As a friend once said “how can you be a reformed scoundrel, if you were never one to begin with?”I never got why they had to mess with that scene. They really dorked it, to make Hans seem nicer... WHY LUCAS??
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Star Wars the Upcoming Episode 9: Redemption for Disney?
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My impression was that the bounty on Hans Solo was dead or alive, Greedo is holding a gun on Solo and tells him he has been looking forward to this, which I always assumed he meant to kill him to collect the bounty. So what would we expect him to do? Self preservation.
link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first
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Yep, yep, yep.
They messed with the scene to make us think Han shot in self defense.
How is that credible? And Greedo missing at point blank range. Well, that might be credible, since Stormtroopers are expert marksman in the SW universe and supposedly better shots than Greedo. But nice guys living in the seedy underworld don't last long. Han shooting first shows that he doesn't leave stuff up to chance or Fate. He understands...
Probably, but by shooting first, he looks like more of a bad-ass. From that article: "5] The primary objection to the revision is that it alters Han's initially morally ambiguous character, making his later transition from anti-hero to hero less meaningful.[6] A5] The primary objection to the revision is that it alters Han's initially morally ambiguous character, making his later transition from anti-hero to hero less meaningful."
Rogue One was rather good (I hope the Cassian Andor limited series eventually comes out in a format I can own), but that seems like an anomaly now.
Well, 7 and 8 do not exist in my head cannon, though I do appreciate Mark Hamill doing the best he could with the material he was sadly contracted to perform.
I understand 8 was about failures and finding your way out of that, but that was an awful movie period, not just the absolute worst SW ever made.
Anyway, not a fan of JJ Abrams (though I did like the first Star Trek he did), I’ll probably will rent 9.
There are still good comics and novels being released (Mostly prequel related at the moment), and I’ll always have the earlier movies and Rogue One.
I still love Luke, the Jedi and the universe, so no matter what Abrams does with 9, I’ll either accept it or I won’t. I just do not care and not caring is the most damning thing I can say about this trilogy.
Considering 8 was a first draft script that was greenlit, it does not surprise me how much of a stinker it was.
Well, 7 and 8 do not exist in my head cannon, though I do appreciate Mark Hamill doing the best he could with the material he was sadly contracted to perform.
I understand 8 was about failures and finding your way out of that, but that was an awful movie period, not just the absolute worst SW ever made.
Anyway, not a fan of JJ Abrams (though I did like the first Star Trek he did), I’ll probably will rent 9.
There are still good comics and novels being released (Mostly prequel related at the moment), and I’ll always have the earlier movies and Rogue One.
I still love Luke, the Jedi and the universe, so no matter what Abrams does with 9, I’ll either accept it or I won’t. I just do not care and not caring is the most damning thing I can say about this trilogy.
Considering 8 was a first draft script that was greenlit, it does not surprise me how much of a stinker it was.
No. No, she didn't. Bear in mind, it's the continuing yelps of those who aren't comfortable with NOT being the focus of their favorite films. Kennedy & Disney are all about getting every dollar from everyone, and will do what they can to reach audiences they might not have been getting the most money from before. As it is Star Wars is still a non starter in China, which has become at times the most important or 2nd most important to crack.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sta...-why-the-movies-keep-flopping-in-china-2018-8
That's killing Disney that after all that money spent, one of the most popular franchises of all time, still can't crack China. Disney is going to continue with it's diversity efforts as long as it seems to increase their ticket sales with wider ranging audiences. For some, that's somehow frightening.
What were the complaints? Was he "too short?"
The complaints amazingly enough were that he was black. Everyone knows stormtroopers weren't black!
Probably the first time in cinematic history that a particular group of individuals screamed the black guy couldn't be the bad guy.https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...-are-black-stormtroopers-in-star-wars/383259/
My own background: My first memory is of Vader opening his pod in Empire Strikes Back -- and as an adult I got to study writing for film with the man who put it on celluloid in the first place. I grew up with Star Wars and had many of the toys. I used to watch the movies with my father just about any time they were on television, and then on VHS when we got a VCR. I became a novelist and explored screenwriting, went to USC for both, took enough classes in the latter to decide to focus on the former. My favorite Star Wars moment is probably when, during class, Kersh was talking about improvisation and writing on the fly, collaborating with actors to change dialogue.
