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I think you will be able to shut some trolls by recording a video.

Unlikely. And I'm not arguing no one is having problems, only that I (and many others) are not. And there are plenty of others here on this very forum who are having no problems, so video proof from me is hardly necessary. :)
 
I actually only own a couple MAC products. I am more of a PC user myself. If you don't like it, take it back. It is called common sense. If you own a business, and you are selling products that have issues, you either fix it, or you lose a ton of money. Apple is a business who can do whatever they want just like anyone else. They don't have to do anything for you. If you don't like their products, don't buy them and return what you have. It is that simple.

Actually, I own a business myself, and I did return it, so I didn't lose a ton of money. Apple should do the same. In fact I got a full refund and a waiver of the restocking fee. I feel good that I robbed Steve Jobs back.
 
The hope of a fix and the fact it costs them money to return it. It would be 'stupid' to return it if they are going to fix the issue, and obviously there is no chance of it getting fixed if people aren't complaining.

So stand out of the way and you get your turn to bitch if the bitching continues after the return windows are closed.

But that's just it...it DOESN'T cost money to return a DEFECTIVE item. I've not seen AT&T nor Apple charge a restocking fee to return a defective item, ever. I'm not even sure if that's legal to do, as long as the item can be shown repeatably to be defective. Buyer's remorse is different (when you just change your mind about not wanting a perfectly functioning device). In that case they can charge you a restocking fee.
 
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I have No Issues

I've gripped my phone tightly now many times in different states and I have never lost signal strength. And I haven't dropped a call because of it yet. Is everyone here really having this problem? Am I getting lucky or are the few who have a problem complaining loudest?
 
I get it. In your location, the signal drop and more sensitive external antenna causes you to drop the call. Now return the phone and go back the the older iPhone or buy another phone.
Great, send my a blank check and I promise to only fill it out for the amount of real money will lose doing that, I won't even charge you for my time.

I am done discussing this.
If only that turns out to be true.
 
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Just return the phone and wait awhile. Best thing to do is to allow people in your area to get the phone and see if they are having problems. I know at least 4 people that have the phone where I live and they don't seems to have any problems. It could be your area. If it's a hardware issue, just simply return it.
 
I have.

And your point is? That we should assume that return policy has changed without official word from the company before hand? Seriously?

I am simply going on the first hand experiences related by more than 20 users of this forum. Who cares what the policy is...Perhaps you are anxious to join the class and get your free bumper in 2 years.

And neither are you - again, your point?

I am, but I am very relaxed and happy.
 
But that's just it...it DOESN'T cost money to return a DEFECTIVE item. I've not seen AT&T nor Apple charge a restocking fee to return a defective item, ever. I'm not even sure if that's legal to do, as long as the item can be shown repeatably to be defective. Buyer's remorse is different (when you just change your mind about not wanting a perfectly functioning device). In that case they can charge you a restocking fee.

Apple says there is no problem and thus no defects in the phone and as such, you ARE HIT WITHE THE RESTOCKING FEE

This is what people have experienced when returning their iphone 4's so far AND what I have been told on the phone:cool:

I didn't wait in like for 12+ hrs with the intent on bringing it back so buyer's remorse doesn't apply to me
 
Actually, I own a business myself, and I did return it, so I didn't lose a ton of money. Apple should do the same. In fact I got a full refund and a waiver of the restocking fee. I feel good that I robbed Steve Jobs back.

:cool:
 
But it's the internet. It's important.

The iPhone 4 is nice. But "It is just a phone. Not worth it." also serves as a pretty accurate review. If you need a phone, it's good. If you need EVERYTHING, it's not for you.

Funny how Steve doesn't say it's just a phone when he is on stage announcing it. Maybe at the next keynote he does he should proclaim "iPhone 5, it's just a phone."
 
But that's just it...it DOESN'T cost money to return a DEFECTIVE item. I've not seen AT&T nor Apple charge a restocking fee to return a defective item, ever. I'm not even sure if that's legal to do, as long as the item can be shown repeatably to be defective. Buyer's remorse is different (when you just change your mind about not wanting a perfectly functioning device). In that case they can charge you a restocking fee.

Don't be obtuse - you know that Apple is saying they aren't defective - 'the customer is NOT always right' with modern day Apple, and if Apple says they aren't defective why would AT&T say they were?

Get Apple and AT&T say they are offering real full cost restitution to all that are unhappy and want to return their phones and you might have a point.

If you don't then you are just adding to the noise.
 
It's almost impossible to not touch it there.

1) when using the phone, I hold it in my left hand, as I'm right handed and need to keep my right hand free to open doors, etc. If I don't hold it there, it feels like it will slip out of my hand, and I'm pretty sure Apple won't give me a new one if I smash it.

