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Right. It's so rampant on the Mac. SOOO RAMPANT!

Please, this is a baloney excuse. Apple was able to manage it for the Mac, absolutely zero reason why they couldn't on iOS.
The main reason malware on Mac isn't as common as MS Windows is due to the larger install base. It is not even close to being like iOS when it comes to security. If you can't understand basics like this I don't know what to say. There are so many reasons one could argue that iOS should be open like macOS but security isn't one of them. I really hope you don't own a Mac and use it thinking it's secure as an iOS device. Please don't do that....
 
For God's sake, Apple's take on the App store is not 30% in perpetuity. It's 30% for the *first* year, after which it is 15%. If you think that's gouging, trying building it yourself. Oh, and Google's store takes 30% too, without the robust oversight that Apple provides.

I don’t need big brother Apple decide what I can download or not download on my iPhone, nor I need their oversight.

I am perfectly capable of decide myself. I run Linux, Windows, MacOS, Android and of course iOS. I have never get single virus or malware.
 
But manufacturers can choose not sell through Walmart, Amazon and sell somewhere else.

Apple does not give option to side-load, 3rd party App Store etc.... Where Google has no problem with 3rd party App Store.

Anyway, I refuse purchase anything through in app purchase. I have problem with how anti-competitive Apple is.

I rather take risk to side load apps then purchase staff from App Store directly.

I would rather pay developer directly, not willing to take my money to Apple, because I have issue with 30% cut.

If Apple wants to open store to sell application, they are the one should eat the cost.

there is a fallacy in your debate here.

Google does have a problem with 3rd party app stores - if theirs is removed or any Google’s apps are blocked or hidden at purchase or via update then google pulls support of Android Google Services (Google’s not the core Android itself). Huawei is experiencing this.

another thought is:
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Is Fortnite having service or game upgrades via THEIR own store within the game or is it in coop of PlayStation’s Store or Microsoft’s or Nintendo’s stores??

either way if this debate is about greed from anyone’s perspective (the 30% App Store fee) then they’re all greedy in my view.
 
Apple created the ecosystem for their platform ... and all these spoiled developers who made millions/billion from that very same service and platform....are now forgetting how they got there.
This reminded me of when eBay began to move from traditional auctions to a more typical marketplace of "Power Sellers" -- may have also been near the time of the PayPal acquisition -- and, especially with lower cost items, sellers were fighting increased fees by upping the shipping cost because it didn't affect final value fee. For example, charge $30 for shipping and be okay with $10-40 ending bid or Buy Now price on something such as earphones. The point being, even if you disagreed with eBays changes, this was a poor reaction, was just about greed (from both sides), and only went on to confuse and create problems for bidders, e.g. refunds.
 
there is a fallacy in your debate here.

Google does have a problem with 3rd party app stores - if theirs is removed or any Google’s apps are blocked or hidden at purchase or via update then google pulls support of Android Google Services (Google’s not the core Android itself). Huawei is experiencing this.

another thought is:
Xbox
Switch
PS4
Is Fortnite having service or game upgrades via THEIR own store within the game or is it in coop of PlayStation’s Store or Microsoft’s or Nintendo’s stores??

either way if this debate is about greed from anyone’s perspective (the 30% App Store fee) then they’re all greedy in my view.

Huawei is building their own App Store and ecosystem. How much success they can get is different story. But it is possible.

I mean, Google doesn’t even operate their Google Store in China and each smart phone manufacturer build their own store.

Also I can side load app easily within Android.

I don’t know about game console, but apparently you can buy games from other sources.

I have big problem with how Apple restrict App distribution through App Store. They don’t do it on Mac.
 
Awesome video. This is the competition we want to see, companies fighting it out. Go Epic, #freefortnite
 
If Spotify and Epic don’t want to pay the price of admission, then they can do without the Apple app store. They won’t do that, though. They want to come to Apple’s home and demand what Apple does and doesn’t do in their own home.
You already have to pay as a developer to access the App Store. Not only do you have to pay for the ability to publish in the first place, but then you are forced to use all of Apple's service regardless of what your app does. This would be like if a site like eBay only let you use PayPal, or if Microsoft only let vendors use Internet Explorer on their computers... Oh wait a minute, both of those things already happened, and both of those things changed, because of the evidence that they were monopolies. The only difference is that Apple with iOS has about 10X more evidence against it due to how locked out they have their ecosystem. Hmmm... I wonder how this is going to turn out.
 
