Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)

[HobeSoundDarryl]

I too loved that Vader scene in Rogue One, in my mind it single handedly redeemed the destruction of character that Lucas did with his portrayal of Anakin. But objectively, he's fighting red shirts who couldn't hope to actually do anything against him.

People moan about the fact that Kylo Ren gets beat by an inexperienced girl. But Vader, who benefited from years of Jedi AND Sith training, essentially gets beaten by a mostly inexperienced boy.

And not only that, but Vader gets beaten because the boy got angry.

I think Vader got beaten because he was old or because he was supposed to lose, just as Dooku got beaten by younger, less-experienced Anakin because he was old or because he was supposed to lose.

Apparently Palpatine/Emperor likes his #2s to be young, up & comers instead of old & experienced. Due to his age-discrimination ways, he probably couldn't be a villain in the modern, politically-correct, inclusive Disney creations.

Jokes aside, there is some Lucas precedent for younger defeating older+experienced. Obi Wan defeated Anakin in III but older, more experienced Obi Wan lost to Vader in IV... or was supposed to lose... or chose to lose to distract the Empire so Luke & Co. could get away. The difference there vs. here is that the real Jedi was in the fight and died there. Here, only an illusion was (not) in the fight and did not win or lose but did distract long enough for friends to get away.

 

[KingslayerG5]

Yup, The Phantom Menace is superior to The Last Jedi after watching this video...

Qui-Gon & Maul > Kylo, Rey, Poe, Finn, Snoke

Lightsaber battles were so much better. Shame we never saw more of Liam Neeson and as a Force ghost. We only saw Qui-Gon and Darth Maul in Episode I among the live action canon films and both are so much better than the new characters in the Disney SW films.

Only reason why so many people clowned on TPM after a year it was released was because its 5 to 16-year anticipation could never live up to its hype. This was also the dawn of Internet complaints. Jar Jar was an easy target to vent out TPM's issues.

Liam Neeson really stood out to me. It was cool to see Warwick Davis (Wicket/Willow) in attendance for the pod race. The limited time of Darth Maul is better than anything I ever seen from Kylo Ren.

I'm pretty sure C-3PO can even beat Kylo Ren.

LOL

In TLJ, we see Kylo wake up and Rey was gone. He's too weak to even keep a girl around from escaping and going back to the Millennium Falcon. That's how pathetic Kylo Ren really is.

The Last Jedi is the weakest SW in story and character development. I can understand many now truly hating it. Not going to age very well. It didn't age well for me even after a week!

 

[VanNess]

I identify the problem as the fans being unable to be pleased about anything. It's like they have this conception of what Star Wars should be, then throw temper tantrums when something different is presented. Their minds are completely closed to new/different ideas.

They'll complain when ideas are re-used, and complain again when new ideas are brought up.

The problem isn't new or different ideas in TLJ, the problem is that it is supposed to be the middle film of three part trilogy and as such it makes no sense. It largely ignores and/or disposes of key characters and events established in the TFA and it doesn't do anything to set up the next concluding episode of the trilogy. And the little nameless kid at the end of the film that we never get to know on any level with his pet llama on steroids is hardly a set up for the next final film. What, is it supposed to start with him completely grown as a new resistance leader and Rey, Poe, Finn, and Kylo are now all of sudden old men and ladies for God knows what reason?

Here's the deal: if you are going to reprise the rolls of characters from the original trilogy, you inherit the way the characters were established and portrayed over the course of the trilogy. Especially these particular well known and beloved characters. You can put them in new and different circumstances, and present new challenges for them in the story but the characters remain invested in their original portrayal. TFA got this completely right with the return of Han Solo. TLJ couldn't be more completely off the mark with the return of Luke Skywalker.

So nothing wrong with being different but that's not the problem here. This movie can't seem to come to grips with why it exists and simply refuses to recognize for the most part what came before it and refuses to establish what will come after it. All in all it might have made a better stand alone movie with new characters. Luke Skwalker in TLJ is by name and actor only. Otherwise you could have written a completely new character for TLF to play the Skywalker role and it wouldn't have mattered one bit and the movie might have better off it hey did.

