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Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)

Re: the gravity thing. All mass "bends space" so creates gravity...the larger the mass, the greater the gravity.

The one that's always bothered me was Yoda's "size matters not" sermon to Luke. If that's the case, why doesn't the Jedi just focus their energies on the reactor inside the death star and have it explode from light years away?

...because it would make the story SO incredibly short. :D
 
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fischersd said:
Re: the gravity thing. All mass "bends space" so creates gravity...the larger the mass, the greater the gravity.

The one that's always bothered me was Yoda's "size matters not" sermon to Luke. If that's the case, why doesn't the Jedi just focus their energies on the reactor inside the death star and have it explode from light years away?

...because it would make the story SO incredibly short. :D
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Size doesn't matter for gravity. Objects such as a neutron star may be smaller in size than many stars, but contain vastly more mass.
 
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smallcoffee said:
Size doesn't matter for gravity. Objects such as a neutron star may be smaller in size than many stars, but contain vastly more mass.
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About the same mass as
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The production quality of the new films is really good.

However they seem rushed to me, like they're trying to pack too much story so they breeze right through it. And it isn't even like it's implied that things are catching up in the background.

For example, when Rey catches on to things on her first or second try. It took all the other Jedis tons of practice and training, yet she manages to convince the stormtrooper on literally her second attempt ever to do as she says, or picks up the lightsaber and is ready for battle against Luke's own prodigee without a moment's training. Consider how much time Yoda spent training Luke, and he still lost his hand. :p

Without the time for character development it just comes across as cheesy and boring. There's little of interest in flawless characters. This latest film does it as much as the previous release.

As much as I love the Star Wars universe, the new ones don't do much for me other than evoke some nostalgia. I get the impression that they just know they can make a fortune by making a Star Wars film so they just pump them out, like Marvel and DC these past few years.
 
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Altis said:
As much as I love the Star Wars universe, the new ones don't do much for me other than evoke some nostalgia. I get the impression that they just know they can make a fortune by making a Star Wars film so they just pump them out, like Marvel and DC these past few years.
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Yup. The little bird monsters? Already out in stores.
 
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For example, when Rey catches on to things on her first or second try. It took all the other Jedis tons of practice and training, yet she manages to convince the stormtrooper on literally her second attempt ever to do as she says, or picks up the lightsaber and is ready for battle against Luke's own prodigee without a moment's training. Consider how much time Yoda spent training Luke, and he still lost his hand. :p
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That's been the criticism levied against Rey in The Force Awakens. I mean she can fly the Millennium Falcon, fix it. Speak to BB8 in its native tongue, also understand Wookies. Its like there's nothing she can't do.

I'm not worked up over it, but it is noticeable.
 
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That's been the criticism levied against Rey in The Force Awakens. I mean she can fly the Millennium Falcon, fix it. Speak to BB8 in its native tongue, also understand Wookies. Its like there's nothing she can't do.

I'm not worked up over it, but it is noticeable.
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In my opinion that's exactly the type of thing to be worked up over (not in the grand scheme of life but in discussion of the movie) because it's the exact type of writing that made the movie poor compared to what it could have been.

This movie, like others, is a monument to the director's ego and the purse strings of Disney at the expense of the legacy of the series.
 
maflynn said:
That's been the criticism levied against Rey in The Force Awakens. I mean she can fly the Millennium Falcon, fix it. Speak to BB8 in its native tongue, also understand Wookies. Its like there's nothing she can't do.

I'm not worked up over it, but it is noticeable.
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And happens to live right next to the Millenium Falcon, happens to have BB8 in the first place, happens to steal the Falcon and make off with it with no trouble, happens to come across Han Solo, etc etc...

This new movie just continues that level of predictable boredom. There's simply nothing interesting about it -- and it all happens so quick that it's just one thing after the other. :p
 
Altis said:
And happens to live right next to the Millenium Falcon, happens to have BB8 in the first place, happens to steal the Falcon and make off with it with no trouble, happens to come across Han Solo, etc etc...

This new movie just continues that level of predictable boredom. There's simply nothing interesting about it -- and it all happens so quick that it's just one thing after the other. :p
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Yup. And this isn't even a pro-original Star Wars thing it's just poor writing. Look at the original Lord of the Rings trilogy, for example. Perhaps the only "happened to be there" piece was Gandalf in the forest, but even then it was done well. That's the difference.
 
