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Do you guys think the ION-X Glass is similar to hardened mineral glass?
Hardened glass is basically a glass pane that has tensions in the material deliberately introduced into it. This increases the strength of the material radically, but also makes it brittle; when the pane is damaged it immediately shatters completely into small irregular fragments.

This is actually a boon in most cases by the way, as it's a lot harder to cut yourself on those small fragments than the large, jagged (often dagger-shaped) shards produced by regular glass.

Car side and rear windows are typically made of hardened glass. The windscreen is two sheets of regular glass, laminated together with a sheet of transparent polymer material. This is because it would be very dangerous if your windscreen was to shatter and fragment while you're driving, making it nearly impossible to see through it. Glass could also come flying into the face of driver or passenger, causing cuts or eye injury.

Laminated windscreens are incredibly strong by the way. If you were to crash and not wear a seatbelt, you're very likely to crack your skull from the impact, especially as the glass is glued - for increased rigidity - to the structural frame of the vehicle itself in modern cars... The glass is not going to give, so something else has to. :p

Upon further research, it appears Ion-X glass is made using alumina silica glass, which is what Gorilla Glass is also made from.
It very likely IS gorilla glass, and Apple simply deliberately avoiding to mention the trademark name...
 
Decisions, Decisions. I work in an office so I'm not going to expose the watch to many harsh conditions, but one never knows.....I am also torn because I really like the look of the space grey aluminum, i also love the stainless steels mirror finish.....ugh

I think the mirror finish looks better in Apple's images as opposed to real life photos - all the ones I've seen just end up bespeckled with fingerprints.

The SG aluminium does look very nice, but I think then you're quite limited with band choice. Obviously the normal aluminium goes well with all the Sport bands, but I think it could look OK with some of the more premium straps (would have to look at them in real life first though).
 
....It very likely IS gorilla glass, and Apple simply deliberately avoiding to mention the trademark name...
Yes, it's fairly common knowledge that Apple has used Corning as the glass supplier since the original iPhone. Look at the near panic mode Corning went into last year when Apple was actively working on sapphire for the iPhone 6.

I think the mirror finish looks better in Apple's images as opposed to real life photos - all the ones I've seen just end up bespeckled with fingerprints.

The SG aluminium does look very nice, but I think then you're quite limited with band choice. Obviously the normal aluminium goes well with all the Sport bands, but I think it could look OK with some of the more premium straps (would have to look at them in real life first though).

I also kinda of prefer the brushed aluminum finish over the polished SS. I also dislike metal bracelets so I may get a Sport and a Leather loop strap which will will match fine.
 
I think the mirror finish looks better in Apple's images as opposed to real life photos - all the ones I've seen just end up bespeckled with fingerprints.

The SG aluminium does look very nice, but I think then you're quite limited with band choice. Obviously the normal aluminium goes well with all the Sport bands, but I think it could look OK with some of the more premium straps (would have to look at them in real life first though).

I keep going through "Real-Life" pictures of each watch to get a better idea of what it will look like. Apples Promo Images always look nice....
 
Brace yourselves. I have made a decision.

I'm going for the SS with Milanese loop.

Here's why.

Apple's pictures are really deceptive. You need to see the thing in real life. As I want to order on 10th April I can't do that. So I'be been trawling the Internet for photos and videos.

Turns out I don't like the Sport in space grey. But the silver aluminium Sports look great. Except the coloured straps are ridiculous. So you have to pay for a black Sports band.

And then you worry about screens and backs and sapphire and ceramic and composite and so on. And lack of strap options if you fancy a change.

And if you're doing Sport plus extra strap you're halfway to the price of the SS with black strap.

But the black rubber/plastic strap is, well, cheap-looking and a dirt magnet. And I'm paying £519 for it.

So then I started looking at straps. Not Apple's renders but actual photos. Wow! The black leather loop is nice. Decision made.

Oh. Wait. You have to choose a strap size. My wrists fall right between the two. I either get a strap that's only just big enough. Or one that's way too big.