But manufacturers can choose not sell through Walmart, Amazon and sell somewhere else.

Apple does not give option to side-load, 3rd party App Store etc.... Where Google has no problem with 3rd party App Store.

Anyway, I refuse purchase anything through in app purchase. I have problem with how anti-competitive Apple is.

I rather take risk to side load apps then purchase staff from App Store directly.

I would rather pay developer directly, not willing to take my money to Apple, because I have issue with 30% cut.

If Apple wants to open store to sell application, they are the one should eat the cost.

But developers can choose not sell through Apple and sell somewhere else. There are many many other platforms to develop for other than iOS

Walmart does not give an option to side-load merchandise to avoid paying their cut .... Google has no problem with 3rd party App Store and is less secure because of it.

You refusing to purchase anything through in app purchase is your personal problem. Your feeling that Apple is anti-competitive is also your feelings and problem. While I have empathy for your feelings, I don't want your feelings to change a product I purchased knowing how it was. If you actually own an iOS device maybe you should have thought about how you feel when it comes to the app store/ walled garden.

I understand you would rather pay developer directly however I would not and that's part of the reason I bought iOS devices.

You said if Apple wants to open store to sell application, they are the one should eat the cost. I disagree because there's no logical point behind this statement.
 
So if a vendor doesn’t accept AmEx, I should sue them to accept my payment method?
If that vendor also happens to have a monopoly on the stores that sell your product, and use said monopoly to force said product to not be sold elsewhere, no. But you can get the person who makes the product to sue.
 
You already have to pay as a developer to access the App Store. Not only do you have to pay for the ability to publish in the first place, but then you are forced to use all of Apple's service regardless of what your app does. This would be like if a site like eBay only let you use PayPal, or if Microsoft only let vendors use Internet Explorer on their computers... Oh wait a minute, both of those things already happened, and both of those things changed, because of the evidence that they were monopolies. The only difference is that Apple with iOS has about 10X more evidence against it due to how locked out they have their ecosystem. Hmmm... I wonder how this is going to turn out.
Another words, Apple should be punished because they are successful and other companies don’t want to play by the rules they originally agreed to. That is the argument you just gave me. Not a good argument at all.
 
Another words, Apple should be punished because they are successful and other companies don’t want to play by the rules they originally agreed to. That is the argument you just gave me. Not a good argument at all.
Apple should stop forcing everyone to use their payment services. Simple as that.
 
Apple should stop forcing everyone to use their payment services. Simple as that.
Apple has the right to determine how payment is made in their own store. What isn’t right, is signing you agree to the terms and conditions therein, and then deciding after the fact, that you aren’t going to abide by them, and then demand Apple acquiesce to your demands. That doesn’t create legal standing. What that creates is breach of contract.
 
Another words, Apple should be punished because they are successful and other companies don’t want to play by the rules they originally agreed to. That is the argument you just gave me. Not a good argument at all.
Apple should also stop preventing all other companies from publishing app stores. This is a text book monopoly. You cannot install applications on a piece of hardware that you own without jumping through a number of unrealistic hoops for the consumer. That is ridiculous. It has caused xCloud to be completely banned from iOS devices. It has caused Spotify, a competitor to Apple Music to loose profit, and literally compete against itself by giving apple subscription revenue. Now it is causing the same thing to happen to Epic. This is not complicated, it is a monopoly. Remove yourself from brand loyalty and look at it for what it is. I hope Microsoft jumps into this suit and sues apple into oblivion. There is a reason why this is illegal, and it is long overdue for it to be stopped.
 
No it's not. If most of your target customers are on the iPhone, and want to help those customers, then you can't just force them to switch to Android. They have a right to your products and benefits too.

In the States, we have the right to peaceably assemble, the right to speedy and public trial, the right to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures.

I'm not sure "right" is the best word to use when talking about installing an app on a smartphone.
 