"And there was one character who said, 'I love you,' and he was supposed to respond 'I'll be back,' and it just wasn't working. So we started talking it through, and he had this wonderful idea, and when she said 'I love you,' he just said 'I know,' and it worked! Because he knew the character!"
He never mentioned the characters' names. But we knew.
Anyway.
Neither Star Wars nor Disney needs redemption. Provided, I would have encouraged a tad more editing, particularly on the casino planet, but I truly thought it was, note for note, up there with the original trilogy in terms of how well it was crafted and the story itself put together. I think I'd put it at third among all the installments, just ahead of Return of the Jedi, and it would be farther ahead with that better editing.
My favorite part was Luke's early line where he asks Rey if she expects him to just take on the Empire with nothing but a laser sword -- and then that's exactly what he does. It was such a brilliant pay off.
I think that idea of pay off is important, though. People seem to forget on what a somber note Empire ended and with such a cliffhanger. Luke had just lost his hand, the major revelation of his bloodline, Han in carbonite . . . it's gutting. The Last Jedi wasn't so gutting, but it was certainly somber (to see Luke pass on into the Force) and Rey coming into her Force powers herself.
And as much as I thought the casino sequence could be sliced and diced, it introduced two really powerful ideas. First with the idea that the Force can be a question of sensitivity, and maybe it's not midichlorians or parental lineage. Maybe it's partly random and partly training -- and sets up movement of the story beyond the Skywalker family and into a broader and more exciting universe. And second with the idea Benicio del Toro's character introduces regarding the Empire, Rebellion, and war.
I haven't seen Solo yet, but I seriously can't wait for IX.
"And there was one character who said, 'I love you,' and he was supposed to respond 'I'll be back,' and it just wasn't working. So we started talking it through, and he had this wonderful idea, and when she said 'I love you,' he just said 'I know,' and it worked! Because he knew the character!"
He never mentioned the characters' names. But we knew.
Anyway.
Neither Star Wars nor Disney needs redemption. Provided, I would have encouraged a tad more editing, particularly on the casino planet, but I truly thought it was, note for note, up there with the original trilogy in terms of how well it was crafted and the story itself put together. I think I'd put it at third among all the installments, just ahead of Return of the Jedi, and it would be farther ahead with that better editing.
My favorite part was Luke's early line where he asks Rey if she expects him to just take on the Empire with nothing but a laser sword -- and then that's exactly what he does. It was such a brilliant pay off.
I think that idea of pay off is important, though. People seem to forget on what a somber note Empire ended and with such a cliffhanger. Luke had just lost his hand, the major revelation of his bloodline, Han in carbonite . . . it's gutting. The Last Jedi wasn't so gutting, but it was certainly somber (to see Luke pass on into the Force) and Rey coming into her Force powers herself.
And as much as I thought the casino sequence could be sliced and diced, it introduced two really powerful ideas. First with the idea that the Force can be a question of sensitivity, and maybe it's not midichlorians or parental lineage. Maybe it's partly random and partly training -- and sets up movement of the story beyond the Skywalker family and into a broader and more exciting universe. And second with the idea Benicio del Toro's character introduces regarding the Empire, Rebellion, and war.
I haven't seen Solo yet, but I seriously can't wait for IX.
My thinking as well. Solo was "just ok" but I've ranged from "love" (Rogue One) to "like" on the films. They're a trillion times better than the prequels IMO.
Surely you exaggerate just a bit.
I'd accept 1000 times better.Anyhow, I agree about Rogue One - fantastic film and one that hit me in the feels at the end.
True. Revenge of the Sith was really enjoyable.Surely you exaggerate just a bit.
Same!
Surely you exaggerate just a bit.
Anyhow, I agree about Rogue One - fantastic film and one that hit me in the feels at the end.
True. Revenge of the Sith was really enjoyable.
Same!
Rogue One is like watching the real Star Wars Episode 3.
Rogue One is like watching the real Star Wars Episode 3.
Oh, what if this HAD been the case, but there had still been three prequels:
- One prequel that tells the story of Anakin Skywalker, from young child to birth of Vader.
- One prequel that functioned as a political thriller explaining the origins of the Empire vs the Rebellion in the context of the Jedi/Sith construct, including Palpatine's usurpation of power.
- Rogue One.