 

[Number-Six]

The problem isn't new or different ideas in TLJ, the problem is that it is supposed to be the middle film of three part trilogy and as such it makes no sense. It largely ignores and/or disposes of key characters and events established in the TFA and it doesn't do anything to set up the next concluding episode of the trilogy. And the little nameless kid at the end of the film that we never get to know on any level with his pet llama on steroids is hardly a set up for the next final film. What, is it supposed to start with him completely grown as a new resistance leader and Rey, Poe, Finn, and Kylo are now all of sudden old men and ladies for God knows what reason?

Here's the deal: if you are going to reprise the rolls of characters from the original trilogy, you inherit the way the characters were established and portrayed over the course of the trilogy. Especially these particular well known and beloved characters. You can put them in new and different circumstances, and present new challenges for them in the story but the characters remain invested in their original portrayal. TFA got this completely right with the return of Han Solo. TLJ couldn't be more completely off the mark with the return of Luke Skywalker.

So nothing wrong with being different but that's not the problem here. This movie can't seem to come to grips with why it exists and simply refuses to recognize for the most part what came before it and refuses to establish what will come after it. All in all it might have made a better stand alone movie with new characters. Luke Skwalker in TLJ is by name and actor only. Otherwise you could have written a completely new character for TLF to play the Skywalker role and it wouldn't have mattered one bit and the movie might have better off it hey did.

Did they though? Aside from some exposition and comic relief, the character is pretty much a shadow of his former self. He abandoned his wife and son, had his ship stolen and is tracked down not by one but TWO gangs of thugs. This is far from the famed smuggler that evaded Jabba's bounty hunters for 3 years.

He's pretty much an old, broken man by the time of TFA. I don't see how it's that much different than Luke.

 

[VanNess]

Did they though? Aside from some exposition and comic relief, the character is pretty much a shadow of his former self. He abandoned his wife and son, had his ship stolen and is tracked down not by one but TWO gangs of thugs. This is far from the famed smuggler that evaded Jabba's bounty hunters for 3 years.

He's pretty much an old, broken man by the time of TFA. I don't see how it's that much different than Luke.

If you really sat down and watched TFA and at the end of the movie came to the remarkable conclusion that Han Solo was "an old and broken man" then so be it. I didn't.

 

[KingslayerG5]

TLJ's summary -

Luke not acting like Luke in the very first scene when he tossed the lightsaber over his shoulder.

The Resistance can be tracked through light speed by The First Order.

Asking Maz for help who looks preoccupied but still has time to video record herself and hint the code breaker can turn her on. Huh? SW's residential cougar or sabre-tooth.

Finn and Rose needing go on a side adventure because the good guys are running out of gas and it was all for naught because they got put in a jail cell for a landing violation! They got betrayed by DJ. Yeah, trust that guy.

Holdo vs Poe conflict

Rey connecting with Kylo and believing he can turn him after a couple bridge scenes when she called him a monster (which he gladly admitted) and a liar.

Believing Kylo over Luke is idiotic. Do you remember Kylo killing his father, Rey? Hello?

A money shot scene in the throne room that should have included Luke and put at the end of the film. But Luke doesn't want to train the girl that bested his nephew as a newbie.

Long sequence in Crait that should have happened earlier in the film. Let's go there because it's heavily armored. Then wanting to leave right after because The First Order have a doorbuster.

A mindless hologram scene of Luke that looks cool the first time you see it only to realize you have been cheated again after Snoke's death scene.

Luke needing to Force ghost and for what?

I bet Disney will make a story about that broom boy just like a young Peter Parker was in Iron Man 2 wearing an IM mask.

A few standout scenes -
Snoke's death
Kylo and Rey fighting against the guards
Holdo's death

The rest was trash including that finale that was 20+ minutes too long.

 

[TheTruth101]

I too loved that Vader scene in Rogue One, in my mind it single handedly redeemed the destruction of character that Lucas did with his portrayal of Anakin. But objectively, he's fighting red shirts who couldn't hope to actually do anything against him.

People moan about the fact that Kylo Ren gets beat by an inexperienced girl. But Vader, who benefited from years of Jedi AND Sith training, essentially gets beaten by a mostly inexperienced boy.

And not only that, but Vader gets beaten because the boy got angry.

In the Empire Strike Back the boy lose his hand. In the Return of the Jedi the boy grew up. The fight with Kylo and Rey... the big problem there was photography and editing. I am a producer and there was not actual tension AND the music was too generic.

Listen to the fights (ever one) in Rogue One, the music was everything! and the editing was perfect, the timing and photography.

