Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

[kiwi031]

doesnt bill gates/microsoft own a large percentage of apples stock rendering the companys decisions somewhat limiting? somebody correct me on this, but ive had friends tell me microsoft owns a large chunk of apples stock so they cant do whatever they like.

either way though, no matter what apple is making, its peanuts compared to microsoft.

Quick research shows MS owns no Apple stock, and what they did own was non-voting stock. Even if the stock they did own was full voting, they still wouldn't get a say on the company's day to day direction, such as their marketing or products.

Most interestingly, in the next few years, Apple will be bigger than MS.
At the moment, Apple's revenue is 78% of MS's, and their Net Income is about 57%. And Apple's is growing exponentially, where as MS's is falling.

Four Years of Apple Unit & Revenue Graphs Illustrate Growth
http://www.macobserver.com/imgs/tmo_articles/20100125AppleRevenue.png

 

[furi0usbee]

It does the one multitasking function 90% of people actually use - iTunes keeps playing when you browse or play apps, and even better - it knows when to STOP multitasking - ie when the phone rings.

Can't think of another multitasking situation I really need....

Multitasking on a phone is pointless. I mean it's not really powerful to do anything you would want to multitask with. How many calculators, notepads and such do you want to work with at the same time? All apps open quickly with a touch, so are people too lazy to actually open it up again?

 

[tatonka]

My favorite thing about the Droids is that users always claim they are either as good, or better than an iPhone, and can't name one thing it does better.

How about customization .. I think we heard multi tasking .. open development plattform .. rapidly evolving as opposed to that freaking one year cycle .. fantastic screen (if we are talking about the Droid/Nexus hardware as well) .. wide choice of hardware (if we are talking about the Android plattform itself) .. FREEDOM OF CHOICE being the most important, no prima donna with his private upsets that dictates sh*t.

T.

 

[Schizoid]

did he kick a chair across the room?!

 

[Jowl]

I won't be buying more Mac hardware (iMac or Mini) until they feature a blu-ray drive.

I either want a quad-core iMac to rip blu-ray movies to HDD/NAS - or a mini to view blu-ray discs on.

I'm currently using a self-built Windows box to rip blu-ray (or will do, when I get around to fitting the drive)

Flash - Just don't see how iPad can be the 'best browsing experience' if half of the web is missing. I don't really care about Flash either way - but I DO want to be able to see all the sites I visit.

 

[DoFoT9]

Firstly video streaming and downloading are at inferior resolutions with phenomenal amounts of compression, even a DVD looks better any day - let alone the massive jump in detail from Blu-ray (sure there are those that whinge it is little different, but they are the same people that whinged DVD was no better than VHS back in the late nineties). Plus what about extras and commentaries?

compressed content annoys me. thus why i have no TV and thus why i never will hire them. ripped movies for me please.

Thirdly for years now Apple have provided us the tools to create high definition videos and productions with Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro, yet refuse to provide a way to actually publish said works (aside from their HD on DVD approach, which of course works on nothing but Macs).

is it really that hard for apple to add burning capabilities of HD movies to BD discs in DVDSP? does there really need to be all that copyright/law crap? i thought that was only for HDCP playback of the produced movies?

 

[Pika]

Flash sucks people... HTML5 is the future.

 

[kirky29]

Secondly many of us now live in a HD world - at least half our collections now Blu-ray, blu-ray players, HD televisions, HD displays, and HD computers (anything other than Apple that is). We've always been able to play our DVDs on anything we wished (including Apple products by paying a premium for a build-to-order SuperDrive), but now we're in a situation where half our movie collection's can't be played on our Macs anymore... despite them being the bees knees of audio and video?!

I don't own one Blue Ray DVD. I have 200+ DVD's, all on my Mac's external HDD and then I sync some to my Apple TV.
I can't say never.. but I don't see my anytime soon adopting Blue Ray. I don't see much point in it, DVD's were working fine, and we were all slowly moving to Digital, no need to create another type of DVD. Ah well

 

[HaXoR7Om]

Ahhh no. Apple paid Xerox to learn what it was developing, do more research boy. The internet is open.

I would love flash to be killed. This was also the same argument made against web browsing on the iPhone but guess what? The iPhone popularised mobile browsing...more people went online on their mobile now because of the iPhone. What i'd like to see is html5 getting adopted more.