Back to the drawing board. Ooh! The Milanese strap is classy. It looks good in photos. And there's only one strap size! I figure it will last longer than the leather. And it won't stain. Plus the open weave means your skin can breathe and won't get sweaty.

So that's the one I'm getting. For £599 I want something that looks and feels expensive. The Sport is cheaper -- and looks it.

And because I'll have the SS I'll have the option to buy other straps in the future. I also think it'll be easier to sell if I want the Apple Watch 2.

My mind's made up! Hurrah. No changes!

PS Why not the link bracelet? I'm not spending over £600.
 
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I'd love to get the black SS but I just can't see paying that much for a watch that will have a second version in all likelihood in 1-2 years, IMO.

I'd love the black SS as well; but like you mentioned, $1049+ seems like a lot for something that will be updated within the next 1-2 years.

...normally I wouldn't have an issue paying $1000+ for a watch; but my brain just can't see the Apple Watch as a "watch", it sees it as an gadget/appliance that may be obsolete in about 4 years.

I'm personally still debating between the Pebble Time Steel (which I'm currently backing on Kickstarter) and the Apple Watch - I have a feeling I'm going to cancel my pledge and just go with the Apple Watch though.

Assuming I go with the Apple Watch, it'll be the Space Grey Sport Watch and a modern buckle - which falls in the $600 range I had planned to spend on the gadget.

...at the same time I'm hearing little voices in my head telling me to spend $150 more on the SS Watch with the blue modern buckle. So confusing, who knew such decisions could be so challenging :rolleyes:
 
I would like to ask those of you who already got their hands on the apple watch, which one is the best one to buy. I understand the hardware differences, weight, durability, aluminium vs SS and glass vs sapphire. I saw a few comments of users stating that the sport version is "cheap looking". Is SS worth the extra money considering that exact same functionality?
 
Horses for courses. Both have their ups and downs.

Sport:

+Cheaper
+Less likely to scratch casing
+Lighter
+Easier to read in sunlight
-More likely going to scratch glass
-Less choice in bands *unless you purchase extra

SS:
+Glass is much more scratch resistant
+More choice in straps
-More expensive
-Heavier
-More reflective
-SS is likely to scratch
+Scratches can be buffed out, unlike the aluminium

Then there's just the purely cosmetic stuff. Do you prefer shiny or matte? Plastic or leather straps?
 
If you're going for just utility, I'd just grab a Sport watch with a BSB or GSB - those are shipping out the fastest. You can always find a fancier strap and swap it out at a later date.

The Sport isn't particularly dressy though, and while I admit the display pops more, I still chose the SS because it just feels like a more rugged build. If the $200 premium isn't worth it to you, the Sport is more than good enough.
 
Sport:

+Cheaper
+Less likely to scratch casing
+Lighter
+Easier to read in sunlight
-More likely going to scratch glass
-Less choice in bands *unless you purchase extra

SS:
+Glass is much more scratch resistant
+More choice in straps
-More expensive
-Heavier
-More reflective
-SS is likely to scratch
+Scratches can be buffed out, unlike the aluminium

I think beyond the items you list, the fracture toughness (roughly describable as the amount of energy required propagate a crack and end up with multiple pieces) of sapphire is likely higher than the glass. The issue is muddled a little because I don't know exactly the specs of this new glass they're using, but typically you'd expect sapphire to have a 3 or 4 to 1 advantage in toughness (Corning may disagree).

I'm not really worried about the hardness of the face material. The sapphire face will be pretty much un-scratchable under normal conditions, unless you take your diamond ring to it or rub it with corundum-studded sandpaper. The glass face, while not as hard, should also be pretty resistant to scratches unless it contacts something like hardened steel.

Right now I have two of the Sport models ordered on my account. Given the internals are the same, from the $359 entry level to the $17,000 premium model, my current thinking is that I'll buy the low cost model, with the expectation that this will be a purchase that's repeated every few years as new models with irresistibly "magical" features are released.