You have to remember that the director of the Last Jedi is a F loser with no experience as every one else in the cast. I noticed a load of missing shoots. The only good thing was the CGI, very organic and beautiful colors.

 

[KingslayerG5]

Then Luke tosses it over his shoulder like it's nothing in his first scene in TLJ. No thank you. A lightsaber that was his father's and that started his journey to become a Jedi. A lightsaber that he lost in Cloud City over 30 years prior and that Kylo Ren is after. No care in the world.

That's when we knew Luke was not going to go the way we think. We got a very bad feeling about it. So what does he do next? He walks away. Gives Rey the silence treatment. Folds his clothes, drinks green milk, and goes fishing. No concern in the galaxy while Han died and Leia needs help.

Rian claims he is a diehard Star Wars fans but doesn't seem to understand the main protagonist from the OT. It's almost like he wasn't a Luke fan and decided to give Mark Hamill the crappiest exit in franchise history. Even Mace Windu died fighting. Paige Tico and Amilyn Holdo exited better.

You know, I actually did like Rey after TFA. I liked Daisy Ridley as Rey in TFA more than Mark Hamill's Luke in ANH. I found Luke a little whiny, unfunny, and too Jon Snow for me. A goodie goodie idiot. But Rian ruined Rey's character even more in TLJ.

I just think Rey needs to get laid like iJustine who collects Amiibos. Rey can swim even though she lived in a desert planet most of her life. Rey felt something inside when she touched Kylo. No, Rey. You want Kylo's something inside you. I saw his future! IT WAS SOLID! Yeah, you're hoping.

I had high hopes for Rey after TFA and nothing happened. She is a moron to even believe she could turn Kylo after she saw him kill his father with her own eyes. I thought she could go down as my favorite female SW character above Leia. She looked promising in TFA early on fighting off two attackers.

Rey could be portrayed by Chloe Moretz, Finn by Will Smith or Denzel Washington, Poe by Tom Cruise or Val Kilmer, Kylo by Leonardo DiCaprio, and I still wouldn't care for any of them because how badly they are all written. Rey has elements of Snow White / Cinderella / Sleeping Beauty / a little orphan Annie.

If Disney ends Episode IX with a Reylo romance, I will literally get up and walk out of the theater. I will still download the movie to complete my collection since I have trash films like the Transformers with Mark Wahlberg, Michael Bay's TMNT, and Batman & Robin (1997), but I probably won't rewatch it.

I would put this entire ST on the bottom pile if the Reylo ending happens. At least PT felt connected to OT, had Obi-Wan and Yoda, and ROTS had Vader. Just pretend these chapters never happened and it was catered to Twilight fans who write fan fiction on Wattpad. A cash grab to appeal to newbies and females.

The villain who killed Han, willing to kill Leia (take no prisoners), and really, really wanted Luke to die gets the girl at the end? THAT GIRL. The one who wanted our old favorites to die turns good because he loves Rey? Are you serious, Kathleen? Are you serious, JJ?

I will be hoping for someone to kill Kylo at the end if it's not Rey, Finn, or Poe. C-3PO, kill him for us please!? Anybody. Chewie, Artoo, Jar Jar, anyone! I will look at Threepio in a completely different way and will be applauding if he shoves a lightsaber into Ben's spoiled and ungrateful ***.

As much as I hate Rey and these other new SW heroes, my hatred for Kylo is even more. Most disappointing SW character ever. His motives are all over the place. He isn't funny. At least Negan is pretty funny since Rick and his group are all boring and all too serious. At least Cersei is scheming.

Kylo has no grand scheme. He just goes on tantrums. He better die at the end. Kylo deserves to die with "no girlfriend as he's Ben Solo all his life" and probably is a virgin like Apple deserves to be sued.

#unluke
#kylosucks
#notmystarwars

Forget these films ever happened.

 

[TheTruth101]

Imagine this... the year is 1983 and Return of the Jedi just came out
You and your friends waited in line for hours to get tickets and have just finished watching it and cheering
As you get up to leave after the credits... something happens
An announcement is made and you are told the next 2 movies are ready for viewing without waiting decades
You cheer and high five everyone around and settle back into your seats

And then...
The Force Awakens starts followed by The Last Jedi

That is the disappointment I felt

I gave the Prequels a pass because they didn't really mess with my heroes
But seeing how the lives of my heroes turned out... as pathetic losers... I could have done without that
I see enough of that in real life

Totally agreed. There was not respect or caring specially having so many resources available today: good actors, good cgi, money, good directors. Instead we got a chap script, cheap actors, cheap director. Is like having CarPlay in a Geo Metro.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I saw this film last night and loved it. As somebody who has grown up enjoying Star Wars I felt this was perhaps the best one yet. These latest films are just so well filmed! It was nice to see Luke back one last time.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I saw this film last night and loved it. As somebody who has grown up enjoying Star Wars I felt this was perhaps the best one yet. These latest films are just so well filmed! It was nice to see Luke back one last time.

