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What a surprise that spotify would rather make more money than have to share with Apple! I'm completely flabbergasted!
 
So if a vendor doesn’t accept AmEx, I should sue them to accept my payment method?
If they only accepted 1 type of payment (like how apple does within their app store), maybe your comment would be relevant, but nice try though....
 
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One benefit of paying through stores like Google and Apple is your payment information is kept from the ones you buy from. Which is also one of the reasons I prefer to pay with Paypal.

So it could hurt consumers to have the option for apps that use or even steal data, which is one of the great benefits of buying from Google Play Store and Apple Store. I'd prefer the closed system but can imagine that maybe the commission needs more tiers depending on the popularity or even the number of downloads.
 
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Some of us old timers remember when Microsoft got nailed for bundling IE, and we were all for the punishment meted down on them at the time.

I struggle to see the difference here, but for a lot you, your tune has changed.
Counter point: the Microsoft decision created a precedent. Really think Apple would of made it over a decade without a lawsuit if it was remotely the same situation?
 
Whoa, nice point! You know, it just might work! I’m gonna spend two weeks repurchasing apps, buying all new hardware, changing out all my services, moving all my friends & family to a new messenger, and completely upending my digital life so that I can get fair access to a couple more apps! It’s so simple, just like having two game consoles next to each other!
It’s no one’s fault but the users if they tied themselves to a single ecosystem. I know folks that are minimalist on their phones specifically because they know that first and foremost, the features of the phone is what’s important to them. If a particular Android or iPhone has the feature they want, that’s the one they get (they’ll probably be on that new folding phone just ‘cause). I don’t know MANY people that do that, but it’s an option for folks that have that view as a priority.

For those that don’t, yes, their lives would be upended, BUT, that’s when they do a risk assessment and a cost benefit analysis to determine if that solution is right for them. What they don’t do is ask someone else to resolve the problem they willingly got themselves into. If choice is of first and foremost importance, do the things that make choosing easy.
 
You don’t seem to know the headspace of normal everyday people.
Normal everyday people make decisions they wished they hadn’t and then regret them. That’s pretty much it in a nutshell :) Some of them do something about it to get them out of that position and learn from it, some of them resign themselves to regret the decision forever, doing nothing to change the situation.
 
Some of us old timers remember when Microsoft got nailed for bundling IE, and we were all for the punishment meted down on them at the time.

I struggle to see the difference here, but for a lot you, your tune has changed.
I never cared about the whole IE thing because I had the knowledge to install whatever I wanted. MS's downfall was that they allowed the other browsers to capitalize on the fact that the average person was ignorant of how to install anything else thereby creating a monopoly. I believe competing browsers actually wanted MS to install them with windows and offer a choice during setting up which is completely unrealistic.
 
I'm perfectly okay with Apple having their payment system and even charging 30%. What I have an issue with, and agree with Epic and Spotify on, is that Apple bans even mentioning other ways to pay from inside apps. This is an anticompetitive practice (because Apple isn't losing 30% on their own services they sell) and needs to go.
Consider this: Developer enters free app on the App Store. Unlock features: $9.99 App Store price, Special Price at website $0.99. Customer obviously (I would hope) goes to website where tons of additional options are available for (name your price here). All of which is a free ride on Apple's dime. Don't think for a moment this couldn't become the norm.
 
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My opinion is Apple needs to either allow this to happen or allow users to side-load applications.

I think sideloading opens a whole can of worms with malware and other issues but sometimes the lack of customization with iOS is bothersome.
 
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Consider this: Developer enters free app on the App Store. Unlock features: $9.99 App Store price, Special Price at website $0.99. Customer obviously (I would hope) goes to website where tons of additional options are available for (name your price here). All of which is a free ride on Apple's dime. Don't think for a moment this couldn't become the norm.
So Netflix and Spotify are getting a free ride on Apple’s dime? Why does Apple deserve a cut of an unlock feature?
 
I don't see Apple as a monopoly, my platform my rules. Epic, Spotify, Netflix, and all the others can create a consortium and create their own platform, then release an atomic bomb on iOS and Android by not releasing their games and apps on iOS and Android.
 
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Consider this: Developer enters free app on the App Store. Unlock features: $9.99 App Store price, Special Price at website $0.99. Customer obviously (I would hope) goes to website where tons of additional options are available for (name your price here). All of which is a free ride on Apple's dime. Don't think for a moment this couldn't become the norm.
The solution would be to allow the developer to distribute their free app from their own website and bypass the App Store altogether. Advertise on the internet. App Store not needed. But that isn't possible, is it? Therein lies the problem and the premise for a Monopoly.
 
If Spotify and Epic don’t want to pay the price of admission, then they can do without the Apple app store. They won’t do that, though. They want to come to Apple’s home and demand what Apple does and doesn’t do in their own home.

I just want to say how thankful I am we live in a society with laws and somewhat fair courts and not in the autocratic hell-scape you wish we lived it.
 
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Problem is they can't because there's no other way to make your app available on iOS.

To be clear, I think it's fine for Apple to decide what can and can't go on the App Store. But equally they shouldn't restrict users from installing apps from outside the app store.


The reason this doesn't happen, is for stability of the platform. Most people complain their iPhone doesn't work when a certain app doesn't work, which make the phone and Apple look bad. This is how the iPhone "Just Works." Being able to sideload apps (which should be an option), the user would need to consent that the benefits Apple secures, can no longer be guaranteed. Benefits like security to your banking, credit cards, health, and passwords to other sites/apps.
 
I don't see Apple as a monopoly, my platform my rules. Epic, Spotify, Netflix, and all the others can create a consortium and create their own platform, then release an atomic bomb on iOS and Android by not releasing their games and apps on iOS and Android.


It's like any other store. You walk into a Target or Walmart. The house tons of different companies merchandise. You still pay Target or Walmart. I can't pay Chrissy Teagan directly for my new pan.
 
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For one, it's Apple that created the store for their eco-system. They didn't force people to buy the Mac OS. They can't expect to build a store and not get a kick-back on the profit.

On the other hand, I don't know if 30% is justifiable in terms of kick back due to the benefits they received from Apple.

I don't know who is the more greedy one here.


Would you like your high school to send you a bill for the money you are making as an adult? and your university too? Same thing. They both created an "ecosystem" as you call it.
 
There is a middle ground between 30% and nothing. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would demand what you claim they are demanding.

I agree there is a middle ground. I think Apple actually walks that middle ground better than most app stores, given the 15% after a year policy.
 
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