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PlayStation has a monopoly on what PlayStation games go on the PlayStation. They also process all payments. It’s ok.
Yeah, but Sony doesn't have 50% of the gaming market. Also the second point about payments is completely irrelevant, because Sony does not force you to process payments within it's ecosystem. You can buy a product on fortnites website, and it will show up in the game. They process payments, but they don't force you to use their payment processor.
 
You argument boils down to “ Company X is too successful and should be told by government (thru the court) that it cannot be as successful as it wanted and therefore, it will be legally and financially penalized for doing what other companies wanted to do but failed to do”.

I don’t buy into that mindset, much less that kind of argument. I find it absurd.
Do you think monopolies are a good thing?
 
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Although first generation iPhone is revolutionary, but it is just a cellphone. In fact, first generation iPhone is pretty terrible phone.

It is the App Store pushes Apple’s success. It is the very developer that made iPhone such popular phone.

Your successful iPhone is built on top’s of millions of developers.

Also, just because Apple is big successesful, doesn’t mean Apple can act like ass.

There is no difference between Apple’s approach and government run liquor enterprise. It is anti-competitive.
I agree that developers (as a whole) helped to make the iPhone the overall success that it has come to be. At the same time, you cannot discount or attempt to remove the Apple frame work which is the App store, as well as the OS foundation.

A lot of people want to profit off the app store traffic without abiding by the store rules, and that is not legally right. And now Epic and Spotify want to use the court as a weapon of force against Apple for terms they agreed to.
 
Do you think monopolies are a good thing?
I think Apple, Microsoft, you, or any other company or developer should be as legally and morally successful as your work, ethic mindset, vision, and product demand allow. If you come to have the greatest store in the U.S. that puts to shame every other retail store, bully for you. I have no problem with that.
 
I agree that developers (as a whole) helped to make the iPhone the overall success that it has come to be. At the same time, you cannot discount or attempt to remove the Apple frame work which is the App store, as well as the OS foundation.

A lot of people want to profit off the app store traffic without abiding by the store rules, and that is not legally right. And now Epic and Spotify want to use the court as a weapon of force against Apple for terms they agreed to.

Nobody is discounting Apple’s frame work, but people have issue with Apple’s big brother approach.

I am arguing about choice. The developer has no choice but accept Apple’s App Store rule. It is no difference with again government run liquor store. Do you think all three liquor makers are happy with government rules? Do you think they don’t want sell their products elsewhere?
 
I think Apple, Microsoft, you, or any other company or developer should be as legally and morally successful as your work, ethic mindset, vision, and product demand allow. If you come to have the greatest store in the U.S. that puts to shame every other retail store, bully for you. I have no problem with that.
If you do not think that monopolies are a bad thing, then I would urge you to read up on antitrust cases, and the underlying reasons why monopolies, or duopolies in this case, stifle innovation. We could have a much better platforms if we could shake off the duopolies that have formed in the last decade.
 
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Apple is going to Nintendo itself, and kill off it's 3rd party publisher support with these policies. Apple may be on top of the world now, but never forget how quickly that can change. Apple can barely gain a base outside of North America, and the world is a lot bigger than that. They are going to dig their own grave trying to skim as much as they can from the people they should be trying to prop up.
 
Apple is playing directly into Epic's hands, just like I said earlier today. They had this video ready to go and everything. This is all strategic, and they're probably communicating with other companies behind the scenes. Hopefully Microsoft gets in on this because it's ridiculous that I can't use my xCloud service on iOS.

Of course Spotify is siding with Epic. Nether company wants to pay Apple a penny for their success though selling on the AppStore.
No, they just don't want to pay Apple 30%, which has always been a bit ridiculous. Imagine if payment processors like Visa charged retailers 30% to process payments and didn't allow them to take any other forms of payment. People and companies would be losing their minds. I feel like if Apple just charged 12% or similar like Epic does on their game store, then most of these troubles would go away. It doesn't actually cost that much to list and download games on the App Store for Apple. For now it's a cash grab to take as much as they can before they're eventually ruled against. I'm surprised it has taken this long, but it's probably the crunch from the economy pushing this to the forefront.
 
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"We applaud Epic Games' decision to take a stand against Apple and shed further light on Apple's abuse of its dominant position. Apple's unfair practices have disadvantaged competitors and deprived consumers for far too long. The stakes for consumers and app developers large and small couldn't be higher and ensuring that the iOS platform operates competitively and fairly is an urgent task with far-reaching implications."

Great! So you don't mind paying to keep the App Store maintained, right? Or did you think all that data management, network bandwidth, and content delivery was free? Do you know how much it costs to run data centers and cloud services?
 
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Yeah, when they are government regulated utilities :p

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A monopoly is when a company has exclusive control over a good or service in a particular market. Not all monopolies are illegal. For example, businesses might legally corner their market if they produce a superior product or are well managed. Antitrust law doesn’t penalize successful companies just for being successful. Competitors may be at a legitimate disadvantage if their product or service is inferior to the monopolist’s.
 
How is other store less secure? Just because it is not official?

I own 12 iPhones, 4 iPads, 3 MacBook Airs, 2 Mac mini, 2 Apple Watch. Of course, I am not using all of them, I brought all of them for family members.