Do you think it was one last time? Or do you think his ghost will return to visit Rey? Having Yoda visit her wouldn't really make sense imo.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Do you think it was one last time? Or do you think his ghost will return to visit Rey? Having Yoda visit her wouldn't really make sense imo.

Yeah I think we’ll see his ghost visiting Rey and haunting Kylo Ren in the next film. He did suggest that if Kylo struck him down.

 

[Contra1971]

as someone who is old enough to have actually seen the original (Star Wars NOT episode 4, it was re-titled "A Last Hope episode 4" after the "Special Editions" came out)
while it was still in theaters in '77
and all the others since
I can say that this one was mediocre at best, don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it,
I think a better role for Luke should have been for him to train Rey
kinda like he was trained by Yoda
but it was no Empire Strikes Back so...

 

[KingslayerG5]

I was watching The Phantom Menace and realized how underrated it can be for a SW film. It's no masterpiece but if any movie had the same anticipation as TPM did, it would be bashed too.

One thing I noticed with the Prequels are the characters working together as a unit like in the OT. One problem with this Sequel Trilogy is that none of films has them working in a group like the previous trilogies did.

A New Hope
Luke, Obi-Wan, Han, Chewie, Artoo, Threepio.
Then subtract Ben and add Leia .

The Empire Strikes Back
Han, Leia, Chewie, Threepio, then Lando with Luke, Artoo, and Yoda in Dagobah.

Return Of The Jedi
Luke, Leia, Lando, Chewie, clueless Threepio, Artoo to get Han back. Threepio did finally become useful in Endor.

The Phantom Menace
Qui-Gon, Padmé, Jar Jar, Anakin, Shmi at Boonta Eve. Then most of them minus Shmi worked together at the end with the Gungans.

Attack Of The Clones
Obi-Wan, Anakin, Padmé, droids, then Jedis and Clone Troopers came in. How come Jango was beheaded by Mace but his clones came in to help?

Revenge Of The Sith
Anakin, Obi-Wan, Artoo to rescue Palpatine. Then Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Bail Organa at the end. Leia's adoptive father is half-Puerto Rican (Jimmy Smits), so fanboys shouldn't act racist or sexist towards the current films.

The Force Awakens
Poe and Finn just to escape. Then Rey, Finn, and BB-8 with Han and Chewie later.

The Last Jedi
Finn and Rose. Rey with Chewie and Artoo but Luke is reluctant to help. Poe and Leia. Poe barely met Rey at the end..

There is no family unit working together as a team. Finn was going to be a deserter on both sides. I see mostly pairings. I've never seen a scene with Daisy, John, and Oscar working together as a team. We saw that several times with Harrison, Mark, and Carrie and Ewan, Hayden, and Natalie.

Luke was a team player. Hamill is a team player. Rian took a big dump on the script and made Luke fly solo, no pun intended. The characters are whack anyway. Hard to believe new characters in Rose, Paige, Holdo, and DJ outshined Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo in TLJ. Ditching the ship because it's running out of fuel is not heroic, Finn.

I actually prefer the Star Trek cast in the reboot than this current SW cast. Chris Pine watched alot of Harrison Ford films especially of Han Solo and Indiana Jones. That's why his James T. Kirk is fairly likeable for me. That crew works well together even with some bickering. This new SW group doesn't. The group isn't cohesive enough to care about them.

I remember back in 2015, JJ Abrams said Kylo Ren is a Vader fanboy and not a Sith. He and Kasdan were saying Kylo was going to be an interesting character. This character sucks, period. It's like when Lucas and McCollum kept praising Ahmed Best. Then gave Jar Jar less screen time in AOTC.

Kylo Ren was only interesting for like the first half of The Force Awakens when he kept his mask on. He was Force freezing a blaster shot and Rey. Then when Rey asked him to take off the mask, he didn't hesitate and it looked like Rey got turned on by it since living in Jakku alone keeps her very dry down there.

