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I think some developers over at XBMC are working on a MakeMKV port into their software, which would mean blu-ray playback on the mac.

That said, what do you really need it for? It's too expensive and on-demand blows it away. People want reasonably priced pay-for-play (that's what all the media companies want as well). Why would Apple try to cannibalize their own business plans to add blu-ray? Think about it.

FYI, the next flash revision will be able to compile App Store apps. I wonder if adobe will also include the ability to compile HTML 5 in CS5 as well. Flash could be a moot point in the next year or so.
 
Why buy an iPad this summer if their is a new iPhone coming out? All the hardcore fans prob already switched to 3GS and those contracts are not up, so are we going to have to choose between new iPhone or iPad? Either way we will get 4.0!

Why don't you learn how to spell ("there" not "their") and get half a clue. The iPad and iPhone are NOT mutually exclusive products. The iPad does not require 3G or even a contract if it does, and is pre-pay. There will also be a huge number of apps designed exclusively on the iPad. So there's no "conflict of interest." A person could own and simultaneously use both products.
 
The only loser here is the customer.

if you allow flash - the app developers would suffer revenue loss - and then we would suffer because they wouldn't have the money to make better apps.

Ditto iBooks, movies, music and tv shows.

Flash = $25 handguns in pawnbrokers.

Freedom that ultimately diminishes freedom.
 
I love the honesty that he displayed and I agree 100% about browser crashes caused by Flash. Every single time Safari or Firefox crashes its because of Flash (On my machine). I hate flash so much and cannot wait for HTML5 to take over for online video which is where I view Flash 99% of the time.

Check this out!

Since using it, I have a silent computer again. Every time I left Safari open overnight, those bloody flash ads drew all the computing power an the fans went on constantly.

Now all of a sudden the Web is fine with me and my Uptime is seriously improved.
 
Easy buddy. Seems like someone's CEO is on the offensive after his new product has gotten torched. How about we don't build up everyone's expectations again? Just do what you normally do. Stay hush hush and then deliver a good product. It's worked in the past and should work again.

Torched? No.

Shock and anbsolute frenzy?

Absolutely. That's what's happening here. Future shock.
 
Share whatever it is you're smoking!

Guy has lost the plot - sadly :(

Sooner he goes better for Apple and consumers alike!

What the heck are you smoking, because it's obviously strong, strong, strong, and I'm jealous as hell and want some! That's just the kind of high I want, though I'm not sure I could ever get so high to think that Steve Jobs is anything but the best CEO in the world right now, which is supported by many credible organisations like Fortune Magazine, Harvard Business Review.
 
There are 3 questions to be answered Flash, Google, & BD

1st question (biggest question) - is flash dead -> no. First flash dominates the net multimedia sector. It runs well on windows p.c. which are the majority of computers (the last time i used a windows p.c. was a year ago so i can not comment on how it runs now on p.c. however i suspect nothing has changed). You can also run it on mac. I do not have that many problems with flash since i unselect allow plugins thus giving me control of when I would like plugins loaded by selected the option again. Some websites that I visit do require flash. Also, looking outside the bubble the net is starting to be surfed by phones more & more. Adobe is set to release flash on several smart phones this year wino, google, palm pre, nokia to name a few. HTML 5 is not a reality and with the economy the way it is now, I do not suspect that HTML 5 will take for at least another 2 years. So we are going to have to figure something out. Also with slates/tablets coming up. Apple will be the only one not supporting flash. The google slates (many types), joojoo, & win 7 slates (many types) will support flash. So, instead of alienating the adobe company there will have to be a resolution. I suspect the issue is more a bottom line issue (money for apple basically the same reason there is not BD on mac). Granted no flash will not be ipads only thing that it lacks but it is 1 more thing.

