Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

[alberta-mac-fan]

Does anyone see why the investors booted him out of his own company the first time?

Agreed. He appears to have a narcissistic tendency to him doesn't he. Don't get me wrong, he has lead multiple companies through enormous success, but I think its going to his head.

My opinion: I think the biggest mistake apple is making is not developing good relations with Adobe. They should be working with adobe to make Flash work.

 

[fat phil]

Because quality from iTunes downloads is garbage.

I was playing around with an Apple TV in the Apple Store yesterday and could immediately tell the sample HD movies they had on the thing were not Blu Ray. The picture quality was crap compared to Blu Ray and I for one refuse to spend that sort of money on a TV and not watch the best possible video on it.

Man I gave up iTunes video downloads after downloading South Park.

I mean seriously, it's a cartoon - flat colours everywhere. It looked like something from YouTube.

That was a while ago admittedly, but until they start letting us preview the quality (not a trailer in a window), I'm not sold.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Someone creative like you could rip off a great app in a week and give it away for nothing on an unregulated website - this would rob the developer of the revenue to feed its workers.

Honestly, I am not sure what are you talking about...

1st - How on earth could any flash developer "rip" some commercial app out there!? Sure idea can be ripped anyway regardless what sort of developer you are...

2nd - There are already HUGE amounts of pirated apps out there and all you need is jail broken iPhone and torrent site to find anything you possibly wish. So issue of piracy is totally unrelated to Flash

3rd - Not sure if you are in touch with latest things but with Flash CS5 you will be able to export your projects as iPhone OS X applications and as such distribute them via app store (for free or at price)

Even before its release you can already download Flash based apps right now - here is a link:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/

Imagine amount of apps that will come out as soon as CS5 hits us!?!?!


So no...


You are missing the point


Point is that iPad is marketed as "best browsing experience" which is in fact exactly as I intended to use it - but its not to be due to obvious reason...

 

[Erwin-Br]

if you allow flash - the app developers would suffer revenue loss - and then we would suffer because they wouldn't have the money to make better apps.

Ditto iBooks, movies, music and tv shows.

Flash = $25 handguns in pawnbrokers.

Freedom that ultimately diminishes freedom.

Wrong. Without freedom, without alternatives, developers get lazy because they know people will buy their sh*t anyways.

Plus, what you're preaching here reeks of communism. Let the state (= Apple) determine what's good for us minions.

 

[AnalyzeThis]

What about disgusting Quicktime?

Wow Steve decided to go after Flash, but what about crap-ware called Quicktime?

We have Macs and Windows boxes at home. I never had any complains about Flash from any family members. But Quicktime is crashing all the time and its performance is way worse than Flash. Apple never heard of hardware acceleration on any platform.

Clean your house first Steve, before bashing others products... The reason you doing nothing about blu ray is because you cannot handle its stream bandwidth in CPU anymore and Mac OSX has no hardware acceleration in place, available for over 10 years. Talking about performance, LOL.

At very least, the on going "MAXI PAD" fiasco got him to crawl out of his cave.

 

[jaw04005]

Actual the hardware support and software support of apple is several magnitudes less than windows. Even expensive items like my high speed scanner will not run on my mac. I have to use windows just to use a scanner that cost my company 14k.

Apple doesn’t develop printer or scanner drivers for OS X. It’s the responsibility of the manufacturer.

I have a USB scanner from Epson that was made in 1998 that works great in Snow Leopard using the Image Capture application. No software even needed.

Canon, Epson, and Konica Minolta (just to name a few) are fairly good about continuing to maintain drivers.

 

[ibosie]

if you allow flash - the app developers would suffer revenue loss - and then we would suffer because they wouldn't have the money to make better apps.

Ditto iBooks, movies, music and tv shows.

Flash = $25 handguns in pawnbrokers.

Freedom that ultimately diminishes freedom.

I do have some sympathy for that view but there's also a huge amount of content that isn't replicated by app developers from which we are now excluded - at least on Apple's mobile devices.

 

[jamesryanbell]

Might as well say "I'm not going to support using gasoline in cars, because the world is moving to electric power......so we're taking out all of the gas pumps". Well, guess what....Flash makes of 75% of web video *THIS YEAR*, and that's when I want to use it.

 

[RaZaK]

Competition from Google Android is great but...

They are about 5 Android versions and hardware generations away from killing the iPhone as it is in its current state.

