Enterprise tech, at least their computers and the like, looked the part for their era. TOS had the limits of that period so it can't look like that. Discovery indeed just broke everything, and only one member of the cast is remotely interesting, even the ship itself which traditionally was a cast member in its own right is an ugly thing.
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Enterprise tech, at least their computers and the like, looked the part for their era. TOS had the limits of that period so it can't look like that. Discovery indeed just broke everything, and only one member of the cast is remotely interesting, even the ship itself which traditionally was a cast member in its own right is an ugly thing.
Maybe veganism is eradicated in the future (one can only hope!)
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So last week when I saw that faceless android body I was certain they were going to resurrect Data for season two. Wrong!
I wish I wouldn't have seen interviews with Mr. Stewart talking about season two because I knew he couldn't have been "dead".
I would have loved to have seen more of Data in Season Two but that was an emotional send-off.
So last week when I saw that faceless android body I was certain they were going to resurrect Data for season two. Wrong!
I wish I wouldn't have seen interviews with Mr. Stewart talking about season two because I knew he couldn't have been "dead".
I would have loved to have seen more of Data in Season Two but that was an emotional send-off.
^^Yea, me too on Data! Loved the finale but was disappointed that Data dies AGAIN!! But it is science fiction so who knows.
I was overall very satisfied with the finale. Definitely looking forward to Season 2.
I understand Data's desire to die, I wouldn't want to live alone in a simulation for the rest of my life either (unless, maybe, Picard and Data were there too 😀). One question I am not sure of... is by ending the simulation does it end the ability to create the Synts (at least the ones who live on Coppelius)? Soong Jr. didn't look too happy about the decision. Also, if I got the chance to see my old friend after twenty years I would have definitely given him a hug before I left.
Similar, but slightly off topic, I enjoyed CBS' inclusion of the Ready Room w/ Wil Wheaton. I highly enjoyed the interviews with the cast as well as the insights on the series.
I understand Data's desire to die, I wouldn't want to live alone in a simulation for the rest of my life either (unless, maybe, Picard and Data were there too 😀). One question I am not sure of... is by ending the simulation does it end the ability to create the Synts (at least the ones who live on Coppelius)? Soong Jr. didn't look too happy about the decision. Also, if I got the chance to see my old friend after twenty years I would have definitely given him a hug before I left.
Similar, but slightly off topic, I enjoyed CBS' inclusion of the Ready Room w/ Wil Wheaton. I highly enjoyed the interviews with the cast as well as the insights on the series.
Had the exact same thoughts!
I'm also wondering if they're going to explore with Seven if being re-connected to the mini-collective was harmful to her psyche.
If they unlock the secrets of DNA and matter replication, then meat that comes out of a replicator is still meat.
Macho man standing in front of replicator: Hey vegan wimps, watch this and get triggered! (pushes button and materializes platter of steak, ribs, sausages...) Look at me eat all this meat!
Picard: Shut up Wesley!
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Why not have simulation-Data save Picard AGAIN but this time with his positrons healing irumodic syndrome similar to what was mentioned earlier as positrons being a cure for Riker’s son. They still could’ve had the goodbye scene but it avoids the cop-out cheap Picard death. They again could show how synths are life because a. they provide life in a way by healing and b. Self Sacrifice themselves to save others (a totally non-logical, non purely rational non machine like choice) much like Picard did for the synths. Thus Picard’s and Data’s sacrifices would set an example for the rest of the synths to help out organics instead of wiping them out. And once again Data demonstrates the height of humanity, Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
Why not have simulation-Data save Picard AGAIN but this time with his positrons healing irumodic syndrome similar to what was mentioned earlier as positrons being a cure for Riker’s son. They still could’ve had the goodbye scene but it avoids the cop-out cheap Picard death. They again could show how synths are life because a. they provide life in a way by healing and b. Self Sacrifice themselves to save others (a totally non-logical, non purely rational non machine like choice) much like Picard did for the synths. Thus Picard’s and Data’s sacrifices would set an example for the rest of the synths to help out organics instead of wiping them out. And once again Data demonstrates the height of humanity, Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
That's a good idea also! Although I have to say I'm intrigued with some of the potential stories about robo-Picard. How are his romulan friends that are running the winery going to feel about him, for example?
Regarding this..
I'm having a hard time understanding how that is "un-healable" without body swapping or whatever they did to Picard in the finale there..
Some of the other tech is just outrageously "out there"...yet we are still held back by a simple human brain issue?
And in this uber tech WAY in the future "reality"... everyone needs to drink at every opportunity and Rios is smoking cigars?
I'm sorry - they've just mixed up too much really old/from the human past stuff with super way out there future tech.
It's a weird mix in this show, at least to me.
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This doesn't seem remotely far fetched given the trajectory of lab meats today, already..