2nd question google - google is not microsoft. Google will take over the smartphone market and the tablet market. Google gives you several options while apple gives you one option. Google is more open vs closed apple. They are not like microsoft since they also give people the option to buy the google branded phone. Once they hit the slate/tablet market it will take off. 3 qi screen option, multiple different size screens, full internet support including flash, camera, multiple service carrier option, etc. In the end people do like innovation but they also love several options. I will probably buy the low end pad but i will probably sell it once the google tablet (notion ink) comes out with their tablet with a 3 qi screen (aka dual screen with e-ink & regular color). Silly to think that anyone could actually say that reading backlit screen for a long period of time is acceptable or healthy for your eyes. I will probably even use the 3 qi screen to surf the net so that I can give my eyes some rest.

3rd BD - no brainer. BD is king and sale numbers confirm it. Once again alienation from apple. Who would like to pay for the bd. version and the downloaded itunes version???? Get real bd. is here to stay. Games are made in BD and BD rules the movie market. So put bd. on the macs so that we can watch movies when we travel. There are no bd. portables yet so putting bd. in a mac as an option is a great idea. If you do not want bd. fine do not but it but give me the option to purchase it. What is up with mac not giving people an option. I feel stuck use either 1. great os mac os X but you have very little to no options or 2. use win 7 aka an ok os but have several option from software to hardware?

Alienation does not work. It did not work for Bush and it surely will not work for apple. Apple put intel in their computers to attract more p.c. customers so I know apple can give the people an option so that it can attract more customers.
 
plus Apple would have to pay the 4 cents per device and $10,000 annual licensing fee for HDMI. The horror! We all know they'd pass that cost on to the consumer anyway.

Macs already ship with HDCP-enabled DisplayPort. I don’t think they’d have to pay for HDMI at all.
 
Seems to me as though Apple is on point. I kept wondering why Adobe CS wasn't implemented. That alone would've sold the tablet in record numbers. I'm pretty sure that that's what they were counting on too. When they showed brush for mac, they said an artist can literally walk around with his / her canvas. I was all excited thinking "ok Adobe is next" and to my dismay nothing! They definitely wanted to go this route, the route I have been saying they would go for the past year. It seems Adobe is screwing up the process. Even for those of you that need flash so badly, they are messing it up for you too.
I also said the so called google phone thing was a joke and a poor attempt at trying to steal the steam from the iphone. I still will never forget how the day Apple announced the iphone, the head of google must've paid someone a pretty penny for some air time so he could get in front of a camera and basically say "Oh we are doing this too, except it's going to be an OS for every phone" like a big kid. It was ridiculous then and it is ridiculous now. Google stinks and they need o take their jealousy elsewhere and Adobe needs to put the pedal to the medal. Makes you wonder if Adobe is purposely withholding their tech from Apple. I don't see why they would, because by having their software run on an Apple they are getting exposure, so why not? Brushes would work, but it is not the industry standard . . :mad:
 
Honestly I don't know why people want blu-ray in their notebooks so badly

With video streaming and downloading what is the point?

I rather they just remove the optical and use the space for something else

This. Thank you. The fewer shiny coasters to put in boxes in the corner of the basement the better.
 
You have to forgive Neph, He is skilled worker with flash and this decision actually affects his livelyhood.

If flash is abandoned, his skills will be wasted - noone wants that for a fellow creative human being .

Sadly flash makes piracy of apps and media too easy to allow on the ipad/iphone.

If he had been an app developer, he would no doubt feel differently about a system that allows his year's work to be pirated and given away free the day it is launched.

The luddites/miners had a point - their families would suffer.

But sadly that is the way the world moves forward.
 
Honestly I don't know why people want blu-ray in their notebooks so badly

With video streaming and downloading what is the point?

I rather they just remove the optical and use the space for something else
I wish I could rent movies from iTunes, but I don't live in the US so if I want HD movies the only way is either piracy or Blu-Ray.
 
What the heck are you smoking, because it's obviously strong, strong, strong, and I'm jealous as hell and want some! That's just the kind of high I want, though I'm not sure I could ever get so high to think that Steve Jobs is anything but the best CEO in the world right now, which is supported by many credible organisations like Fortune Magazine, Harvard Business Review.