Apple has the right to determine how payment is made in their own store. What isn’t right, is signing you agree to the terms and conditions therein, and then deciding after the fact, that you aren’t going to abide by them, and then demand Apple acquiesce to your demands. That doesn’t create legal standing. What that creates is breach of contract.
There is no other choice for anyone to publish for a billion devices. This is a monopoly. If you want to bring google into it then it is a duopoly. Both are illegal.
 
Apple has the right to determine how payment is made in their own store. What isn’t right, is signing you agree to the terms and conditions therein, and then deciding after the fact, that you aren’t going to abide by them, and then demand Apple acquiesce to your demands. That doesn’t create legal standing. What that creates is breach of contract.

You have no other choice to make when it comes to developing iOS application isn’t it.

It is like liquor maker don’t have any choice but sell at government run liquor store (At least in Ontario).

So, let me ask you, do you have issue with government mandating liquor makers ONLY sell at government run store?

If there is alternative App Store available for iOS, then how many of these developer will sign up for Apple’s App Store?
 
Just what Apple needs more monopoly claims with Spotify being supportive against the Apple store after being questioned in front of congress recently. Doesn't matter if you're on Apple's side and think its all just nonsense, the press will reexamine it all again. The 1984 video redo is well done.
The Harris administration will sort it out in January. The news says she favors the tech giants so probably Apple will be ok.
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There is no other choice for anyone to publish for a billion devices. This is a monopoly. If you want to bring google into it then it is a duopoly. Both are illegal.
PlayStation has a monopoly on what PlayStation games go on the PlayStation. They also process all payments. It’s ok.
 
You have no other choice to make when it comes to developing iOS application isn’t it.

It is like liquor maker don’t have any choice but sell at government run liquor store (At least in Ontario).

So, let me ask you, do you have issue with government mandating liquor makers ONLY sell at government run store?

If there is alternative App Store available for iOS, then how many of these developer will sign up for Apple’s App Store?
You argument boils down to “ Company X is too successful and should be told by government (thru the court) that it cannot be as successful as it wanted and therefore, it will be legally and financially penalized for doing what other companies wanted to do but failed to do”.

I don’t buy into that mindset, much less that kind of argument. I find it absurd.
 
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But developers can choose not sell through Apple and sell somewhere else. There are many many other platforms to develop for other than iOS

Walmart does not give an option to side-load merchandise to avoid paying their cut .... Google has no problem with 3rd party App Store and is less secure because of it.

You refusing to purchase anything through in app purchase is your personal problem. Your feeling that Apple is anti-competitive is also your feelings and problem. While I have empathy for your feelings, I don't want your feelings to change a product I purchased knowing how it was. If you actually own an iOS device maybe you should have thought about how you feel when it comes to the app store/ walled garden.

I understand you would rather pay developer directly however I would not and that's part of the reason I bought iOS devices.

You said if Apple wants to open store to sell application, they are the one should eat the cost. I disagree because there's no logical point behind this statement.

How is other store less secure? Just because it is not official?

I own 12 iPhones, 4 iPads, 3 MacBook Airs, 2 Mac mini, 2 Apple Watch. Of course, I am not using all of them, I brought all of them for family members.

Even though I am using Apple’s devices, doesn’t mean I agree or I like Apple’s walled garden approach.

There is no proof that alternative store will jeopardize iOS security.
 
Apple should do a hostile takeover of Spotify, or at least amass a big enough stake to put some its own people on the Spotify Board of Directors to shut them up.
 
You argument boils down to “ Company X is too successful and should be told by government (thru the court or legislation) that it cannot be as successful as it wanted and therefore, it will be legally and financially penalized for doing what other companies wanted to do but failed to do”.

I don’t buy into that mindset, much less that kind of argument. I find it absurd.

Although first generation iPhone is revolutionary, but it is just a cellphone. In fact, first generation iPhone is pretty terrible phone.

It is the App Store pushes Apple’s success. It is the very developer that made iPhone such popular phone.

Your successful iPhone is built on top’s of millions of developers.

Also, just because Apple is big successesful, doesn’t mean Apple can act like ass.

There is no difference between Apple’s approach and government run liquor enterprise. It is anti-competitive.

By the way, this extend to other companies as well. If one day, Google choose to ban all 3rd party store and side loading, I will have issue with Google as well.

Tell me, why is Apple not forcing App Store on Mac?
 
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