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Spotify Sides With Epic Games in Battle Against Apple's App Store Fees

For Spotify, taking Epic's side is blindly enemy's enemy is friend. All App developers want to grow large with the help of IOS or Android platform and in process has no problem sharing revenue cake with the platform owners they using. But, once they grew large successful, they want the whole cake for themselves.
I buy iPhone because I trust Apple who make sure the Apps on App Store I use are behaving the way they agreed to including privacy protection. Always respect Apple's unwavering fight for user info protection.
 
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Seems like there quite a few false dichotomies going on in this thread.

I too happen to like that iOS is locked down and that Apple have a well curated and singular app store. Most would agree this sets them apart from Android in that respect. (in a good way imo)

That said, there is no reason Apple also couldn't allow outside payments. That way users could decide if they want to pay the apple tax for convenience or not.

Otherwise it's really Apple fleecing their customers indirectly. This dark pattern caught me earlier this year when I subscribed to the YouTube App. Only later did I discover I was paying more, because the signup had gone through Apple pay. So for that one time convenience, Apple kept raking it in. Google wasn't even allowed to inform me of this. How exactly is that a pro consumer move by Apple? (it isnt). This is greed and control at an unnecessarily extreme level, plain and simple.
 
I think $9.99/month for Spotify Premium is exorbitant. I think I'm gonna sue them now
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wood1208 said:
For Spotify, taking Epic's side is blindly enemy's enemy is friend. All App developers want to grow large with the help of IOS or Android platform and in process has no problem sharing revenue cake with the platform owners they using. But, once they grew large successful, they want the whole cake for themselves.
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You, my friend, truly understand the issue. It's all about who gets the money.
 
A companies like Spotify and Epic games have enough resources to create their own portable gaming devices and music players. I also don't understand why publishers aren't complaining about Xbox, Sony Playstation and Nintendo fees surly they all take a cut. Phone's aren't that expensive to make look as Blu Phone for example or Nokia phone they're dirt cheap.
 
canhaz said:
That said, there is no reason Apple also couldn't allow outside payments. That way users could decide if they want to pay the apple tax for convenience or not.
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Actually there is, it would damage Apples brand image if they allow App developers run amok on their platform. App developers will do anything for a dollar for example harvesting and selling you personal information like your location data tons of weather apps do this. Apple is soon as the safe platform, they take care of disputes for you it's one stop resolution.
 
larrylaffer said:
Some of us old timers remember when Microsoft got nailed for bundling IE, and we were all for the punishment meted down on them at the time.

I struggle to see the difference here, but for a lot you, your tune has changed.
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Read the actual court case more closely. Microsoft was found approaching Netscape to try to prevent them from creating a browser in Windows 95. Not just because they bundled IE. They also approached OEMs to not install Netscape by default in the images. They also did something similar with Sun Java.
 
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Is it coincidental that Tencent, who own 40% of Epic also have not only a 10% holding of Spotify, but also some join ops with them via Tencent Media?
 
LawJolla said:
Take a second to read the complaint. Epic alleges the single option / Apple payment processing is at issue and monopolistic, not the store. I tend to agree given the law.

Look at it from the store out, not from the product down. For instance, say that a mall forced every store to use the mall's credit card processing service. That's ok because there are many malls and business/consumer choice. But now assume that the mall also makes its own product (phone?), and the only way to sell add ons for the product/phone is through its mall using its processing service.
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All stores in a mall have to pay a price in order to do business there. By design, malls draw in a larger market than the individual stores can do on their own.

iOS and Android are the malls. They expose devs to a larger audience than they can on their own. Its not as if people buy Google or Apple product because of an app.

Fortnite needs to negotiate a lower fee and stop being whiny little babies.
 
I wonder how long this has been in the works for, considering their video was ready to go along with the lawsuit

my understanding is epic games are where they are today thanks To the App Store and now they want to just change the game because of their leveraged success?
 
Have to hand it to Epic. This is an amazing troll! I get both sides of the argument here, but I think Epic just burned a bridge for some short term gain. Apple is going to have to find somebody else to show off the graphics of their new SoC next keynote.
 
mrcloaked said:
Is Kroger on a different planet, as the only store on that planet?
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That’s not the argument made by the OP. Stop twisting it out of context.