He was - yes...

But not any more - he has turned into paranoid old fart who is picking fights left and right for his own ego sake.

Sooner he goes better for everyone - including shares holders who will experience some major dives in near future...
 
Hello! Anybody home. The rumors mills like Macrumors and AI sold you the hype. Apple did stay hush hush. Shhhhhhhh!

Hello! Maybe you should read? Steve Jobs telling people (including media people) that the TamPad is the most important thing he HAS EVER WORKED ON is NOT keeping expectations hush hush/tempered. It may be keeping the product hush hush but it is not limiting hype. And the hype is all I am suggesting he tone down...
 
There are 3 questions to be answered Flash, Google, & BD

1st question (biggest question) - is flash dead -> no. First flash dominates the net multimedia sector. It runs well on windows p.c. which are the majority of computers (the last time i used a windows p.c. was a year ago so i can not comment on how it runs now on p.c. however i suspect nothing has changed). You can also run it on mac. I do not have that many problems with flash since i unselect allow plugins thus giving me control of when I would like plugins loaded by selected the option again. Some websites that I visit do require flash. Also, looking outside the bubble the net is starting to be surfed by phones more & more. Adobe is set to release flash on several smart phones this year wino, google, palm pre, nokia to name a few. HTML 5 is not a reality and with the economy the way it is now, I do not suspect that HTML 5 will take for at least another 2 years. So we are going to have to figure something out. Also with slates/tablets coming up. Apple will be the only one not supporting flash. The google slates (many types), joojoo, & win 7 slates (many types) will support flash. So, instead of alienating the adobe company there will have to be a resolution. I suspect the issue is more a bottom line issue (money for apple basically the same reason there is not BD on mac). Granted no flash will not be ipads only thing that it lacks but it is 1 more thing.

2nd question google - google is not microsoft. Google will take over the smartphone market and the tablet market. Google gives you several options while apple gives you one option. Google is more open vs closed apple. They are not like microsoft since they also give people the option to buy the google branded phone. Once they hit the slate/tablet market it will take off. 3 qi screen option, multiple different size screens, full internet support including flash, camera, multiple service carrier option, etc. In the end people do like innovation but they also love several options. I will probably buy the low end pad but i will probably sell it once the google tablet (notion ink) comes out with their tablet with a 3 qi screen (aka dual screen with e-ink & regular color). Silly to think that anyone could actually say that reading backlit screen for a long period of time is acceptable or healthy for your eyes. I will probably even use the 3 qi screen to surf the net so that I can give my eyes some rest.

3rd BD - no brainer. BD is king and sale numbers confirm it. Once again alienation from apple. Who would like to pay for the bd. version and the downloaded itunes version???? Get real bd. is here to stay. Games are made in BD and BD rules the movie market. So put bd. on the macs so that we can watch movies when we travel. There are no bd. portables yet so putting bd. in a mac as an option is a great idea. If you do not want bd. fine do not but it but give me the option to purchase it. What is up with mac not giving people an option. I feel stuck use either 1. great os mac os X but you have very little to no options or 2. use win 7 aka an ok os but have several option from software to hardware?

Alienation does not work. It did not work for Bush and it surely will not work for apple. Apple put intel in their computers to attract more p.c. customers so I know apple can give the people an option so that it can attract more customers.

Very good post sir :)
 
But not any more - he has turned into paranoid old fart who is picking fights left and right for his own ego sake.

no, for the sake of app developers and media partners.

Most flash use is just video streaming - thats like taking your ferrari down the shops

What flash can do is amazing - sadly that includes piracy of to so far secure app-software.

Someone creative like you could rip off a great app in a week and give it away for nothing on an unregulated website - this would rob the developer of the revenue to feed its workers.

Apple must protect those that make its content.

I understand your feelings totally.
Noone likes to see their skill sets threatened.
 
