Spotify Submits iOS App Update With Out-of-App Purchase Options

[wbeasley]

Frankly Apple could just stop downloads of Spotify from here and see how that works out for them...

You dont want to follow the same rules, feel free to not be in the AppStore.
Your choice.

The Spotify customer base would voice their concerns and vote with their wallets.
Perhaps Spotify might focus on features to attract and keep customers then instead of legal battles that seem to be all they do.

 

[wbeasley]

Is Spotify going to finally bring airplay 2 or native HomePod support, even though it has been available to them for years?

to buys lobbying the EU to "assist them" to add features promised. And HighRes music...

 

[xander49x]

I will never use Spotify ever sweeny is a looser who want's a free ride off of Apple hard work.

 

[Jensend]

Saying this while paying so bad to artists (music side) is wild.

And Apple thinks artists should get an even smaller cut. If I subscribe to an artist/musician through the Twitch website, they get a 50% to 70% cut. If I purchase through the App Store app, the artists get between a 38% and 53% cut.

 

[Stuwil]

My question to Spotify is, can I listen to music on your platform and just pay the artist / publisher of the song and not you?

Alright
Then if that was the case then the publisher would setup a system like that going forward unfortunately that’s not how it’s setup

 

[Stuwil]

I will never use Spotify ever sweeny is a looser who want's a free ride off of Apple hard work.

And what is Apple’s hard work in relation to the App Store
How do they put hard work into it to make it successful & I’m not talking about hardware getting sold each year

 

[Jensend]

Is it really fair that Apple now has to host apps for free? Building and running huge data centers costs a lot of money. I feel like this law went too far.

They already host the Spotify app for free. Maybe they should change to charging a reasonable fee for bandwidth... like maybe a 50% markup on Apple's cost.

 

[bluecoast]

My question to Spotify is, can I listen to music on your platform and just pay the artist / publisher of the song and not you?

Bandcamp is your friend!

 

[bluecoast]

This. A thousand times this. My kingdom to the tech journalist who asks Spotify’s CEO that question.

Spotify - and epic - are not nice companies. But it still doesn’t mean that they were wrong in calling out Apple.

(BTW, I think a lot of the problem with artists not getting their fair due isn’t just Spotify, but the terms that that record companies pay out their artists at).

 

[Jensend]

Spotify - and epic - are not nice companies. But it still doesn’t mean that they were wrong in calling out Apple.

(BTW, I think a lot of the problem with artists not getting their fair due isn’t just Spotify, but the terms that that record companies pay out their artists at).

Yup. Spotify pays artists about the same amount as Apple Music for similar service levels. It's funny that people think that Apple is voluntarily paying artists more than other streaming services do.

 

[andreagrandi]

They are so quick to release updates when it matters... to them

 

[bluecoast]

Yup. Spotify pays artists about the same amount as Apple Music for similar service levels. It's funny that people think that Apple is voluntarily paying artists more than other streaming services do.

Tbf to Apple, I think they pay more than Spotify per stream, but Spotify has a larger user base & an ad supported free tier.

So maybe it roughly works out the same for artists - I don’t know !

 

[bluecoast]

They already host the Spotify app for free. Maybe they should change to charging a reasonable fee for bandwidth... like maybe a 50% markup on Apple's cost.

I think Spotify would very happily host their app for free if Apple would let them, but Apple insists on distributing all apps from the App Store.

 

[notsoupyet]

Can use other payment options beyond just Apple's payment system--we provide a wider range of options on our website;

Means they added the Apple IAP back, in addition to the payment options on their website?

 

[kiv.atso]

Surely, this means that Spotify will stop fleecing the artists and start paying higher royalties, right? Wrong

 

[bluecoast]

Cute try, but not even close to being the same thing. Should Apple get a percentage of every purchase you make on the Amazon app or literally any app where someone buys something? A percentage of a deposit you make using your banking app? How are Amazon and Spotify (or any e-commerce app) different? Aren't they all using Apple's "platform", their "ecosystem"?