Honestly, with the rest of the tech in this show and the level most of it seems to be at, one wonders if a human would need to eat at all (vs some futuristic supplement) beyond the desire for the social aspect of it.
I find this hard to comment on with any hope of accuracy, at least for myself.
Just look backwards 300 years from ourselves and imagine how life was really rather different than now and do that moving forward.. I know, I know - it's a TV show - haha
Warning: Spoilers and Long... (Sorry).
My wife and I watched the season finale last night. ........ Yeah. Not bad. Imo, not great at all. Really? They had to kill Data again?! Why not put him in that body?! Why not make two? One for Picard and one for Data? I don't get it.
Weirdly, I didn't shed a tear when Picard "died" but... when Data ... died it was too hard to keep back the tears. That said, there was way too much crying in this episode for me (from the characters). Data is my favorite TNG character. I looked up to him as a kid growing up. I took Nemesis very ... very hard.
Also not a fan of the holo controls. Would have been so much more impressive with them tapping on a screen that gave feedback.
Edit: I was very impressed by Captain Rios and the holograms. I thought that was well done and the acting A+.
As a Trekkie .... was anyone else bothered by the massive number of IDENTICAL ships the Romulans and Federation had? This is supposed to be post Dominion War, right? I completely expected a DS9 like fleet of varied ships, sizes, generations, etc. But they were all the same. lol. We all know the Tal Shiar's and Obsidian Order's fleets were wiped out when they tried to attack the Founder homeworld.
Referencing: - "I believe the stardate given in Endgame (54973.4) is for late December 2377, and they got home in 2388. If Nemesis takes place in later 2379, it makes sense." Maybe they did build all those ships in almost 10 years?
Referencing: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/how-long-does-it-take.77912/ -- I guess there is a real debate on how long it took to build a ship.
Seeing Riker back in the command seat with all the fire his character has was awesome. A+ there. Always bugged me how passive most of the Trek Captains were. Huge Riker fan here.
I'm intrigued by the "Supreme AI" race that looks like a whole bunch of mechanical starship sized arms...
This show never felt like Trek. The favorite parts of this season: When Picard and Riker were talking. When Picard and Data were talking.
My wife and I watched the season finale last night. ........ Yeah. Not bad. Imo, not great at all. Really? They had to kill Data again?! Why not put him in that body?! Why not make two? One for Picard and one for Data? I don't get it.
Weirdly, I didn't shed a tear when Picard "died" but... when Data ... died it was too hard to keep back the tears. That said, there was way too much crying in this episode for me (from the characters). Data is my favorite TNG character. I looked up to him as a kid growing up. I took Nemesis very ... very hard.
Also not a fan of the holo controls. Would have been so much more impressive with them tapping on a screen that gave feedback.
Edit: I was very impressed by Captain Rios and the holograms. I thought that was well done and the acting A+.
As a Trekkie .... was anyone else bothered by the massive number of IDENTICAL ships the Romulans and Federation had? This is supposed to be post Dominion War, right? I completely expected a DS9 like fleet of varied ships, sizes, generations, etc. But they were all the same. lol. We all know the Tal Shiar's and Obsidian Order's fleets were wiped out when they tried to attack the Founder homeworld.
Referencing: - "I believe the stardate given in Endgame (54973.4) is for late December 2377, and they got home in 2388. If Nemesis takes place in later 2379, it makes sense." Maybe they did build all those ships in almost 10 years?
Referencing: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/how-long-does-it-take.77912/ -- I guess there is a real debate on how long it took to build a ship.
Seeing Riker back in the command seat with all the fire his character has was awesome. A+ there. Always bugged me how passive most of the Trek Captains were. Huge Riker fan here.
I'm intrigued by the "Supreme AI" race that looks like a whole bunch of mechanical starship sized arms...
This show never felt like Trek. The favorite parts of this season: When Picard and Riker were talking. When Picard and Data were talking.
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I didn't remember Data's last scene in Nemesis at all. I watched it on Youtube and wow, I'm glad they gave Picard and Data proper chance to say goodbye.
That seemed really lazy to me!
Found this on reddit. I agree with a lot of the highly upvoted comments.
Forgot to mention : captain rios and the holograms were pretty awesome.
Forgot to mention : captain rios and the holograms were pretty awesome.
I had “acquired” each episode for the new show, thinking surely I’d want to watch again down the line..
Nope. Deleted it all.
What they created here is just a generic, everyday, modern “meh” Sci-Fi effort that just happens to be wearing a Star Trek Halloween costume.
They captured almost nothing about what was special in TNG and/or from that cast.
Nope. Deleted it all.
What they created here is just a generic, everyday, modern “meh” Sci-Fi effort that just happens to be wearing a Star Trek Halloween costume.
They captured almost nothing about what was special in TNG and/or from that cast.