You have to forgive Neph, He is skilled worker with flash and this decision actually affects his livelyhood.

If flash is abandoned, his skills will be wasted - noone wants that for a fellow creative human being .

Sadly flash makes piracy of apps and media too easy to allow on the ipad/iphone.

If he had been an app developer, he would no doubt feel differently about a system that allows his year's work to be pirated and given away free the day it is launched.

The luddites/miners had a point - their families would suffer.

But sadly that is the way the world moves forward.

eeeeeeeee :D

I'll quote your signature sir:

"The things that make the iPad so revolutionary are the things that have been left out. This is the computer our parents have been waiting for us to show them."

Almost spot on really...

You see I was hoping to get decent tablet device for myself - not my parents - that's the whole issue :mad:
 
HTML5 is going nowhere until IE support it, this might never happen.

and flash works fine on my macs.

LOL. IE is going the way of the dodo.

IE 8 already supports parts of HTML5, and Microsoft has already announced that IE 9 will support additional parts of the draft spec. What we don’t know is if Microsoft will support the <video> tags spec in IE9. I would bet they do.

Microsoft hates Flash just as much as Apple and Google.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/11/18/an-early-look-at-ie9-for-developers.aspx

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/microsoft_announces_ie9_html5_css4_javascript_performance.php

http://blogs.msdn.com/giorgio/archive/2009/11/29/ie8-and-html-5.aspx
 
1st question (biggest question) - is flash dead -> no. First flash dominates the net multimedia sector. It runs well on windows p.c. which are the majority of computers (the last time i used a windows p.c. was a year ago so i can not comment on how it runs now on p.c. however i suspect nothing has changed). You can also run it on mac. I do not have that many problems with flash since i unselect allow plugins thus giving me control of when I would like plugins loaded by selected the option again. Some websites that I visit do require flash. Also, looking outside the bubble the net is starting to be surfed by phones more & more. Adobe is set to release flash on several smart phones this year wino, google, palm pre, nokia to name a few. HTML 5 is not a reality and with the economy the way it is now, I do not suspect that HTML 5 will take for at least another 2 years. So we are going to have to figure something out. Also with slates/tablets coming up. Apple will be the only one not supporting flash. The google slates (many types), joojoo, & win 7 slates (many types) will support flash. So, instead of alienating the adobe company there will have to be a resolution. I suspect the issue is more a bottom line issue (money for apple basically the same reason there is not BD on mac). Granted no flash will not be ipads only thing that it lacks but it is 1 more thing.
He never said Flash is DEAD, he said it’s dying. And it is—Flash enabled viewers are going down year-over-year at surprisingly high rates. Much like the push to make sites standards compliant as Firefox gained marketshare, this will be the same. Web developers can no longer rely on all users having Flash, and those sites that don’t work on Flash-lacking platforms will be a turn-off for users. Users don’t care about Flash in and of itself, or in keeping web development simple for developers—they care about their sites working.

Or, think of it like this: USB was a dead-in-the-water standard in 1998, hardly deployed anywhere. Then Apple used it as the only accepted external devices interface for the one of the most popular individual personal computer models ever the next year... and it exploded. Now it’s everywhere.

Adobe bought Flash because it was everywhere. It was everywhere because it was the first thing to fill in the “rich media” gap in web standards. Much like RealPlayer, it has nowhere to go but down now that more flexible standards are on the way. As HTML5 video, CSS transforms and animation and 3D in the browser mature, there will be less and less need for Flash. And as the number of non-Flash-enabled clients continue to rise, the demand for developers to use these technologies will increase.

I think Adobe made a foolish purchase.