Spotify provides a service that uses Spotify servers that Spotify runs using media they license and pay for. Apple provides hardware, which they already get paid for and an operating system, which they license with the hardware. They force users to download apps (needed to use the hardware) from their App Store. One might conclude the high price of the hardware includes the use of the App Store. After that, Apple is done. They got paid for their part.

Maybe MS should get a percentage of every online purchase made on a Windows computer? It's ridiculous.

Exactly.

Apple gets a rumoured 40% or so profit on their hardware.

Then a rumoured 90% profit on iCloud storage - because everyone needs to at least pay up for the 50GB package because of the free 5Gb.

So at this point, Apple is making very nice profits on every iPhone that they sell.

But oh no, that’s not enough for them. They want to have 15-30% on all transactions that happen in third party apps, forever more.

That’s just greed with an ugly sense of entitlement on top. If anyone here is thinking that they’re doing this for their users, they are not. They’re doing it for themselves.

And they’re so greedy that one of their execs was prepared to lie under oath in court to protect this & Apple had every chance to correct this lie and never did.

And as I’ve said elsewhere in these forums, their developers must now hate their guts and at the first sign of Apple stumbling - ahem the Vision Pro - you just know that they’ll desert Apple. And Apple will deserve it.

 

[racerhomie]

Where is AirPlay 2 Spotify?

 

[Jensend]

Tbf to Apple, I think they pay more than Spotify per stream, but Spotify has a larger user base & an ad supported free tier.

So maybe it roughly works out the same for artists - I don’t know !

Spotify is used proportionately more in countries where subscription prices are cheaper. Their users also listen to more streams per month than Apple users, so that means less money per song. And, like you said, they have a free tier.

If you were to compare, say, one month of a $10 subscription (or whatever it is now) from an American listener, each service would pay the rights holders the same total dollar amount (or very close to it).

 

[robvalentine]

Will we be able to buy audiobooks outside of Spotify without providing them commission and have them host it and play it through Spotify? Or will Spotify demand a cut for this?

Very poor analogy as you are renting the content from Spotify where as with apps you aren't renting them from apple outside of apple arcade.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

Yup. Spotify pays artists about the same amount as Apple Music for similar service levels. It's funny that people think that Apple is voluntarily paying artists more than other streaming services do.

The funniest part of that is people being naive enough to think that the major record labels are just sitting by while Spotify pay half for their artists than the rest do.

When UMG didn't think they were getting what they wanted from TikTok they just pulled their catalogue and TikTok folded.

 

[mrgrdn]

Daniel Ek is one of the worst out there. I would never go back any day to Spotify

 

[MacBirdy]

I think Spotify would very happily host their app for free if Apple would let them, but Apple insists on distributing all apps from the App Store.

They can already do that if they just make a web app.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

Is it really fair that Apple now has to host apps for free? Building and running huge data centers costs a lot of money. I feel like this law went too far.

They don't give anybody any choice.

I own two Apple devices a Macbook Pro and an iPhone (and a pair of airpods) i have Spotify installed on both. One of them I went to Spotify's website and downloaded it.

Apple has decided they don't want to allow that with iOS.

 

[theluggage]

Will we be able to buy audiobooks outside of Spotify without providing them commission and have them host it and play it through Spotify? Or will Spotify demand a cut for this?

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EDIT - Didn’t read your post properly - just take that as a “like”.

Yeah, the ruling is roughly equivalent to telling Walmart that they have to ler people take goods and pay Target instead.

 

[macabrumorsab]

If Apple was taking a 30% commish - does this mean by using the external payment method, customers will see a 30% price reduction?

Probably not - because both of these companies don’t actually care about us or our experience, they simply use us as pawns for their own gain.

This only means that the 30% stay with the company which deserves it and can improve the software. The 30% in Apple accounts does not help the software company and its competitiveness which is what I prefer as someone who buys that product.