Standard iPhone 15 Models to Lack ProMotion and Always-On Display Features

[The Game 161]

As expected

 

[hans1972]

Apple gets away treating customers with contempt because the Apple fans just keeps buying what they put out and believe the marketing and promo materials, without even a thought of questioning it. There customers are being taken for a ride so easily that Apple profits are high. Ironically, these very customers are doing a diservice to Apple and to future Apple innovation.

You forgot something. The alternative is using Android which would by many of us be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Wanted797]

Then again 90%, probably more, of all iPhones are essentially glorified TikTok machines these days

Did 90% of ALL phones are glorified TikTok machines.

There is very small number of people like use who know phones specs. Most people either do not know. Or do not care.

 

[compwiz1202]

I’m always surprised by how many people don’t understand basic merchandizing.

Spaceballs: The Breakfast Cereal!

 

[steve09090]

They’re not pro features just because Apple pretends they are.

They are only available on the top tier phones. People expect too much..

Can you explain in your opinion, what features you would not have on a lower price point that would be on the Pro model?

 

[steve09090]

It’s more that some of those “Pro“ features are now industry standards.

They’re only standards in top tier phones. For example, the Pixel Pro has 120GHz display, the Pixel 7 does NOT.

Can you provide examples, that show a 'standard' where what you say is true? Because I refute your comment as either mistaken or simply "false commentary".

With this sort of argument the regular iPhone would be equivalent to what was launched in 2007

It's hard to argue a point when what you’re saying is blatantly, and obviously false.

What’s “Pro” about AoD and ProMotion? These are features are cheap Android phones and have been around for years on Android devices. This is Apple being Tim Cook’s penny pinching Apple.

As above, they are NOT standards on cheap Android phones. The Pixel 7 (not cheap) doesn’t have it when the Pixel 7 Pro does!

This is now becoming equivalent to Apple branding 5G as a Pro feature. Standard, non-flagship phones from multiple Android vendors ship with VRR screens at price points way below Apple.

What features would you NOT include on a non pro (cheaper phone)?

If people are going to make claims and say things like "Standard" and "Cheap Android have these", at least back it up with examples of phones, showing it as a standard, otherwise it is just sour grapes hating on Apple for petty reasons.

 

[SmugMaverick]

They’re only standards in top tier phones. For example, the Pixel Pro has 120GHz display, the Pixel 7 does NOT.

Can you provide examples, that show a 'standard' where what you say is true? Because I refute your comment as either mistaken or simply "false commentary".


It's hard to argue a point when what you’re saying is blatantly, and obviously false.


As above, they are NOT standards on cheap Android phones. The Pixel 7 (not cheap) doesn’t have it when the Pixel 7 Pro does!

The pixel 7 is $499(normally $599) on sale now and has a 90hz display, as do a ’most low-mid range devices.

90hz is the minimum you should be getting on a $800 phone in 2023.

it’s not a pro feature, it’s an industry standard that Apple refuses to allow because they’re GREEDY.

It’s disgusting

 

[SmugMaverick]

They are only available on the top tier phones. People expect too much.. Waa-waa is not a good reason to include every function on every phone for every price point.

Can you explain in your opinion, what features you would not have on a lower price point that would be on the Pro model?

Wrong again.

They’re available on nearly every mid range phone.

Pixel 7
Galaxy S23
Oneplus

Etc etc etc all have 90-120hz displays and AoD.

Just stop it’s embarrassing

 

[PhillyGuy72]

Wow, sorry...I had no intention of getting the standard version - IF I do get the 15 at all TBH.

But seriously Apple...what is this!?? Pure greed and UPSELLING, plain and simple. Give those who just want the standard NON-Pro / Pro Max version this at least. Standard iPhones will be lacking a lot compared to the Pro models...it should be lacking this however.

 

[steve09090]

Wrong again.

They’re available on nearly every mid range phone.

Pixel 7
Galaxy S23
Oneplus

Etc etc etc all have 90-120hz displays and AoD.

Just stop it’s embarrassing

Oh, so is it 90Ghz or 120 Ghz? You’ve just moved the goal post. How is the Pixel 7 a mid range phone! It’s just under the Pixel 7 Pro and it doesn’t have 120 GHz.

