TallRed
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I was watching the House of Windsor a couple of nights ago. The F-bombs used by the royals (including the king of England) would have you guys clutching your pearls and reaching for the fainting couch.
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I was watching the House of Windsor a couple of nights ago. The F-bombs used by the royals (including the king of England) would have you guys clutching your pearls and reaching for the fainting couch.
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
HAAA. I have no problem with swearing. It's just so unlike Star Trek imo (referencing TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY). I'll have to watch this show - "House of Windsor" 😀
iAssimilated
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I will only speak for myself, but it is not the f-bomb that I have a problem with, it is just not Star Trek.
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@BigMcGuire - You beat me too it...lol.
MisterSavage
macrumors 603
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
@MisterSavage beat me to saying I really like your avitar as well. haha. I love the Borg. I've got a Borg license plate and Star Trek stuff on my work desk and home office. 🙂
I just remember the Bill Gates assimilated "gif" early on in the 90s lol.
iAssimilated
Contributor
Thank you both! I was raised on Star Trek. My mother was TOS and I was TNG. The avatar combines my love for Trek as well as my move from being a primarily Linux based household to macOS/iOS. My wife jokes at that point I was "assimilated" by Apple.
And hey, if you still have work to do it looks like going back to Linux wouldn't be an issue 😉
TallRed
macrumors regular
Of course it’s unlike Star Trek. The original show came out in the mid-60s when network standards & practices were much stricter than they are now. Do you think that censoring raw language represented the way people spoke then or in the future? My point was that f-bombs are not an indicator of low intelligence or of low self-control.
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
Swearing is something that didn't happen in previous treks. All of a sudden bringing it out now isn't holding true to Star Trek imo.
F-Bombs aren't usually an indicator of low intelligence. It does show a loose temper in the case of the Admiral - usually positions of leadership require a cool character that isn't easily "tested" - but that's only my opinion.
But swearing in Trek just seems so unlike Trek after spending my whole life watching Trek. I have no problem with swearing.
I would like to think that Humanity advanced far enough into the 24th century to not need to swear, but ... it doesn't bother me. 🙂
TallRed
macrumors regular
I appreciate your position but I don’t think you’re seeing ST in context. Just because ST has been done in a certain way doesn’t mean it always needs to be done that way. Remember that one of the very last episodes of TOS showed the viewers that women couldn’t command starships in spite of there having a female second in command in the pilot. Should the writers of subsequent iterations of ST have held to that sexist position or should they have ignored it and created Kathryn Janeway?
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
I hear you. You got a point there. Your point is valid. It's going to take me a bit getting used to swearing in Trek. As far as a female captain comparison - I see your point. Tho, my opinion that having a female captain is a lot better than adding swearing lol. But I hear you - it doesn't have to remain static.
ruka.snow
macrumors 68000
Loving Seven of Nine and Picard even more. Hating the JL lady, she is so far removed from what trek is about. It is delightful to see that cube come to life, it looks far more imposing than it has done in pervious trek.
But I have to ask, when are the Cylons going to show up? The gritty trek and androids attacking and have done it before... By you command.
But I have to ask, when are the Cylons going to show up? The gritty trek and androids attacking and have done it before... By you command.
ct2k7
macrumors G3
To me, the swearing doesn't feel like it belongs to the ST franchise, and well, Picard itself is detached, and maybe swearing is part of regular parlance in the future. However, it is an adult series, and so it does take liberties of how adults converse.
It's always challenging to know how to write dialog for characters in the past or future, especially the latter. No one really knows how English will be spoken at the end of the 24th century, if it's still in use. So writers tend to compromise by using phrasing (and expletives) that are familiar to today's audiences. Will the F-word exist in several hundred years? No-one can tell, though its origins date far back.
In any case, I'm not terribly bothered by most of the dialog in Picard — I care more about whether the tone and meaning fit with the characters, and they usually do. Picard is certainly quite different from the series that preceded it, but I think Gene Roddenberry would have been pleased.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
As a diehard TNG fan from the past, I'm enjoying it mostly - I'm about at a 7/10 on it right now.
The one takeaway I have at this point is that the show feels "weird"..
It's like we keep watching new episodes but given how many of them there have been, it just doesn't feel like anything has really "happened".
But I think what I'm really picking up on is the lack of depth of things that do happen. It's like we are jumping all over the place and never really settling in to any given context for very long.