Aesthetically, I'm perfectly happy with the pellet-blasted anodized aluminum appearance. The only sticking point for me is the thought of accidentally dropping the watch on a hard floor surface. That's where the fracture toughness of glass v. sapphire kicks in.

From a sustainability point of view, it would have been awesome if Apple had indicated a future roadmap for swapping out the internals of the watch as new features become available. If that had been indicated, I would be much happier shelling out for higher quality materials for the watch housing, knowing that the product would have a reasonably long useful lifespan.
 
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Thank you for reply and your valued opinion. The type of environment I work in requires me to wear business attire every day of the week, so I'm concerned that I may look pretty stupid wearing a suit and the sport watch. On the other hand the utility is the main aspect I'm interested into. So while I'm more inclined to go for the sport based on the money/value ratio, I'm afraid to regret it. Here in Europe AW is A LOT more expensive that in the U.S. With the money I will pay for the sport here I could almost buy the SS In the U.S.! So converted to dollars the prices are 525 for the Sport and 800$ for the SS ( both 42, 38 is out of question! :) )
 
If you're not worried about waiting a few months, get the Space Gray sport with black band. Won't stick out like a sore thumb by having the brighter aluminum and "neon" band.
 
I had the sport for 2 days but didn't like the purplish look of the space grey under certain light or the rubber band. Attempting to spruce it up with a leather loop was going to be another 150, so ordering the SS for a bit more and gaining the benefits of sapphire was a no brainer for me. (i dont mind waiting)
 
I think beyond the items you list, the fracture toughness (roughly describable as the amount of energy required propagate a crack and end up with multiple pieces) of sapphire is likely higher than the glass. The issue is muddled a little because I don't know exactly the specs of this new glass they're using, but typically you'd expect sapphire to have a 3 or 4 to 1 advantage in toughness (Corning may disagree).

Actually, it will be the opposite. Sapphire will be far less likely to scratch than the sport, but the sport will be less likely to crack than the sapphire.

The sport should be better for impact resistance, but not scratching.
 
Placed my order for the SS one! Thank you all

Good choice. When you mentioned you would be wearing it mostly in a business context, it's a no-brainer – stainless steel for sure. Which band did you choose?
 
Actually, it will be the opposite. Sapphire will be far less likely to scratch than the sport, but the sport will be less likely to crack than the sapphire.

The sport should be better for impact resistance, but not scratching.

I don't think the statements I've bolded there are accurate.

Apple's own marketing spin about Ion-X glass gives only nebulous quantitative information: "five times stronger than regular glass" (emphasis mine). Okay, well here Apple is kind of using "stronger" in a common vernacular way, so who knows exactly what they mean. Are they talking compressive strength (which would make the most sense for a ceramic) or tensile strength or yield strength? They could even be kind of messily referring to something other than strength like impact toughness or fracture toughness, who knows? (This kind of sloppy language drives materials engineers up the wall). But in any case, they're comparing against "regular" glass, whatever they happen to define that to be. Doesn't mean a whole lot.

Now as a starting point for a real comparison of fracture resistance, Corning's specifications on fracture toughness of Gorilla Glass is 0.7 MPa*m^(0.5). Source is Corning's own spec sheet. I don't have access to information about Apple's Ion-X glass (I don't know who actually manufacturers it for them), but it's glass and is going to have properties in the ballpark of Gorilla Glass.

Ion-X is an aluminosilicate glass. Again, I don't know who makes it, but aluminosilicate glasses are not a new thing. Corning itself makes a aluminosilicate product (Corning 1720) that has a fracture toughness of 0.96 MPa*m^(0.5). Source on that is a ceramics engineering textbook by Carter and Norton. So let's say maybe that's closer to the toughness performance of this Ion-X.