You've just mentioned the 3 leaders (and you’re wrong in at least one of them), but you said "nearly every mid range phone". So basically, you've just agreed that it’s not a standard.

It’s not embarrassing for me that you can’t prove your own point.

 

[steve09090]

90hz is the minimum you should be getting on a $800 phone in 2023.

That’s your opinion. I disagree. Most people don’t care in my opinion.

 

[hans1972]

This is now becoming equivalent to Apple branding 5G as a Pro feature. Standard, non-flagship phones from multiple Android vendors ship with VRR screens at price points way below Apple.

Then it's not a problem. Those who value such things for a cheaper price, could just buy these phones.

It's like complaining about expensive hotel rooms when there exists cheaper and better rooms at another hotel.

 

[magicman32]

They really backed themselves into a corner with the "ProMotion" name, didn't they?
Well, the very least they should give 60-90Hz option to the base models. It's truly painful to use a 60Hz phone, once your brain gets used to the fluidity of the 120Hz panels. It doesn't bother me with a monitor, or laptop, but anywhere where you're interacting with touch and scroll a lot (like phones and tablets) it gets tough on the eyes. I never taught it would bother me, because when all we had were 60hz iOS still felt very smooth, but your eyes/brain gets used to the good stuff easily.

Funny but I feel the complete opposite. I find 120 utterly useless on a smaller screen (I have it off completely on my phone for battery reasons and don’t miss it at all), and find it way more noticeable and useful on a larger screen.

 

[steve09090]

Funny but I feel the complete opposite. I find 120 utterly useless on a smaller screen (I have it off completely on my phone for battery reasons and don’t miss it at all), and find it way more noticeable and useful on a larger screen.

I totally agree. I don’t have it on my 12 Pro and obviously do on my iPad Pro M1. I can’t tell the difference and I defy anyone who can actually see it on their phone in normal use. So anyone who 'demands' it on their lower cost iPhone is pushing too hard imo. And if I had a choice I would rather save the money on missing out on something I can’t see. Of course, if you’re a mobile phone 'gamer' then all power to you. I’d rather spend my time outdoors, doing stuff.

This is a good example, showing pro motion in slow motion.

 

[GuruZac]

It’s in the article but people still asking why cheap android phones can have these features while Apple can’t on 800$ phones: Apple can’t make that many screens. The base iPhones sell magnitudes more than any other single phone.

And yet, Apple still charges significantly more for phones with less features, even with massive economies of scale on their side. You can’t have it both ways. Apple charges more for less hardware, period. I’m not saying that’s anything new. But with smartphones beyond maturity and the excitement long gone in the smartphone market, people are less and less inclined to settle for less hardware for more money.

 

[GuruZac]

I totally agree. I don’t have it on my 12 Pro and obviously do on my iPad Pro M1. I can’t tell the difference and I defy anyone who can actually see it on their phone in normal use. So anyone who 'demands' it on their lower cost iPhone is pushing too hard imo. And if I had a choice I would rather save the money on missing out on something I can’t see. Of course, if you’re a mobile phone 'gamer' then all power to you. I’d rather spend my time outdoors, doing stuff.

This is a good example, showing pro motion in slow motion.

I see it. I notice it when I look at my buddy’s 11 Pro Max 60Hz display. Promotion is legit.

 

[steve09090]

And yet, Apple still charges significantly more for phones with less features, even with massive economies of scale on their side. You can’t have it both ways. Apple charges more for less hardware, period. I’m not saying that’s anything new. But with smartphones beyond maturity and the excitement long gone in the smartphone market, people are less and less inclined to settle for less hardware for more money.

Yet they still have a massive market share.

They have a market value of $2.4 Trillion and iPhone makes up 52% of their revenue. So either you are wrong about people being less inclined to settle for less hardware for more money, or you are wrong about having it both ways. Who knew?

I see it. I notice it when I look at my buddy’s 11 Pro Max 60Hz display. Promotion is legit.

Good on you. I can’t, thus I am clearly in the group who would prefer to save a couple of hundred dollars than pay for something I don’t need. I see those who 1) Can see the difference, and 2) care about it so much, are in the minority. Apple would know this, which is why they continue.

Not everyone wants to spend over a thousand dollars for a feature they don’t want, or care about.