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I got a month of CBS AC for free (picked the free no commercial version instead of the free with limited commercials
), so I’ve started Picard, first 2 episodes. I’ll also watch S2 of Discovery, although I was disenchanted with it when I started S2 during it’s premiere.
There are several pages of this thread I’ve skipped to avoid spoilers.
My initial impression is not that good. After getting over the shock of just how old Picard is, and how strange Data looks even if it is a dream, (as in Androids get old and look just like elderly humans), I’m finding the setup to be a bit complicated, but my real complaint is the dialog, instead of plain speak, a lot of complex descriptions. I understand what’s going on, but the description of the secret a Romulan death squad and how they covered up a crime scene, almost made my eyes glaze over.
I can last through 10 episodes and hopefully, I’ll adjust and grow to like it.
), so I’ve started Picard, first 2 episodes. I’ll also watch S2 of Discovery, although I was disenchanted with it when I started S2 during it’s premiere.There are several pages of this thread I’ve skipped to avoid spoilers.
My initial impression is not that good. After getting over the shock of just how old Picard is, and how strange Data looks even if it is a dream, (as in Androids get old and look just like elderly humans)
, I’m finding the setup to be a bit complicated, but my real complaint is the dialog, instead of plain speak, a lot of complex descriptions. I understand what’s going on, but the description of the secret a Romulan death squad and how they covered up a crime scene, almost made my eyes glaze over.I can last through 10 episodes and hopefully, I’ll adjust and grow to like it.
I can last through 10 episodes and hopefully, I’ll adjust and grow to like it.
Who wants to tell him?
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It’s one of those things you need to see for yourself. I got it for free...
I did happen to see your previous reply in the thread so I am bracing myself. What about Discovery? I loved S1 but thought in S2 there just to many rollercoaster rides, and bailed the first half of the season. I was going to give that a second chance too. 🤔
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I personally haven’t seen a second of it...
What I think I’ve learned over the last 15 years is that I’m just a dyed in the wool older school Roddenberry vision loving Trek fan. I was raised on TNG, and enjoyed the highlights of TOS and also early parts of DS9...
But ultimately none of the efforts newer than Voyager resonate with me and it caused me to pass on Discovery without even trying it. Admittedly that’s poor form, and I’m open to change on that, but I’ve honestly not seen any reviews or feedback that indicate to me that I would enjoy it.
It’s a tremendous sadness to me that Star Trek has deviated so far from the ideology and vision of TOS and TNG. It had “something” that no other sci-fi, or really any genre, show had...
..and it’s just sadly been homogenized and boiled down to being just a very average and ordinary affair that is really just like most other sci-fi out there.....albeit with a touch of Starfleet paint on it.
It’s a long time ago now...but there was an era of TNG that was crossing boundaries of audience and becoming nearly mainstream. I recall cast members on TV guide covers at checkout counters and on prime time morning and talk shows. It had broken out of the sci-fi shackles and niche obscurity.
The writing, acting story telling that mirrored real life issues was simply first rate, and the recognition of that was finally there...
anyhow...things have fallen a long long way from then, to say the least.
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Discovery, Season 1 was good enough to pull me back to Star Trek at least for one season. I thought it was excellent.
I think most of the Trek franchises took a season or two to find themselves and really get the characters going. Thought Picard did a decent job on that with just 10 episodes. Seems like a lot of people are just not giving it a fair chance.
Season 1 of TNG had 25 episodes to get their stuff together.
Season 1 of TNG had 25 episodes to get their stuff together.
Agreed that times have changed on season lengths..
The problem is that the entire show will probably only be 20-30 episodes (max...I’ll bet it’s 2 seasons and done).
And I bristle slightly at the suggestion that some have not given it a fair chance…
Speaking for myself at least...I was all into it, and downloading and archiving my own episodes, and I am absolutely cut from the TNG cloth...I was waiting over a decade for something like this (general idea of something new in spirit of TNG).
It misses the mark in innumerable ways.
I guess to each their own. Really didn't have a lot of expectations so I can't say it missed the mark for me. I enjoyed it quite a bit! Kept trying to remember how I felt after just 10 episodes of TNG but I'm not sure I remember. I do remember that I was having a hard time not comparing TNG to TOS. That's kind of how I went into watching Picard was trying NOT to compare it to anything.
Rest assured I will give it a fair chance. There is most always an adjustment period to get though. I felt this on the first episode of S1 Discovery. The Klingons looked strange compared to STNG, but I was assimilated and like their less human appearance.
For Picard, so far, some of the dialog is annoying me as previously mentioned and I’m still trying to decide if Romulans are actually part of the Federation or they are acting as 3rd party spies. At the end of Episode 2, Picard is trying to get hold of a ship, not unlike how he did in the STNG Series Final. I’ll give it some more time.