Now, let's talk about sapphire. Sapphire is single crystal alumina. According to a materials properties database package I have (produced by Granta), alumna's fracture toughness range is 3.003–4.368 ksi*in^(0.5). I did the back-of-the envelop conversion of the weirdo imperial units to metric, and here's what I got (feel free to check my math)

Gorilla Glass: 0.7 MPa*m^(0.5)
Corning 1720 aluminosilicate glass: 0.96 MPa*m^(0.5)
sapphire: 3.3–4.8 MPa*m^(0.5)

So, I'm pretty sure the resistant to crack formation/propagation is going to be 3 or 4 times greater for the sapphire face.

Now, there are other things to think about when it comes to the real-world shatter-resistance of a piece of material, but I think they favor sapphire. For instance, a small imperfection can serve as the nucleation point for a growing crack. Small nicks and scratches that you get through everyday use could potentially act as those nucleation points. The energy level at the apex of those sharp little imperfects is very high, and it doesn't take as much energy to start propagating the crack forward from that point (it's almost like a zipper moving through the material). Sapphire, which is harder to scratch, isn't as likely to have those tiny little cracks that can suddenly propagate upon a sharp impact.

I'm willing to revise my opinion if it turns out Apple's glass manufacturer has revolutionized the industry with a out-of-this-world product. Otherwise I'm pretty sure you'll find that the glass product is going to be more prone to shatter.

It seems to me that the real advantage of the Ion-X glass is that it has been hardened to reduce scratching (compared to regular glass). Apple makes passing mention that it has good impact properties, but compared to what? I firmly believe they're still comparing it to the toughness of "regular" glass (as they do throughout the entire paragraph), and not sapphire. Because it doesn't come close to the fracture toughness of sapphire.

I'd bet an ice cream sundae that sapphire has superior properties in both shatter resistance and scratching.

For the record, I am a Ph.D. materials scientist, but I am not a ceramicist. So I'm definitely willing to be schooled here if I'm off-track!
 
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Thank you for reply and your valued opinion. The type of environment I work in requires me to wear business attire every day of the week, so I'm concerned that I may look pretty stupid wearing a suit and the sport watch. On the other hand the utility is the main aspect I'm interested into. So while I'm more inclined to go for the sport based on the money/value ratio, I'm afraid to regret it. Here in Europe AW is A LOT more expensive that in the U.S. With the money I will pay for the sport here I could almost buy the SS In the U.S.! So converted to dollars the prices are 525 for the Sport and 800$ for the SS ( both 42, 38 is out of question! :) )

Given your work environment I would caution very heavily against the Sport version. I have the SS and my good friend has the sport. Don't have the heart to tell him, since he just paid for it and all, but his looks like a toy or a gadget, whereas the SS looks like an actual watch. I didn't think the difference would be so noticeable but it certainly is.

Also, while the ion-X glass won't shatter as easily, I don't think that's very valuable to many watch wearers, since the watch is… you know… strapped to your body. I've accidentally rubbed my watch against all sorts of corners and edges the last few days and not a scratch to be had.
 
I don't think the statements I've bolded there are accurate.

Apple's own marketing spin about Ion-X glass gives only nebulous quantitative information: "five times stronger than regular glass" (emphasis mine). Okay, well here Apple is kind of using "stronger" in a common vernacular way, so who knows exactly what they mean. Are they talking compressive strength (which would make the most sense for a ceramic) or tensile strength or yield strength? They could even be kind of messily referring to something other than strength like impact toughness or fracture toughness, who knows? (This kind of sloppy language drives materials engineers up the wall). But in any case, they're comparing against "regular" glass, whatever they happen to define that to be. Doesn't mean a whole lot.

Now as a starting point for a real comparison of fracture resistance, Corning's specifications on fracture toughness of Gorilla Glass is 0.7 MPa*m^(0.5). Source is Corning's own spec sheet. I don't have access to information about Apple's Ion-X glass (I don't know who actually manufacturers it for them), but it's glass and is going to have properties in the ballpark of Gorilla Glass.

Ion-X is an aluminosilicate glass. Again, I don't know who makes it, but aluminosilicate glasses are not a new thing. Corning itself makes a aluminosilicate product (Corning 1720) that has a fracture toughness of 0.96 MPa*m^(0.5). Source on that is a ceramics engineering textbook by Carter and Norton. So let's say maybe that's closer to the toughness performance of this Ion-X.