2nd question google - google is not microsoft. Google will take over the smartphone market and the tablet market. Google gives you several options while apple gives you one option. Google is more open vs closed apple. They are not like microsoft since they also give people the option to buy the google branded phone. Once they hit the slate/tablet market it will take off. 3 qi screen option, multiple different size screens, full internet support including flash, camera, multiple service carrier option, etc. In the end people do like innovation but they also love several options. I will probably buy the low end pad but i will probably sell it once the google tablet (notion ink) comes out with their tablet with a 3 qi screen (aka dual screen with e-ink & regular color). Silly to think that anyone could actually say that reading backlit screen for a long period of time is acceptable or healthy for your eyes. I will probably even use the 3 qi screen to surf the net so that I can give my eyes some rest.
Most people seem to do it for ages these days and be fine with it. As long as you’re not reading a bright screen in the dark, it’s really not awful.

As for Google eventually “taking over,” that remains to be seen. I am extremely skeptical that “open” appeals to anyone who isn’t a tech-head. I actually agree with Fraser Speirs' take that “open” is the biggest PROBLEM with computing right now for the vast majority of “non-techies.” Again, not to say that there will never be a space for more traditional platforms, but... people don’t care about the idea of “open.” They care about whether something does what they want. If the iPhone/iPad does what they want, and you tell them wild-eyed that it’s not “open,” they’ll look at you like you’re crazy... because you are. ;)

3rd BD - no brainer. BD is king and sale numbers confirm it. Once again alienation from apple. Who would like to pay for the bd. version and the downloaded itunes version???? Get real bd. is here to stay. Games are made in BD and BD rules the movie market. So put bd. on the macs so that we can watch movies when we travel. There are no bd. portables yet so putting bd. in a mac as an option is a great idea. If you do not want bd. fine do not but it but give me the option to purchase it. What is up with mac not giving people an option. I feel stuck use either 1. great os mac os X but you have very little to no options or 2. use win 7 aka an ok os but have several option from software to hardware?

Alienation does not work. It did not work for Bush and it surely will not work for apple. Apple put intel in their computers to attract more p.c. customers so I know apple can give the people an option so that it can attract more customers.
Apple put Intel chips in their computers because PPC was a dead-end with lax chipmakers and Intel had a better roadmap.

I agree BD will come eventually, but I don’t think there’s nearly as much demand out there as you imply for BD in portable computers. As for games, there are no shipping games for personal computers that are on Blu-ray discs simply because the market penetration of BD-ROM drives is so low, just like the lag time with DVD and computer games in the late 90s/early 00s. The only platform with BD games is the PS3 because it’s the only platform where BD is guaranteed.

Implying that “no Blu-ray yet” on OS X == “no options” is exaggerating the case. Highly.
 
Who is downloading true HD video with 7.1 dts-hd and 1080p. Did not think so. BD is here and downloading movies from itunes is not. You would have to download 8 gigs to equal one bd. You would not have net access for days while you waited for it to download. The high speed net services can not handle the traffic. They can barely handle the streaming net, mp3 downloads and those downloading 720p movies with poor audio as it is. How are they going to handle you downloading BD movies??? Get real. If you do not want bd do not buy it. But give us the option, do not hold me down because you can not afford bd drive or can not see its utility
 
Honestly I don't know why people want blu-ray in their notebooks so badly

With video streaming and downloading what is the point?

I rather they just remove the optical and use the space for something else

Because quality from iTunes downloads is garbage.

I was playing around with an Apple TV in the Apple Store yesterday and could immediately tell the sample HD movies they had on the thing were not Blu Ray. The picture quality was crap compared to Blu Ray and I for one refuse to spend that sort of money on a TV and not watch the best possible video on it.
 
eeeeeeeee :D
You see I was hoping to get decent tablet device for myself - not my parents - that's the whole issue :mad:

We have Enoch's hammer in the local museum, heartlands of the Luddites. :D
You do feel for the human story.

I am sure HP will build a tablet for your folks - you need to be able to show them what you do, for you how bout a modbook?
 
Actual the hardware support and software support of apple is several magnitudes less than windows. Even expensive items like my high speed scanner will not run on my mac. I have to use windows just to use a scanner that cost my company 14k.
 
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