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These were some of the things I was saying about Kylo Ren back in 2015 before and after I watched The Force Awakens a couple times in the theater -

He looks so cool and he's going to kick ***. My 2nd favorite character "design" behind Iron Man. Cooler looking than Vader, Batman, and Spider-Man. I'm going to buy his toys and find wallpapers of him.

He's the son of Han and Leia, two of my favs. He might be greater and more complicated than Vader! He is going to be awesome and looks so cool!

He lost to Rey and got hurt on the shoulder by Finn because he got shot in the ribs from Chewie. It's ok. Kylo is still cool!

He took off his mask in front of Rey which killed the mystery and had to talk in his real voice. It's ok. Kylo is still cool!

He killed Han. It's ok. Harrison is old. Kylo is still cool!

Actually, I still couldn't get over Han's death which was more painful to watch than Luke's. It was still in my mind for days.

As I watched more and more of The Force Awakens, my hatred inside me for Kylo Ren grew. After The Last Jedi, I would never root for this fool no matter if he wears an Iron Man suit in the next film.

Ben Solo is an ungrateful, emo brat. I will never support a character who kills or wants to kill off family members. Characters we all grew up on and felt like our own relatives...

Han, that cool uncle
Leia, our princess
Luke, our brother

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^ Yeah, kid. Go dress like him and buy his toys. His design appeals to that typical target demographic for merchandising. Kylo Ren still sucks. Nothing against Adam Driver. He can be amazing in any other role. Just not buying into his Kylo Ren.

Is the video below a joke? Kylo is not even powerful enough to keep Rey from escaping twice, beat her in a duel, got injured by Finn, and couldn't handle Snoke's guard from strangling him. He can only kill Jedi students (off-screen) and old guys like an unarmed Lor San Tekka and Han Solo. He kills half of Luke's students, Lor, and Han, wanted every gun fired at Luke, and Kylo still felt Luke owed him an apology!

Read the idiotic comments. They're hilarious.

No hatred for any of the cast members. I hate Emilia Clarke and Kit Harington's "acting" and don't like Dany or Jon/Aegon in Game Of Thrones, but it doesn't mean I hate them personally. They all seem cool and just doing their jobs. Emilia Clarke is someone I would love to hang out with as she seems fun and hilarious like Mark Hamill is.

When Natalie Portman delivered one of the cheesiest lines in Revenge Of The Sith, I was still rooting for her to win the Oscar in 2011 for Black Swan and she did. She was pregnant too. Her real-life Luke Skywalker was inside of her and I've never even seen Black Swan. I just wanted Nat to win. The Force was strong with her that Oscar night. In real life, Nat does have a son and daughter. Halloween would be easy for them.

Kathleen Kennedy's feminist propaganda as the executive producer, Jar Jar Abrams (Darth Plagiarist), and Rian Johnson's bizarre vision of SW are just ruining it and coming up with the weakest SW characters and stories ever.

Fun-loving, Mark Hamill. He deserved better.

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Now let me talk about Rey. Once I started to think Kylo Ren was a joke, I had high hopes for Rey. I liked Rey more than Luke but I wasn't completely sold on her yet. Daisy Ridley is a beauty to me just like Felicity Jones. After Daisy does these dumb SW films catered to children, I hope for the best for both actresses' careers like I did for Natalie Portman.

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Prior to TLJ, I was thinking maybe we can know more about this mysterious Rey character? Anakin-reincarnated because she looks like Shmi? The Chosen One? Related to Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, or Snoke's creation? I used to try to imagine Rey being like Arya Stark without the revenge because I watched GoT and TFA around the same time. A loner but a bad*** who can take of herself. BTW, I'm starting to hate Arya. A fangirl service character. Another character assassination by Dumb & Dumber.

The last trailer, the scene that hinted Rey might go to the Dark side or team up with Kylo, I was thinking, WHOA! I defended her for being labeled a Mary Sue. I was hoping she was going to kick ***. Boy (or girl), I WAS WRONG! She's Mary Sue Skywalker. Rian did not develop her character enough to know more about her or care about her. The lightsaber fight scene was amateurish at best. She just wanders around and has all this power unexplained.