I have an Android phone, and it way too buggy, slow, and unresponsive to become a viable threat to the current generation of iPhones.

Are Google's handset manufacturers THAT clueless that 3 years into the iPhone they are just NOW coming out with hardware that can keep up with Android software and perform almost close to where the current iPhone is at?

I know the next generation of the iPhone will send Google spinning. They won't know WHAT to do. They'll spend the next three years trying to catch up with the 2010 iPhone.

Here's a thought guys...Make it easier to manage\upgrade\delete applications.

FTW

 

[Flavioparentiq]

Might as well say "I'm not going to support using gasoline in cars, because the world is moving to electric power......so we're taking out all of the gas pumps". Well, guess what....Flash makes of 75% of web video *THIS YEAR*, and that's when I want to use it.

facts. I like that.

 

[Nilonym]

Google will take over the smartphone market and the tablet market. Google gives you several options while apple gives you one option. Google is more open vs closed apple.

I'm not convinced the average consumer cares about, or even understands, this point. My wife loves her iPhone, so she's confident she'll love the iPad. She installs apps without my help, because it's easy, and because she never has to worry about something breaking her system. For people like her, the fact that the iPad is a "closed" system like the iPhone rather than an "open" system like a PC or Mac is a strong selling point.

 

[kingcobra2010]

Yea qt is not the way to go. I like VLC but supposedly there are no more developers for it. What a shame.

 

[JeffDM]

Maybe it's time Apple DID enter the Search Engine wars. When Flash finally dies its inevitable slow death, internet searching will be about the only "core" function on all devices that isn't controlled by Apple. No need to re-invent the wheel, for a company with Apple's resources -- just how hard could it be?

They may be going that way, they did buy an ad firm. I don't know if it's a good idea, but maybe Apple can do well. I don't know if it's worth their investment though.

Apple is getting afraid of Google, even if you stans don't want to realize it.

What is a stan?

Because they were stupid?

It was internal power struggle on the board. His removal proved one of the dumbest decisions in Apple history. They were nearly gone when Steve took back over and has turned them into a $50 billion annual revenue company, with $40 billion in cash on hand.

Maybe it was a mistake, but my understanding was that Steve wasn't an innocent party. While Pixar was great, his Next venture didn't do so well profitability-wise. It seems he bet so much bank on the fully automated factory that wasn't given anywhere near the production run to justify the expense.

either way though, no matter what apple is making, its peanuts compared to microsoft.

Peanuts? Peanuts suggests orders of magnitude (10, 100x) MS net earnings is only double Apple's right now.

Microsoft shares were non-voting.

 

[pysl]

will we use multi-touch iMac?

 

[steve-p]

Might as well say "I'm not going to support using gasoline in cars, because the world is moving to electric power......so we're taking out all of the gas pumps". Well, guess what....Flash makes of 75% of web video *THIS YEAR*, and that's when I want to use it.

That's certainly a better analogy than comparing Flash with cheap handguns in pawnbrokers.

 

[jonathanb]

Honestly, I can't remember the last time I used my drive.... there is no point. With hard drives inexpensive and people storing data in the cloud, do we even need discs for archiving? Flash, HDD, cloud... Physical media is a 20th century relic.

Problem with both HDD and clouds for backup is that they are subject to crashes. Your hdd <b>will<b> fail. It's only a matter of when. Clouds are only as useful as your internet connection. Backing up to optical media is a much more secure method for backing up.

 

[RaZaK]

Steve Jobs' Narcissism is Legendary

Agreed. He appears to have a narcissistic tendency to him doesn't he. Don't get me wrong, he has lead multiple companies through enormous success, but I think its going to his head.

My opinion: I think the biggest mistake apple is making is not developing good relations with Adobe. They should be working with adobe to make Flash work.

The fact that he was welcomed back with open arms after such a long absence AND able to successfully stage a Board Room Coup right under the Chairman's nose just further solidifies his Super Ego. Well, that and the billions of dollars that his followers generate annually.

That's the cost of loving Macs: you have to drink the Kool-Aid, and submit to the cult. Whether you hate what he says or not, Steve will just do what he wants to do. It's a sad fact.

 

[moglee]

I dont remember the last time my computer crashed, froze or firefox crashed due to flash. I have a mac pro. Is it only me that thinks this whole flash debacle is greatly exaggerated?

Exactly what I was thinking.