Lol. Apple may have paid Xerox to learn about their GUI they had developed but theres no doubt that Apple took advantage and made millions in the long run for the thousands that Xerox got paid. It was a very poor management decision on Xerox's side and the poor developers got screwed over after making something they never got full credit for. The developers knew this would be disastrous but they had no say in it.

 

[Sambo110]

When I read that Mac's are going to be on a whole new level in 2010, I thought, damn, will have to wait a whole year then. But it's 2010 now . Hope that includes the iMac's.

 

[tatonka]

Multitasking on a phone is pointless. I mean it's not really powerful to do anything you would want to multitask with. How many calculators, notepads and such do you want to work with at the same time? All apps open quickly with a touch, so are people too lazy to actually open it up again?

No .. it is not about having them open at the same time .. it is about being able to switch forth and back quickly .. preserving the current state and with out having to go through a hole boot up process again.
I am listening to a podcast while playing NFS. I want to scrub forward through the advertisments. That means leave the game, fire up the ipod app, find the right spot .. then the games lost its state and has to restart (including the current progress being lost).
Or how about listening to Pandora/Last.fm instead of the ipod app? How about having the navigation app continuing on to catch what I do while changing the taking a call. How about having a messenger running or a skype call while checking the internet?

There are many ways multi tasking would be useful and I have missed more than once. Again .. how about giving the choice to me .. if i want to drain my battery why not let me do it? I am old enough, I don't want or need daddy to look after me anymore.

T.

 

[macadam212]

I use optical media all the time. As a graphic designer and photographer, projects and photo shoots get backed up to discs, as do clients receive a copy of the shoot for personal use. I've burned DVDs of divx compressed home movies along with pictures, which did not fit onto a single disc, which is where bluray would help. I have an incredible amount of downloaded content (tv shows, movies, etc) that belongs on bluray days, instead of taking up hard drive space on either my storage drive in my mac pro or my external which is primarily for backups. 50gb per disc to use as storage is a huge plus. Why wouldn anyone want to omit that?

The addition of watching bluray movies on my computer is another bonus, because as we all know, DVDs are eventually going to be phased out and bluray will take over completely.

I'm patiently waiting for bluray, its not a necessity for me yet, but I do see myself slapping a bluray burner into my mac eventually.

Optical media is on it's way out, Bluray is just the next mini disc.

 

[Flavioparentiq]

True. But you have to remember that back in the day Mac was superior to PC in hardware and software. PCs have closed the gap today and Mac Pros do not offer anything that is so much drastically better performance and stability wise. Adobe sees the shift form OS X to Windows when it comes to their CS software and they are just acknowledging it.

What I fear is that there is some bad blood between Apple and Adobe and that is why we don't see better support from Adobe. Maybe they are ditching Apple for Windows but maybe Apple is putting restrictions on Adobe, who knows, but one thing is for sure Apple does not have competing software to pair Adobe and they will never have. CS5 might give Windows even more advantage, we'll see.

There is a quite discussion in Mac Pro section about Apple leaving professional market in the dust for more consumer oriented. It hurts but that is the reality.

It hurts.

 

[08380728]

I won't be buying more Mac hardware (iMac or Mini) until they feature a blu-ray drive.

I'm not buying any more Mac's if they come with 2GB of ram.....booo hooo fsckin hoo to you.

mummy i want an ice-cream booo hoo hoo hooo

 

[kernkraft]

The more I read, the angrier I get

"On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says.

As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.

Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5."


God, that paranoid **** should be slapped on his face! Please, somebody change his pad!

I don't care what people will be using in the future. But when I buy a device, I care about the present. And presently, Flash is widespread. It is stupid to be judgemental. People use all sorts of crap. But this level of arrogance on Apple's side makes me furious.



What kind of weak monkeys sit at Apple's board? Why nobody has the courage to toss that old man aside? Please, Apple's HR reps - get me in! I would love to send that fool into that happy place!


I'm starting to feel genuine hate towards Apple at a level that I never felt about Microsoft.

(Unless you are from Apple, ignore me, I'm just ranting.)

 

[PeterQVenkman]

- New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level

Of pricing? I hope not!