Fan service characters with a shirtless Kylo to appeal to more females. Thanks, Kathleen. These new SW characters suck. Many minor ones are unnecessary and the main ones aren't appealing at all. Episode IX might be even worse than Justin Lin's Star Trek Beyond. The final scene would be Jar Jar Abrams putting Beastie Boys' "Sabotage" as a weapon to help save the Millennium Falcon.

I would read comments on "Star Wars Theory" and laugh at the excuses for a bad SW film. "Luke was epic! I love The Last Jedi, blah blah blah." After a few more times they see TLJ, some will hate it just like I did for AOTC. In retrospect, maybe Han was better off being killed off. Harrison became like a real life Han and was only doing it for the money. Harrison doesn't want to be part of this garbage that Star Wars has become.


19 BBY - 4 ABY
III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI

^ Only Star Wars films worth watching and deserves to be canon.

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kingalexthe1st said:
Ben Solo / Kylo Ren
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Like Anakin/Vader... which brings up a question... what's up with that? Do the Empire and First Order require you to change your name when you join? Was Snoke always called that, or was he formerly named something like Larry?

For example, if I signed up would I have to change my name from Actionable Mango to Darth Papaya?
 
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ActionableMango said:
Like Anakin/Vader... which brings up a question... what's up with that? Do the Empire and First Order require you to change your name when you join? Was Snoke always called that, or was he formerly named something like Larry?

For example, if I signed up would I have to change my name from Actionable Mango to Darth Papaya?
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His name was Francis. He tried Ajax but it was already taken.
 
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Mac'nCheese said:
And why did Dern have to stay in the ship to fool the first order anyway? No droids could have stayed? No autopilot setting or remote pilot?
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Actually that seems pretty realistic to me.

"Hey Siri, fly the cruiser into that big ship at lightspeed!"

Okay, now playing AC/DC Thunderstuck.​

"No no no, ram the enemy flagship!"

Okay, calling dad on mobile.

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smallcoffee said:
I mean they were cute but what was the point? What was the value add besides looking tasty?
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That and just a touch of comedy, nothing more nothing less. That was pretty much it.

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Hahaha, when we were [just in] NYC, we had a late night run on Xmas eve to some food carts - I'm 98% sure the meat on the skewers we got was Porg :D

(I shudder to think what the falafel might have been ...)
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HAHAHAHA, I will never look at a cooked Cornish Game Hen the same again!:D:eek:
 
I just saw the Last Jedi for the second time, and I felt it actually was beneficial. I missed things like when Kilo Ren and Rey were first force joined, Ren stated that she couldn't be doing it because the strain of using the force like that would kill her, and then at the end of the movie we see Luke using the force to project himself on Crete. I think the director was being too subtle in detailing those queues so they looked more like omissions in the storyline.

I also felt much of the theme was balance of good vs. light, such as Snoke addressing Rey and Ren, saying how as Ren grew stronger in the dark side, someone would be raised up in equal power on the light side and how he assumed that would have been Luke but it was Rey
 
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mollyc said:
Actually the porgs were included because those scenes were shot where a wildlife preserve filled with puffins were and they were not allowed to disturb the puffins. So they worked with them and made a similar bird rather than editing them out.

https://www.gq.com/story/porgs-only-exist-because-star-wars-the-last-jedi-couldnt-get-rid-of-puffins/amp
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Yeah, sure, which would be fine, but then they took them on the Falcon, and made toys out of them, etc.
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rhett7660 said:
Oh, I think this is just a tip of the iceberg with what was wrong with the movie. I can't remember another Star Wars movie that had this much division in it's audience as TLJ has. Even the prequels with Jar Jar didn't polarize the fans this much.
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Oh I agree, this was a minor nuisance in and of itself, but I think highlights the overall systematic problem which was this movie was about money first, and making a movie second.
 
smallcoffee said:
Yeah, sure, which would be fine, but then they took them on the Falcon, and made toys out of them, etc.
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Oh I agree, this was a minor nuisance in and of itself, but I think highlights the overall systematic problem which was this movie was about money first, and making a movie second.
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Those 3 and a half seconds of the porgs in the falcon bothered you that much?
 
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