Even though I am using Apple’s devices, doesn’t mean I agree or I like Apple’s walled garden approach.

There is no proof that alternative store will jeopardize iOS security.
How is a random website or app store less secure? That’s what you’re asking. I could make an "App Store" and put nothing but malware on it. Do you think it would be less secure?

Sure you agree when you buy their products. I’m not sure if you’re just trying to brag by saying all the Apple products you bought but if you’re buying from a company then you’re supporting what that company does. If you don’t support or like their products there’s alternative companies you can buy from. Even in communist countries like China you’re allowed to choose what products you want to buy. Perhaps your family members like Apple and agree with them thus making the choice for you and buying with your money. I don’t know your specific situation. Either way if you want a device that has side loading and other app stores that is available. It doesn’t mean because you don’t like the device that doesn’t have what you want it should be forced to have it because that’s what you want. I like black cars but I don’t think everyone should be forced to have a black car. Buy the color car you like and I’ll buy the color car I like and will both be happy. You see how this works?
 
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A monopoly is when a company has exclusive control over a good or service in a particular market. Not all monopolies are illegal. For example, businesses might legally corner their market if they produce a superior product or are well managed. Antitrust law doesn’t penalize successful companies just for being successful. Competitors may be at a legitimate disadvantage if their product or service is inferior to the monopolist’s.
Is anyone seriously trying to argue that Apple has a monopoly in any market? I love Apple products but let’s get serious they’re not even close to that popular to become a monopoly 🤦‍♂️
 
Is anyone seriously trying to argue that Apple has a monopoly in any market? I love Apple products but let’s get serious they’re not even close to that popular to become a monopoly 🤦‍♂️

I was responding to the statement that all monopolies are illegal which isn’t true. I wasn’t implying that Apple is a monopoly.
 
"and deprived consumers for far too long."
Excuse me Spotify: deprived consumers of what? The opportunity to pay you - a for profit company - the 30% service fee instead?

It's like listening to my 5 year old twins trying to persuade me why I should give he or she 2 of the available 3 Smurf cartoons for various fair or unfair reasons 🤪.
 
How is a random website or app store less secure? That’s what you’re asking. I could make an "App Store" and put nothing but malware on it. Do you think it would be less secure?

Sure you agree when you buy their products. I’m not sure if you’re just trying to brag by saying all the Apple products you bought but if you’re buying from a company then you’re supporting what that company does. If you don’t support or like their products there’s alternative companies you can buy from. Even in communist countries like China you’re allowed to choose what products you want to buy. Perhaps your family members like Apple and agree with them thus making the choice for you and buying with your money. I don’t know your specific situation. Either way if you want a device that has side loading and other app stores that is available. It doesn’t mean because you don’t like the device that doesn’t have what you want it should be forced to have it because that’s what you want. I like black cars but I don’t think everyone should be forced to have a black car. Buy the color car you like and I’ll buy the color car I like and will both be happy. You see how this works?

I am sure side-loading apps, buying a product from a company doesn’t mean I 100% support that company.

Heck, I don’t 100% agree with our Prime Minister that I voted for.

I am sure trusting Amazon, Google’s version of App Store in iOS.

I am grew man, I can tell what to trust and what not to trust. I jailbreak my iPhone, I install Cydia, downloading mods that I want, paying app developer directly.

The fact that I have to go through these pisses me off. Sure I can use Android and I do. I use iPhone because I like Mac, it works well with Mac. But that doesn’t mean I agree with Apple’s restrictions.
 
"and deprived consumers for far too long."
Excuse me Spotify: deprived consumers of what? The opportunity to pay you - a for profit company - the 30% service fee instead?

It's like listening to my 5 year old twins trying to persuade me why I should give he or she 2 of the available 3 Smurf cartoons for various fair or unfair reasons 🤪.

Same IAP, iOS version is more expensive than Android (only some apps, not all apps). How is that fair.

Yes, I purchase from Google Play store instead.
 
No it's not. If most of your target customers are on the iPhone, and want to help those customers, then you can't just force them to switch to Android. They have a right to your products and benefits too.

If most of your customers are WalMart shoppers then you have to go thru WalMart and you can’t force them to shop at Kroger.

Same argument, different sales point.
 
I am sure side-loading apps, buying a product from a company doesn’t mean I 100% support that company.

Heck, I don’t 100% agree with our Prime Minister that I voted for.

I am sure trusting Amazon, Google’s version of App Store in iOS.

I am grew man, I can tell what to trust and what not to trust. I jailbreak my iPhone, I install Cydia, downloading mods that I want, paying app developer directly.

The fact that I have to go through these pisses me off. Sure I can use Android and I do. I use iPhone because I like Mac, it works well with Mac. But that doesn’t mean I agree with Apple’s restrictions.
I guess you have a specific needs but for disliking your devices locked down you sure picked an interesting brand. Most people in your shoes would be using some type of Android and Linux. macOS is also locked down but not to the extent of iOS. Just look at the tears about the T2 chip. I expect it will only be locked down more with ARM.

My needs and wants are just the opposite. I like the locked down OS of iOS and even the less locked down macOS. I don't my iPhone to be like Android because if I wanted that I would buy that. What keeps the iPhone secure is the locked down walled garden of the App Store. What keeps the App Store going is the money Apple makes off it.
 
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