You’ll not win a debate by introducing variables in a response that were not there at the start.

Want to tell me where the concept of “planets” came from on the OPs post?
 
russell_314 said:
I guess you have a specific needs but for disliking your devices locked down you sure picked an interesting brand. Most people in your shoes would be using some type of Android and Linux. macOS is also locked down but not to the extent of iOS. Just look at the tears about the T2 chip. I expect it will only be locked down more with ARM.

My needs and wants are just the opposite. I like the locked down OS of iOS and even the less locked down macOS. I don't my iPhone to be like Android because if I wanted that I would buy that. What keeps the iPhone secure is the locked down walled garden of the App Store. What keeps the App Store going is the money Apple makes off it.
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My main computer is MacBook Air, T2 chip is disabled. I also have 2 PC laptops, with Windows and Linux. Gaming PC are dual booting with Windows 10 and ElementaryOS.

ARM based Mac, we will see. From looks of it, inability of running Windows and x86 based Linux distribution is real breaker, hence I rushed purchased 2020 MacBook Air.

I buy iPhone only because it works well with MacOS and its design.
 
mrcloaked said:
The mall argument doesn’t hold up because people don’t need to move their house to consume products from another mall. Think about it, chief.
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It holds up perfectly. How the goods are obtained is irrelevant. And I’m not your “chief”.

The point was not about that, it was about the vendor and goods. Again, quit introducing new variables.
 
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JPack said:
I wonder if Apple lawyers will drop the case related to the pear logo. They've got plenty of work for the next few years.
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Will show how much Apple has influence due to their wealth...the pear logo looks like it complies to the rules about resembling other logos (if I remember correctly). The rules might have changed since I worked at a graphics company and designing logos many moons ago. The Pear Logo really does not "look" like a copy unless you put it next to the Apple logo and then you see "some" similarities. I don't see what the fuse is with Apple about it. Apple does not have a monopoly on fruits as logos. Be interesting to see what happens in this case.

Also, like the "Big Brother" Picture. Apple indeed has become what they were criticizing against and used as a marketing tactic in their beginnings. Apple is now "IBM". Shame..
 
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As much as I like Epic Games for UE and their free games policy, this whole thing is just hilarious. I mean have anyone looked into the file suit? It mainly accuses Apple of being a monopoly of iOS apps distribution, iOS OS, etc. Like no **** sherlock, you basically have control of the operating system and platform you created, how is that a monopoly? This is akin to a music label filing lawsuits against Spotify because it's a monopoly that controls all the songs they can upload in their platform, and controls the percentage of benefits Spotify gets from the songs.
 
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You’re not exactly the star debater you positioned yourself as. All I got was a “you’re wrong, that’s irrelevant!”

If the goods you can purchase in that mall are only to be consumed within that ecosystem, locking you into that “world” that you grow to rely on for daily living, it absolutely is relevant.

There is no straw man here, there is only you missing a key difference with that metaphor.
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Again, new variables. Here’s the original quote: “If most of your target customers are on the iPhone, and want to help those customers, then you can't just force them to switch to Android.”

Now, where’s the act of consumption there?

Thus is talking about target customers and inability for force them to use a new vendor.

So far, you’ve introduced “planets” and “consumption” - neither concepts in the original argument.

It’s easy to think your making a point when you try to introduce new variables, then point to those variables and go “a-ha!”.

Since all you’ve done is this in leaving this particular line of questioning with you since I can’t be bothered to try and debate someone who believes the only way to win is to make the gold posts wider...
 
People here don't seem to realize App Store, Play Store, Sony, Kindle, Microsoft etc all take loads of work to maintain. The give free Unlimited "space" to devs and access to millions of customers. 30% is too high? Seriously??? Go research how much it costs manufactures to put 1 candy bar in a chain retail store. How about 65% cut to sell your e-book on Kindle? Want 30% on Kindle? prepare to jump through hoops.

So why do people pay high fees to sell their wares? simple: access to people is worth more. Having an App Store curate your apps saves you in marketing (also worth more than 30%)

This company has access to 1.4 Billion potential customers that they did not spend a dime to prospect. Other industries would kill for that.
 
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