 

[LoveToMacRumors]

“Last year's iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models used updated low-power display backlighting that supports ProMotion refresh rates that range from 1Hz to 120Hz.”

Im confused, so iPhone 14 pro 120hz is different than 13 pro?

 

[tipoo]

Even if we don't get 120Hz, it would at least be something if they took advantage of them being LTPO and added variable refresh rates, power savings on static screens and catching framerate drops below 60

 

[steve09090]

“Last year's iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models used updated low-power display backlighting that supports ProMotion refresh rates that range from 1Hz to 120Hz.”

Im confused, so iPhone 14 pro 120hz is different than 13 pro?

I’m guessing the difference is that the iPhone 14 Pro is lower power (with always on display) whilst also able to go up to peak brightness of 1600 nits v 1200 nits. So the 1-120 Hz is the same.

 

[svish]

Looks like Apple will be keeping ProMotion as 'Pro' model feature only.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not at all bothered about the always on display but it’s a bit cheeky of Apple to leave off ProMotion as this is pretty much standard across phones of this high price point. What the hell is their excuse for not providing a 120hz display?!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

People are buying pro model phones over the cheaper ones.

Make if if what you will, in terms of what sort of lesson Apple is taking away here.

Depends what part of the world you are in. The other two options are people have resisted upgrading due to the increasing prices or upgraded with another manufacturer. Not all upgrades are for the Pro all of a sudden as these start at £1100. Sales are decreasing overall across the board.

 

[adrianlondon]

Never had pro-motion, don't know what I'm missing. I'll probably buy the cheapest iPhone 16 to replace my cheapest iPhone 11 when it comes out next year.

My partner, on the other hand, uses his phone much more than me to watch videos, and always buys the pro phones. I do envy the better camera he has on his phone, but as I'm not a professional photographer and just take (good, I think!) holiday photos to show family and friends, my phone's camera is good enough.

I used to have an SLR (Canon) so I do know what a better camera can do, I just don't need it and prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Well, actually I don't, I simply work less than most people instead and happily live on less money.

Apple makes pro and non-pro phones and both are popular to differing degrees. It seems they know what they're doing as I've been buying iPhones for over 10 years. iPhone 3GS, iPhone 5S, iPhone 6S (as I got a very good trade-in for a semi-broken 5S!), iPhone 11. Oh, and a 1st gen iPad mini only because the 3GS couldn't do video calling.

 

[klerb]

Apple's standard iPhone 15 models will not be equipped with an LPTO display, suggesting that the devices will continue to lack ProMotion support and an always-on display option like Apple's Pro models have.

Last year's iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models used updated low-power display backlighting that supports ProMotion refresh rates that range from 1Hz to 120Hz. The refresh rate of the display adapts to what's happening on-screen, with lower rates used for static content and higher rates reserved for motion like games and video for a smoother, more responsive experience.

According to an industry source cited by news aggregator account "yeux1122" on the Korean Naver blog, just like last year, only the Pro models in the iPhone 15 series will be equipped with the LPTO panels required for ProMotion, indicating that the feature will remain exclusive to Apple's higher-end models. From the machine-translated blog post:

If accurate, unfortunately this means that the always-on display option will also remain a Pro-exclusive feature, since it is the 1Hz refresh rate capability of the updated LPTO panels that enables an idle Lock Screen to stay visible without significantly impacting battery.

The Naver blog's industry source corroborates the thinking of respected display analyst Ross Young, who in September 2022 said that while he expects Dynamic Island to feature on all iPhone 15 models, production scale constraints will likely prohibit Apple from bringing LPTO panels to the entire iPhone 15 series.

According to Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple's China-based supplier BOE, which has won orders for the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus, will not have production capacity for mass shipments of LTPO displays for high-end iPhones until 2024 at the earliest.

On the plus side, all iPhone 15 models will be equipped with a more power-efficient OLED display driver chip manufactured based on a 28nm process, compared to 40nm for current models, according to one report. The primary benefit of the 28nm chip would be reduced power consumption, which could contribute to longer battery life for iPhone 15 models.

For the latest rumors about the iPhone 15 lineup, read our roundups linked below.

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"higher rates reserved for motion like games" I audibly laughed. Ive never had an iphone that feels worse for gaming than the iphone 14 pro.