Hopefully Apple offers an option in the upcomimg MBP's to replace the superdrive with an additional harddisc.

 

[Bigdaddyguido]

Does adobe realize?

Is adobe aware that this is the final nail in their crappy products coffin?

The ipad is going to be the face of mobile computing the next couple if years, millions upon millions of people will now be accessing the web from apple devices which don't support flash. Faced with options like this, the few remaining websites running flash will realize there is just too much missed opportunity to not port their site over to HTML 5.

Which leaves adobe....


Maybe they'll just focus on all the software they do so right and finally abandon holding the web hostage in 2002.

If your defending flash right now, you need to do more research on the topic, there's literally no benefit to that archaic, proprietary format.

 

[JeffDM]

Anyway, if he says that macs are going to be taken to the next level, im expecting some crossfire capability for ATI cards, garbage collection for SSD drives and a fix on the green button in the finder and other applications as it does NOT properly maximize windows.

I suggest RightZoom.
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30591

Whoever said the green button was to "maximize"? Sure, it is inconsistent from application to application, but there's two basic modes -- "zoom" and "maximize", again depending on the application. There's very little point in maximizing a window if the content of that window doesn't require the full screen, hence the "zoom" mode expands the window just large enough to see the full width of the content. In some apps, holding down the option key while pressing the green button will do a maximize. However, in Mail.app, it seems that the maximize behavior is default. The idea of zoom was good. Too bad they can't get it to be consistent from app to app.

Maybe it wouldn't be a complaint if developers actually tried to implement it properly.

 

[rme]

....
What is a stan?
....

I think he means "an overobsessed fan to the point of following a star around".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stan

 

[kingcobra2010]

The fact that he was welcomed back with open arms after such a long absence AND able to successfully stage a Board Room Coup right under the Chairman's nose just further solidifies his Super Ego. Well, that and the billions of dollars that his followers generate annually.

That's the cost of loving Macs: you have to drink the Kool-Aid, and submit to the cult. Whether you hate what he says or not, Steve will just do what he wants to do. It's a sad fact.

Yes very very sad indeed. So sad I even thought about going to windows 7 but I just can not go back despite the fact that it allows me more options and support. Macs just work well out of the box. Iphones are a different story been there done that. Love my palm pre and would never switch to iphone even if they gave me the chance.

 

[MacFanJeff]

There are some HUGE problems with the position Jobs has taken. I have little trouble at all with Flash on Windows 7 and the fact is most web sites use flash at this time. Will HTML5 replace it like he said and be the future? No one can say for sure but for now at least that is NOT true. Also, HTML5 has issues of its own from different browsers and other problems not mentioned here. He claims Adobe is "lazy" but what about Apple for insisting on not partnering with Adobe more and getting Flash on ALL Apple products?

Next, he talks about the iPhone is going to remain way better than Google's Android. Maybe, but one thing is for sure, Google has more than enough money to improve it and compete, they have an OPEN app policy for the software and it supports flash. Not to mention it either will be or is available on Verizon network.

Also, the claim the new Macs will be a significant improvement may be true too, but they are LONG overdue, especially the Mac Pro. Does that also mean they will have the very latest graphics cards unlike all the years before where they did not? I am very skeptical and hope for the best.

While I like my Apple products and computer, they are and have been stumbling big time. The iPad is a snooze and one I am not interested in at this time, maybe a 3rd generation. As for the big updates, will have to wait and see if they actually deliver or if it will be another iPad event.

 

[jaw04005]

Why didn’t Macrumors post the rest of the story?

According to eWeek,

"On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won't let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there's no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don't be evil mantra: "It's bulls*it." Audience roars.”



http://tinyurl.com/ygdeagb

 

[RaZaK]

Any media is subject to failure

Problem with both HDD and clouds for backup is that they are subject to crashes. Your hdd <b>will<b> fail. It's only a matter of when. Clouds are only as useful as your internet connection. Backing up to optical media is a much more secure method for backing up.

Optical media can warp, get scratched, or even break over time.

The most secure way to ensure data availability is to archive critical data to multiple formats that are stored in different locations (ex: to disk on-site, to tape\optical at a storage facility, to the cloud, etc.).

You significantly decrease the chances of losing important data that way. Of course, you have to worry about the security at off-site locations, but most businesses contract with reputable companies to address this concern.

Other data can be stored to only one format if it's not as important.