 

[Journojulz]

I am listening to a podcast while playing NFS. I want to scrub forward through the advertisments. That means leave the game, fire up the ipod app, find the right spot .. then the games lost its state and has to restart (including the current progress being lost).
Or how about listening to Pandora/Last.fm instead of the ipod app? How about having the navigation app continuing on to catch what I do while changing the taking a call. How about having a messenger running or a skype call while checking the internet?

valid points.

games need a good pause function that allows you to resume on restart.

But what i wouldn't want is to be playing a graphics hungry game and have it run low or jerky because the processor is dong half a dozen other things at the same time.

Happy with iphone, multitasking isn't my dealbreaker, nor is flash ads.

 

[NJMetsHero]

If they really want to beat the sh*t out of Android, they'll go multi-carrier in the US. Android is already on 3 of the 4 major carriers and is coming to the 4th.

I'm very interested to see what this A+ iPhone upgrade will be. This is one of the reasons I love Android. It's good enough and growing fast enough that Apple has no choice but to up their game to keep selling iPhones. Competiton is fantastic for consumers.

 

[Journojulz]

I don't care what people will be using in the future. But when I buy a device, I care about the present. And presently, Flash is widespread. It is stupid to be judgemental. People use all sorts of crap. But this level of arrogance on Apple's side makes me furious.

Great rant, good to let it all out now and again.

But the real reason for no flash is it would compete against the app store and he needs to protect the investments made by developers and media studios.

a flash app emulator could pirate genuine give away apps and give them away for free

Its a reason i understand and can live with.

 

[WilliamLondon]

I love my AppleTV

Anyway, without Flash, the iPad will be as successful as the Apple TV.

If it is then I for one will love Apple that much more. I have an AppleTV, I use it every day, I love it, it's one of the best devices I ever bought. I got rid of cable 2 years ago and haven't missed it once. I watch all the latest television shows (no commercials!), I rip DVDs and beam them to my device - it's a brilliant device, so if the iPad provides 1/2 as much joy and utility as the AppleTV, it will be my pleasure to own one. Do I give a rat's ass how many of these they sell? Not really - as long as they keep producing useful products I'll keep buying and enjoying them, that's success to me.

 

[ppnkg]

e) By the way, have you ever heard for term "freedom of choice". I guess not...


For the end, dear Steve, you lost one customer due to your arrogance, hypocrisy and blindness and I am sure I won't be the only or last customer you are going to loose. Perhaps it doesn't really matter to you since you live in your own little bubble world which might not burst soon, but frankly, with such attitude it is just question of time - but hey, such is life


All the best with iPad, HTML5 and lazy things...

now that you've exercised your freedom of choice, what are you doing in this forum exactly?

 

[steve-p]

Just read your link..

You've wrongly and hugely misinterpreted your own propaganda there.

The 0.64% represents all operating systems, desktop and mobile, so if we're talking about how much marketshare in the mobile market only, I'd guess it's going to be a fair few times higher than 0.64%.

No, you've wrongly and hugely misinterpreted the context of the post it was a response to, which was talking about the Internet in general, not mobile browsing. I'm not talking about just the mobile market, what's that got to do with anything? That's the whole point - it's insignificant right now compared to desktops and laptops. It makes no difference if iPhone is 100% of the mobile market, when that market itself is a tiny part of web usage.

 

[MrSmith]

...but now we're in a situation where half our movie collection's can't be played on our Macs anymore... despite them being the bees knees of audio and video?!

Once we graduate from our bedrooms who the hell wants to play movies on a computer?

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

now that you've exercised your freedom of choice, what are you doing in this forum exactly?

LOL-ing at Steve and at comments and replies such as yours!?

Besides being Mac user for a decade ofc...

 

[tomjleeds]

Multitasking on a phone is pointless. I mean it's not really powerful to do anything you would want to multitask with. How many calculators, notepads and such do you want to work with at the same time? All apps open quickly with a touch, so are people too lazy to actually open it up again?

Heard of apps which use a data connection? IM clients, IRC, VoIP, music streaming...the list goes on. There's also loading times to consider.

Once we graduate from our bedrooms who the hell wants to play movies on a computer?

Don't know about you, but I spend a fair bit of time travelling for work, and it's nice to be able to play movies on my laptop rather than watching whatever ****** movie is on TV in the wrong language.