I used to defend Kylo for losing to Rey because Chewie shot him in the ribs. Nah. Kylo is weak. He couldn't even handle a guard from strangling him. Rey who doesn't throw like Tom Brady needed to toss a lightsaber to help him. So Rey ran off again to fight with The Resistance after being captured twice. The second time she was willing.

Kylo Ren can't be redeemed. He can not fall in love with Rey and be saved by her after Rey saw Han murdered by him and critically wound her buddy, Finn. Writers simply can not kill off our old favorite heroes and reward a family-killer like Kylo by winning Rey's heart.

Doesn't make any sense to kill off relatives and be back on the good side because he fell in love. I don't want another trilogy featuring him again after IX. Kylo Ren was supposed to be the character to sell merchandise because he looks cool only to become such a huge disappointment.

It's becoming Star Wars newbie fangirl service. The shirtless Kylo was a prime example for one. This SW trilogy (VII-IX) is pretty much forgettable because it lacks characters as cool as Vader, Han, and Obi-Wan.

Disney, please give us -

Rated-R Star Wars. Think Game of Thrones content set in the SW universe. It's Disney and it is not happening.

The Knights of the Old Republic

Prequels Remake

Looking forward to Solo and Kenobi films as those are two of my favorites. It's Disney and they can still ruin it but something beyond talking about the Skywalkers.

Hoping Obi-Wan's 19 years between ROTS and ANH had some adventures. I think they can make Obi-Wan as a detective like he was in AOTC. The Sherlock Holmes of SW.

I'm a lone wolf at heart but I can flow in groups if I wanted to. I come from a big family, and being in groups is more beneficial and fun. Stronger together as a family unit than being alone. Current SW doesn't have that family unit vibe for me.

OT
Luke
Han
Leia
Chewie
Artoo
Threepio
Lando

PT
Obi-Wan
Anakin
Padmé
Artoo
Qui-Gon, Jar Jar, Shmi, Yoda, Mace, & Bail for one movie.

ST
Rey
Finn
Poe
BB-8
Rose?
Chewie, Artoo, and Threepio are barely there. Han, Leia, Amilyn for one movie.

Poe just barely met Rose. And Rose never met Rey yet.

Vader, Sidious, Dooku, Maul, >> Snoke, Kylo

These new SW characters suck. Doesn't matter if most of the SW characters were white males. They suck. Kylo is a white male and sucks the hardest. Hux sux and he's a white male. Kylo is nearly 30-years old and still acts a child.

Newbie fangirl service, birth of Reylo fans, and the moment Kylo Ren stopped being interesting...

Team work

By ruining Luke's character, Rian also ruined Rey's character in TLJ. This girl had potential to be more likeable than Luke and Leia if you weren't sexist. If Luke was willing to help her in TLJ, it wouldn't make Rey's motive to help turn Kylo look so idiotic. Luke & Rey should have fought together against Snoke & Kylo...

 

[decafjava]

I saw this film last night and loved it. As somebody who has grown up enjoying Star Wars I felt this was perhaps the best one yet. These latest films are just so well filmed! It was nice to see Luke back one last time.

Shhh not allowed to praise the film in this thread.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Shhh not allowed to praise the film in this thread.

Ha, I hadn’t realised. Films are always so personal in how we appreciate them and nobody else’s opinion interferes with how i enjoyed the film last night. It’s one of the very few subjects I struggle to debate over as it’s so difficult to argue whether or not anybody else enjoys a film more than yourself or vice verse lol.

 

[duffman9000]

Yeah I think we’ll see his ghost visiting Rey and haunting Kylo Ren in the next film. He did suggest that if Kylo struck him down.

I was joking about this with my massuss. Hi Ben! Made you look!! I’m still here!!

 

[maflynn]

One thing that struck me is the amount of explaining that Rian Johnson has been doing to clear the air about why he did what he did and explaining the motivations. Whether its Snoke, Rey, or Luke

As director and screenwriter for the Last Jedi, he of course has all the details of what they did and why they did what they did. here's my epiphany: If a screenwriter/director needs to continually explain details of the movie, then he did a poor job at his job. He failed to convey the ethos, motivations, and thought process to help the audience understand and connect the dots. Now I really enjoyed the movie and yes some of it was not what I was expecting but if the director has been explaining stuff often enough to help us understand then he failed one aspect of his job.