2) when using it running apps, I hold it in my left hand.

In short, it's designed so as to be touched in exactly the spot it shouldn't be touched. The NUMEROUS photos of steve jobs holding it that way, ads showing people holding it that way, etc., should prove that to you.

I appreciate what you are saying, I really do. But to say that "it's almost impossible to not touch it there," is too much. With your left hand, you could hold it between your thumb, index and middle finger in a "tripod" type of grip well above the area in question. You aren't forced to wrap your hand around it.

Or you could just put a case on it and avoid the problem all together.

To bring up the ads or the way Jobs holds it is also a bit much. Do you get mad at Burger King when the Whopper looks nothing like the pictures in the ads? Of course not, you just eat it anyway. The ads weren't created to demonstrate how to hold the phone, they were created to make people want the phone.
 
Apple says there is no problem and thus no defects in the phone and as such, you ARE HIT WITHE THE RESTOCKING FEE

This is what people have experienced when returning their iphone 4's so far AND what I have been told on the phone:cool:

There are at least 5 people in this thread who say otherwise. Not a single person that tried to return the phone and had to pay the fee. In some case they were asked to , but when they told them the phone did not work, the fee was waived. People have relayed this same experience at both Apple and AT&T stores. I do not believe Best Buy and wal-mart ever charge a restocking fee.
 
I think you will be able to shut some trolls by recording a video.

I just ran a test using the SpeedTest app, with wifi turned off:

iPhone sitting on desk: 1.87 down/1.62 up

iPhone in Death Grip: 1.45 down/1.57 up

iPhone sitting on desk again: 1.06 down/1.63 up


The third test was to show that speed variations using this testing method are normal and the drop from test 1 to test 2 was not necessarily due to antenna blocking.
 
You sir, are a moron. Since Steve Jobs took the helm of Apple, their stock price has been steadily increasing. Unless Jobs does something completely dumb (e.g., Tony Hayward), this trend will probably continue. Just go to an Apple store on a weekend and see the zoo in there. Just because a few of your techie friends are returning the iPhone doesn't mean the mass number of consumers who LOVE apple products will. As far as I'm concerned, Android is something that only techies love.


First - you are sorely misinformed - it is not just "techies" who are getting Android. You keep buying that Apple stock (which happens to be down at the moment) - as the iOS share of the mobile marketplace takes a dive and the Android shares continues to skyrocket (see link below) there's no way it won't take a hit.

https://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/3...ead-in-mobile-data-usage-but-android-surging/

If Jobs' insensitive and rude customer service tactics translate to the rest of his company, Apple will be as worthless as it was before your savior took over.
 
I just ran a test using the SpeedTest app, with wifi turned off:

iPhone sitting on desk: 1.87 down/1.62 up

iPhone in Death Grip: 1.45 down/1.57 up

iPhone sitting on desk again: 1.06 down/1.63 up


The third test was to show that speed variations using this testing method are normal and the drop from test 1 to test 2 was not necessarily due to antenna blocking.

Now do one standing on your head and sipping a latte through a straw. ;)
 
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Bunch of whiners. Quit buying the product if you feel this way or wait for the next gen. SIMPLE. I know people that are anti-Apple, and it is for this very reason you guys are whining about. STOP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS. SIMPLE.
 
I've gripped my phone tightly now many times in different states and I have never lost signal strength. And I haven't dropped a call because of it yet. Is everyone here really having this problem? Am I getting lucky or are the few who have a problem complaining loudest?

I 100% believe you that your iPhone 4 works perfectly. I was at the Apple store yesterday and tried out 3 iPhone 4's. All of them were on wifi. I gripped 2 of the phones in my left hand and placed my thumb over the top area where the buttons are. 2 of them dropped signal completely. On the 3rd one I did the same test and it didn't drop AT ALL, not even one signal bar. I gripped it with both hands and covered it as much as I could with my bare hands and still no drop in signal. That shows me that not every iPhone 4 has this problem but 2 out of 3 does sorta prove the majority does.
 
First - you are sorely misinformed - it is not just "techies" who are getting Android. You keep buying that Apple stock (which happens to be down at the moment)

Um, Google stock is also down at the moment. ZOMG ANDROID FAIL!!! :rolleyes:
 
Which law of physics makes it so iPhone 4 is the phone which suffers the greatest attenuation when held in the hand, 10x worse than the iPhone 3GS ? :rolleyes:

And yet only 1.8 times as bad as the Nexus One. Personally I think the 3GS numbers might be erroneously low, I'd like to see more data.
 
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