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Splotify will not let me offer my content at a fair price. I expect to be able to offer my material and be reimbursed $19.99 a play. It's my choice how much I get paid on their platform. If they don't charge enough to cover my costs that's their fault.
You can move to another platform, and the same users can get your music. They won’t have to purchase another device to get your music.
 
But no one is FORCED to buy an iPhone. Consumers that purchase an iPhone should be well aware that the Apple ecosystem is a closed system and all apps have to be purchased and downloaded from the Apple App Store. If a consumer doesn't like that, they are free to purchase a smart phone from a different manufacturer.
And this will be the only argument that Apple can use to defend themselves in court. However, this will not hold water. There are anti-competitive laws that say otherwise.
 
If you don't like a platform rules, then don't put your apps/games on there. It very simple.
The problem with your argument is that the software distribution platform from which you suggest they move their app is the ONLY distribution platform allowed by Apple to exist on iOS. This makes Apple a monopoly, and so they have to comply with the laws that govern monopolies. Whether or not Apple could use the argument that no one is required to buy an iOS device and could buy an Android instead will be tested in court.
 
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You can move to another platform, and the same users can get your music. They won’t have to purchase another device to get your music.

No, the point epic is making is that I have a right to use any platform to sell whatever I want and get 100% of the revenue without incurring any risk or expense.
 
And this will be the only argument that Apple can use to defend themselves in court. However, this will not hold water. There are anti-competitive laws that say otherwise.

Or, alternatively, Apple’s highly expensive legal bods will be just fine...
 
And this will be the only argument that Apple can use to defend themselves in court. However, this will not hold water. There are anti-competitive laws that say otherwise.
I bought my iPhone X with the expectation that Apple controls the App Store 100%. Epic, by circumventing spirit of the App Store damages my experience as a customer because I can’t trust that all IAP are protected by Apple.

I could have purchased an android phone but I paid extra for a curated App Store.
 
But every single iPhone buyer is fully aware that if they buy an iPhone, they have to purchase apps through the Apple App Store. If a consumers doesn't like that, they can purchase a different phone from a different manufacturer. Apple doesn't even come close to have a monopoly on smart phone marketshare.
The monopoly is on the app distribution system. Also, it must be proven in court that every consumer who buys an iOS device realizes that there is only one place to buy apps from. I would posit that the majority of consumers never even had this thought before they bought an iPhone. Finally, this fight is not between the consumer and Apple. This fight is between a service provider and Apple, so the monopoly argument applies to how the service provider is treated on the Apple platform.
 
I bought my iPhone X with the expectation that Apple controls the App Store 100%. Epic, by circumventing spirit of the App Store damages my experience as a customer because I can’t trust that all IAP are protected by Apple.

I could have purchased an android phone but I paid extra for a curated App Store.
If you were the only customer that Apple had, your argument may have helped Apple in court.
 
Problem is they can't because there's no other way to make your app available on iOS.

To be clear, I think it's fine for Apple to decide what can and can't go on the App Store. But equally they shouldn't restrict users from installing apps from outside the app store.

What if those apps are malicious and cause great harm to Apple customers (exposing Apple to great liability), or Apple itself?
 
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I gotta agree with Epic Games and Spotify on this one. Apple’s demands are quite extreme. They need to loosen their policies and stop demanding such a large chunk of the profits. Apple can still make lots of money without being so extreme.

Also, consumers have the right to install software on their own devices, from wherever they please. Can you imagine if Apple started forcing Mac users to only install apps from the Mac App Store? That would be disastrous. Yet that’s exactly what they’ve been getting away with on iOS all this time. It’s a dang shame.

30% is the gold standard. Sony, XBox, Nintendo, GameStop, Microsoft PC Store, etc. Apple is not alone.

Tell me, is it possible to buy games digitally through a different store on a PlayStation?
 
And this will be the only argument that Apple can use to defend themselves in court. However, this will not hold water. There are anti-competitive laws that say otherwise.

Care to name the anticompetitive laws that you consider to be applicable?
 
I disagree. Its more like, a customer comes into a store, says "I need your store to provide a service people are going to pay me for but you don't get anything." That is literally what they are requesting.
Ther is a middle ground between 30% and nothing. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would demand what you claim they are demanding.
 
So far I understood the following.

The US president wants to ban transactions with Tencent, because whatever. Now Epic games (owned 40% by Tencent) starts this fight with both Google and Apple, joined by Spotify, which has a deal with Tencent in China and owns shares of it which in turn owns shares of Spotify.

This fight smells to me as retaliation, showing the weight of Tencent (indirectly) and the ability to rally developers to, at the end of the day, eat into the revenues of Apple and Google's App Store cut. Moreover, the ability to own billing address and information, as opposed to receiving payment by Apple but not having said information, surely plays a role as well.
 
If you were the only customer that Apple had, your argument may have helped Apple in court.

Well... If @4jasontv was the only customer Apple had, they would still hold a monopoly according to your interpretation. Your definition of the market won’t hold water in court.
 
Who should determine the margins a store owner charges if not the store owner?

Maybe US government should plan that a 13% margin is fair and force Apple to change that instead of 30%? Why not have US government also design the UX for the store or technology for the dev tools? Surely something beneficial for all parties will come from that...
If a city only allowed one retailer, that retailer would be under a scrutiny for their excessive margins. Because of the competition among retailers, each retailer can set their margins. The argument that residents could move to another town if they didn’t like to have only one unregulated retailer doesn’t hold water. This is undue hardship on the consumer.
 
Im sorry but fortnite are money takers they have ruined so many kids with that game and use it to make people go broke they are just in it for the money, good on apple for standing its ground, if they dont play by the rules then go away
Apple was fine with Fortnite ruining kids as long as Fortnite was paying Apple a 30% cut. What a great argument you made!
 
If a city only allowed one retailer, that retailer would be under a scrutiny for their excessive margins. Because of the competition among retailers, each retailer can set their margins. The argument that residents could move to another town if they didn’t like to have only one unregulated retailer doesn’t hold water. This is undue hardship on the consumer.

Here's the catch: the desktop/laptop software distribution system does provide more than one store for purchasing digital goods, but the prices for consumers are generally either the same or higher than for mobile. The App Store doesn't actually have a reputation for software prices that are too high. If anything, the criticism is that it doesn't support high enough prices. If you go to web sites that are run by developers for macOS and look at the prices for software, you're not going to see very many $4.99 or lower apps. They're obviously not expecting millions of customers to find their site.
 
I'm sure Epic had consulted with their lawyers before filing this law suit.

How do you know Epic really intends to go to court? They have the option of dropping the lawsuit, so it's possible that the whole thing is being done for publicity.
 
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