Now, let's talk about sapphire. Sapphire is single crystal alumina. According to a materials properties database package I have (produced by Granta), alumna's fracture toughness range is 3.003–4.368 ksi*in^(0.5). I did the back-of-the envelop conversion of the weirdo imperial units to metric, and here's what I got (feel free to check my math)

Gorilla Glass: 0.7 MPa*m^(0.5)
Corning 1720 aluminosilicate glass: 0.96 MPa*m^(0.5)
sapphire: 3.3–4.8 MPa*m^(0.5)

So, I'm pretty sure the resistant to crack formation/propagation is going to be 3 or 4 times greater for the sapphire face.

Now, there are other things to think about when it comes to the real-world shatter-resistance of a piece of material, but I think they favor sapphire. For instance, a small imperfection can serve as the nucleation point for a growing crack. Small nicks and scratches that you get through everyday use could potentially act as those nucleation points. The energy level at the apex of those sharp little imperfects is very high, and it doesn't take as much energy to start propagating the crack forward from that point (it's almost like a zipper moving through the material). Sapphire, which is harder to scratch, isn't as likely to have those tiny little cracks that can suddenly propagate upon a sharp impact.

I'm willing to revise my opinion if it turns out Apple's glass manufacturer has revolutionized the industry with a out-of-this-world product. Otherwise I'm pretty sure you'll find that the glass product is going to be more prone to shatter.

It seems to me that the real advantage of the Ion-X glass is that it has been hardened to reduce scratching (compared to regular glass). Apple makes passing mention that it has good impact properties, but compared to what? I firmly believe they're still comparing it to the toughness of "regular" glass (as they do throughout the entire paragraph), and not sapphire. Because it doesn't come close to the fracture toughness of sapphire.

I'd bet an ice cream sundae that sapphire has superior properties in both shatter resistance and scratching.

For the record, I am a Ph.D. materials scientist, but I am not a ceramicist. So I'm definitely willing to be schooled here if I'm off-track!

You can spout all the numbers you want (and comparing ion x to a version of gorilla glass is mute - you don't know the numbers, or whether ion x is stronger/weaker than this).

It is pretty well known that sapphire will crack easier than even gorilla glass under most circumstances. Search around - you will see many articles/videos testing/reporting on this. It is a balance between scratch resistance and shatter resistance. For most people on a watch, scratch resistance is probably going to be preferable.

If you are a PhD/Postdoc/whatever, you should know that using the figures from a completely different product to prove an argument is fruitless.
 
I also work in a business environment. However, being that this is the first generation, I opted for the Sports watch. 1) It's cheaper; 2) Both my wife and I actually liked the matte look of the aluminum over the stainless steel

I ordered the Sport with the blue band as it was available to ship the earliest. I've had it since last Friday, and I love it. I also purchased AppleCare+ for it.

I've also ordered a separate band, the brown leather loop, which will be delivered sometime in June. I'll use that band mostly for work to dress it up, and the sport band for exercise.

In all fairness, I will probably buy the SS model next year or the year after, but I just figured for a first generation product, the Sport and its lower price tag would suit me well.
 
You can spout all the numbers you want (and comparing ion x to a version of gorilla glass is mute - you don't know the numbers, or whether ion x is stronger/weaker than this).

It is pretty well known that sapphire will crack easier than even gorilla glass under most circumstances. Search around - you will see many articles/videos testing/reporting on this. It is a balance between scratch resistance and shatter resistance. For most people on a watch, scratch resistance is probably going to be preferable.

If you are a PhD/Postdoc/whatever, you should know that using the figures from a completely different product to prove an argument is fruitless.

I'm not seeking to "prove" anything. I have a hypothesis that I am supporting with the best available data and reasoning at my disposal.

Other than Apple buzz marketing, neither you nor I have any idea about the specific numerical property values of Ion-X. So, in the absense of that, I'm using the best available data of similar products, with the stated caveat that they are not identical.