I just saw some blog sites that have Rian explaining Rey and the cave that occurred while she was on the island.

I really did enjoy the movie, and I'm looking forward to seeing it again, but as we keep seeing Rian explain the movie, perhaps he should have done less interviews or that and put some details into the movie to help us.

 

[Mac'nCheese]

How would a bomber ship work in outer space where there’s no gravity?

 

[Apple fanboy]

How would a bomber ship work in outer space where there’s no gravity?

Does the artificial gravity of a Stardestroyer mean small objects are attracted to them?


Or maybe it's just a film!

 

[maflynn]

How would a bomber ship work in outer space where there’s no gravity?

Consider other issues, like how ships fly in space, its not accurate or how (in the Force Awakens), an energy weapon travels hundreds of light years to destroy a planet. If you're going to be bothered by the lack of realistic physics in a science fiction movie, maybe that genre isn't the best for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personally, I go to the movies to enjoy and it doesn't matter how "realistic it is"

 

[Mac'nCheese]

Does the artificial gravity of a Stardestroyer mean small objects are attracted to them?


Or maybe it's just a film!

Consider other issues, like how ships fly in space, its not accurate or how (in the Force Awakens), an energy weapon travels hundreds of light years to destroy a planet. If you're going to be bothered by the lack of realistic physics in a science fiction movie, maybe that genre isn't the best for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Personally, I go to the movies to enjoy and it doesn't matter how "realistic it is"

Jeez guys just asking a question.

 

[maflynn]

Jeez guys just asking a question.

I wasn't trying to be harsh but it's just a movie after all

Merry Christmas

 

[KingslayerG5]

I do not agree with most of the opinions said in the link below except the last part about the missing piece where we still don't understand why Luke wanted the Jedi to end and why he's so remorseful...

https://www.wired.com/2017/12/geeks-guide-last-jedi/

I was watching Looper (2012) last night and now I'm thinking Rian Johnson shouldn't write any more SW films ever. It's my 4th time watching Looper and my bad.. Rian isn't better than JJ or Gareth. I find them all pretty mediocre. Special effects were awful and some parts don't make any sense. It's interesting until Young Joe goes to the farm.

Looper is superior to The Last Jedi but it's not as good as when I first remembered it. I could never get into Brick. I like Joseph Levitt Gordon but I hate Do-ush Willis. I used to think JLG with the prosthetic nose looked like BW five years ago but they have totally different faces with different sized heads. Still a good movie but hasn't aged as well and neither will TLJ.

Speaking of Looper...

I can live with most of the flaws that video mentioned except the major one - the character assassination of Luke Skywalker.

I find Rose, Holdo, DJ, Phasma, and porgs all unnecessary and adds on. Push feminism, I don't care. I find Finn and Poe uninteresting since TFA and Rian made them more unbearable for the sake of doing something in the movie. Rian tossed away Snoke and made him look unnecessary. But I can live with all that. I'm not looking for a masterpiece. It's how Rian messed up Luke's character which created a domino effect for the rest of the film's story.

Mark Hamill will never accept that Luke and many of us won't either. By ruining Luke's character and being reluctant to help Rey, Leia, and confront his nephew, it caused the entire plot points to collapse. Rey would have never done something stupid by going to Kylo after watching Han die and Finn get wounded. I have never been a Luke fan but I do adore Mark Hamill as a loveable guy and his role he has known for 40 years got shafted in the weakest franchise exit ever.

By tossing away that lightsaber Luke hasn't seen in over 30 years is when we knew he was out of character and this is not going to go the way we think. Then Rian didn't have the audacity to tell us why Luke was so remorseful by walking away from everything. He must have done something wrong. Was Snoke a good guy and friend prior and Luke introduced him to Ben? That flashback didn't tell us enough about why Luke is being un-Luke.

Luke tosses away the lightsaber, later tells Rey that it's time for the Jedi to end, but he still has time to protect the sacred Jedi texts he doesn't even read? Does that make any sense? If Jar Jar Abrams finishes the trilogy with a redeemable Ben and Reylo romance finale, RIP main SW films. Stick to the Anthology/A Star Wars Story films with characters we actually like.

 

[smallcoffee]

You know what was really bad? The storm trooper mini-boss.

Some days I am ok with this movie, other days I'm ready to throw up.