I really think that part of the problem with the prequels was that it stretched what would have easily been one movie into three, but then still left whole swaths of story unexplored. Nothing really made great sense and all we really learned about Anakin was that he didn't like sand.
That could have led into the original trilogy, with the current trilogy wrapping up the Skywalker saga WHILE resolving the Sith/Empire conflict. IX could have been Rey and Kylo training together under Leia to bring balance to the Force (and universe).
(And, for that matter, still could be. With some Force ghost Luke, Obi-Wan, AND Anakin for good measure. Imagine how it would affect Kylo to commune with Vader . . . only to discover Anakin.)
ETA - That political thriller prequel could have been the story of Obi-Wan -- a Ben Kenobi/James Bond-esque sort of story. And thereby set up what happened to him between Sith and New Hope.
I like that.
In my view, the problem with Episides 1-3 was not the basis of these stories, but the telling of them, the chosen content, and mostly episode 3. I was really disgusted at how it showed Anakin turn to the dark side. I never bought it as displayed. And I was infuriated when Obiwon did not finish him off when the opportunity laid before him.
So the trailer for episode 9 is out. I like it. Seems like it’s heading back in the direction Abrams set out for episode 7 (at least visually) and teases at least one surprise. I’m squarely in the camp that views episode 8 as a pretty big stinker and left nothing for anyone to draw upon for anticipation of what might happen in the next episode. So it might have the unintended benefit of letting Abrams ignore episode 8 in the same way episode 8 either ignored or quickly disposed of what episode 7 tried to set up. We’ll see.
George Lucas is a consultant on Episode IX
Lucas is an all-time great storyteller. It's the directing and screenwriting that are somewhat lacking and ruined the prequel.
Lucas is an all-time great storyteller. It's the directing and screenwriting that are somewhat lacking and ruined the prequel.
“You’re disliking it wrong!”. That’s a new one.
The parts people are most excited about in Episode 9 (OT shoutouts), are the parts that don't have anything to do with the garbage of Episode 7 and 8.
Can you elaborate on this? Are you referring to some of the criticism that was thrown towards a few of the characters based on who or what they are?
I thought the movie was absolute garbage. Slow speed chase through space and the General mary popping it through space, give me a freaking break. From that point on, the movie lost me and never got me back. I have only seen it once and that was enough for me.
I have low expectations for Episode 9, very low expectations. I liked JJ's last outing, it was tolerable, not my favorite, but definitely not my least favorite.
I meant they were screaming about "the SJWs" are taking over and attacking the role of female leads for being female and threatening white men. This is some what I have read...
I am pessimistic about episode 9 based on what came before it, weak writing based on way to many recycled ideas. I believe fans did not want to relive episodes 4-6, at least not story wise, they wanted the Star Wars magic achieved with Rogue One, but to be taken into a fresh new Star Wars adventure they could love, like a child. Imo, so far, they have not gotten that.I am cautiously optimistic for Episode IX
I have to admit though, the end of the trailer gave me goosebumps
I blame Abrams and Disney. They had all the opportunity and the budget, but they just did not have it in them to forge into new original territory, too risky I guess, so let’s fall back on what worked before. In the process they short changed the SWs Universe, to fill their purses. Story purity? HaHa, who needs that?
I am pessimistic about episode 9 based on what came before it, weak writing based on way to many recycled ideas. I believe fans did not want to relive episodes 4-6, at least not story wise, they wanted the Star Wars magic achieved with Rogue One, but to be taken into a fresh new Star Wars adventure they could love, like a child. Imo, so far, they have not gotten that.
I blame Abrams and Disney. They had all the opportunity and the budget, but they just did not have it in them to forge into new original territory, too risky I guess, so let’s fall back on what worked before. In the process they short changed the SWs Universe, to fill their purses. Story purity? HaHa, who needs that?
I think that people view the old movies with rose colored glasses. Too many people also feel entitled, they think the story should go the way they think.
Objectively, there's nothing really visionary about Star Wars. The only truly visionary thing that Lucas did was holding on to the merchandising rights. The story itself is a mix or inspiration of a bunch of already existing stories except that the setting is changed to space.
Rogue One was good but not because it had some kind of magic in it or a great story, it was good because it had good performances by the actors. Also because a 90 seconds or so scene redeemed Vader despite the fact that Lucas has spent 3 movies completely destroying the characters' legacy.