I don't know -- the writing just seems a bit off to me overall.
I'm not "not enjoying it" - but nothing about it makes me think much of the ST TNG universe save for a few characters being in the mix I guess?
The one takeaway I have at this point is that the show feels "weird"..
It's like we keep watching new episodes but given how many of them there have been, it just doesn't feel like anything has really "happened".
But I think what I'm really picking up on is the lack of depth of things that do happen. It's like we are jumping all over the place and never really settling in to any given context for very long.
I don't know -- the writing just seems a bit off to me overall.
I'm not "not enjoying it" - but nothing about it makes me think much of the ST TNG universe save for a few characters being in the mix I guess?
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
One other thought - I know this is just part and parcel with what year we are actually now living in, but it's sort of jarring and weird to see people like Picard now using technology that feels like a 50 year jump.
TNG to Picard (The show) is like Windows 3.1 to 8k VR glasses (without the glasses)..
Nothing "wrong" with it, but I do feel like the "showing off" of all the tranluscent holographic screens and interaction tech is really just done for the sake of it and to be showy and it's maybe almost being focused on too much...
I really preferred how much more less "in your face" some of the technology aspects were in TNG and their movies.
...also..
All the hyper futuristic tech is all such a BIZARRE juxtaposition from Rios smoking cigars and everyone on the show getting drunk and the swearing and seemingly needing drinks at so many occasions just to "relax".
What's with all the drinking anyways?
It's a bit of turn off to me.
Also, what happened to synthahol (sp?)?
I have nothing against drinking in 2020, but it just feels like a very unevolved characteristic to be weaving so deeply into people so far in the future and in the context of where TNG was with this aspect.
TNG to Picard (The show) is like Windows 3.1 to 8k VR glasses (without the glasses)..
Nothing "wrong" with it, but I do feel like the "showing off" of all the tranluscent holographic screens and interaction tech is really just done for the sake of it and to be showy and it's maybe almost being focused on too much...
I really preferred how much more less "in your face" some of the technology aspects were in TNG and their movies.
...also..
All the hyper futuristic tech is all such a BIZARRE juxtaposition from Rios smoking cigars and everyone on the show getting drunk and the swearing and seemingly needing drinks at so many occasions just to "relax".
What's with all the drinking anyways?
It's a bit of turn off to me.
Also, what happened to synthahol (sp?)?
I have nothing against drinking in 2020, but it just feels like a very unevolved characteristic to be weaving so deeply into people so far in the future and in the context of where TNG was with this aspect.
JayMysterio
macrumors 68000
Word of note to those of us who don't have access to watching Picard ( legally ), but want to.
https://www.space.com/watch-star-trek-picard-free-patrick-stewart-gift.html
https://www.space.com/watch-star-trek-picard-free-patrick-stewart-gift.html
MisterSavage
macrumors 603
That's a nice deal. I've enjoyed the show a lot but I am cancelling CBS streaming about .00001 seconds after the credits of the finale roll.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
Same...actually, not even waiting. My sub runs through March 29, well past tomorrow's finale, so I just cancelled it now rather than risk forgetting and paying for another month.
D.T.
macrumors G4
iAssimilated
Contributor
I am going to wait long enough to re-watch the entire season... to hold me over until it is released on DVD.
MisterSavage
macrumors 603
I'm not sure I'll be watching the whole series again... but wow I might have another crafty watch of the finale over the weekend.
ruka.snow
macrumors 68000
The holographic tech makes the show look really dated IMO. They have holograms so they can make solid objects yet choose to make bad user interfaces. An attacking enemy can knock out the holoemitters and you're stuffed too. It really looks like someone trying to show of some 'future' tech that is just bad. It would be a lot more impressive to see the TNG panels but show that the controls where dynamic and able to change button configurations on demand or show in someway that they provided tactile feedback to the user.
Picard has a family vineyard where he makes wine so of course people on Earth still drink real alcohol in the 24th century - just not Starfleet officers who are on duty, I suppose. And we still have all the alien species and their intoxicating drinks.
What I found off-putting was seeing Riker's family hunting animals for meat (pizza with "bunnicorn sausage"). No, it was not an emergency survival situation.
My problem with all the holographic controls is they are also doing it on Star Trek Discovery!
It's the same problem they had on Star Trek Enterprise - being careful not to make things too far advanced from TOS. It seems in Discovery, they said to hell with it and completely cut loose, even going beyond TNG.
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