If you're argument is I can't do that, well I disagree. If I want to compare the properties of two things — say, the Young's modulus of gelatin and saltine crackers, I can make some broad characterization that serve as a reasonable starting point for a hypothesis. Yes, there are different brands of gelatin and crackers out there and they'll have different moduli, but there will be a range of property values that can still be reasonably established. There's a whole field of materials research dealing with evaluating and classifying properties. Properties within a family have ranges but tend to group together. They make very pretty bubble plots.

Now, I'm open to the idea that this new glass apple is using (which may very well be an existing familiar product that they are branding with this new moniker) could be a very good glass in terms of toughness. Maybe it's even the best, toughest glass on the market. But even still, the hurdle in property magnitude that would have to be crossed to reach the toughness of sapphire is pretty big.

The testing you mention of sapphire's brittleness, at least the ones I've seen, reference studies done by Corning (the manufacturer of Gorilla Glass). Corning itself focuses mostly on the advantages of its lower weight and lower cost. Their strength of materials results...are a little less clear, and are definitely stated with a little less bravado. I'm not saying the tests are invalid, but I'm also going to point out that Corning is not an independent, impartial party in this discussion. Their results have been filtered through various levels of corporate hierarchy before they were churned out as a marketing document. Again, they could be spot on, but this is not a peer-reviewed study. There's generally a lot of hand-waving and misdirection (coincidentally, Apple does this as well as any other company out there). It's basic entrepreneural strategy — you amplify and magnify the strengths, and you soft pedal and obscure the weaknesses.

Corning exec is quoted: "What would people say if someone invented a cover that was about half the weight, used 99 percent less energy to make, provided brighter displays, and cost less than a tenth of sapphire? I think they’d say that sapphire was in real trouble."

Okay, so those are the real advantages of glass. The ones the leading glass manufacturer used as the "elevator speech" talking points.

Now what do they have to say about the durability of the material? From the same Corning press release: " In one of our commonly accepted strength tests, sapphire breaks more easily than Gorilla Glass after the same simulated use. Additionally, sapphire’s cost and environmental hit are huge issues."

There's a big change in surety there. In "one test" of simulated usage, with conditions defined by the biggest glass producer out there, they were able to get the sapphire to break first. Huh. That's interesting. Also, a shift in focus back to the other established advantages of glass, which they are confident about and don't want you to forget about.

I can tell you that when you're doing a testing protocol, you can almost always find at least one run, or one specific condition, where you can get the result that's "desirable." Industries use this kind of behavior all the time. It is much closer aligned to what the marketing department needs.

So, with all that said, who's right? I don't know. My point wasn't to prove right or wrong, it was to provide the best evidence I have for my hypothesis. Take it or leave it. I guess maybe somewhere down the line, there will be some data about incidence rates of Apple Watch faces shattering, and the debate can be revisited!

And hey, if it means anything, I will probably buy the Sport edition! I'm betting it wouldn't fare a drop as well, but I'm willing to bet with my dollars that it will hold up just fine if it's cared for.
 
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I had the sport for 2 days but didn't like the purplish look of the space grey under certain light

Thanks for pointing this out. I hated that about my midnight blue Nexus 6. Under certain conditions, it almost looked purple.

Anyway, I canceled my 42mm SG BSB and bought a 42mm Sport wtih the GSB.
 
Those of you that have tried the SS and sport. Which one seems more practical? I am thinking I getting one, but I don't know if the SS is worth the premium you have to pay.
 
Apple Watch Vs Apple Watch Sport: I can't decide

Ok



Aluminium is a light silver which doesn't go with any of the metal straps as they are all made of stainless steel



The Stainless steel goes with every strap including the sports bands



Stainless steel looks duller and shinier - more classy



Also, somewhat unreported, is that the sports watch connects to the strap horizontally whereas the stainless steel watch connects pointing down which is a better grip and more comfortable for most people



Best Rgds
 
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