portion, this is just hypocrisy. I'm in EU and I don't understand all of these measures. When you buy Apple products or when you develop for iOS you know in advance what do you will (and not) get. If you don't agree, just go buying/developing somewhere else. Now that this guys are big (thanks to Apple) is when they turned greedy and start complaining.
I ran into this the other day wtih Netflix, I wanted to upgrade so the family could have it running simultaneously on a few screens. I went into the settings but there was no subscription info or any ability to upgrade the plan, had to do it on a computer browser.
They can still offer Apple Pay, PayPal, or whatever. This is completely unrelated.
> You’re about to experience a new Spotify if you live in the EU.
What a joke! Who gives a crap, if you want to save a few dollars/euro, then just subscribe online. Spotify are making it out like their users are getting a whole new utopian experience, when really they're just optimising their payment flows.
Also, their audiobooks are criminally expensive compared to Audible.
Plus, they need to pay artists more.
What a joke! Who gives a crap, if you want to save a few dollars/euro, then just subscribe online. Spotify are making it out like their users are getting a whole new utopian experience, when really they're just optimising their payment flows.
Also, their audiobooks are criminally expensive compared to Audible.
Plus, they need to pay artists more.
We the users will NOT save some dollars here. It's Spotify that will save a lot of money with this.
And what do you think can happen when Spotify gets more money after this?
Yes, they might start paying the artists more.
