Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

[Nilonym]

Now lets look at the pad vs the google tablet. The google tablet will have more features more varieties and the same number of apps but will be available on more cell carriers and they will have an model that actually has an dual e-ink screen. Hands down google is setup to own this market. Pad does not have a chance.

I'm not convinced that any of this matters. For the intended market, which is probably not people who post or read MR, the only thing that matters is joy of use.

Not ease of use. Joy of use.

I'm certain Apple can provide this. Based on what I've seen of Android, I'm not certain Google can.

 

[Cave Man]

They need to start making products FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS instead of FOR THEMSELVES.

Apple is driven by one thing and one thing only - profit. That's how all companies work.

 

[Hankus]

You sir should be thankful for brave Americans like Mr. Jobs who are fighting for free and open standards on the Internet.

Apple is all about controlling the how we use their products more than ever before, and their competitors are all set to clobber them because of it. Apple is only fighting for their own bottom line.

 

[LagunaSol]

This Apple device does not support proprietary Web technology controlled by a single corporation. Apple believes in and supports open Web standards. Please contact the owner of this website and encourage them to support open Web standards too. - Apple Inc.

 

[steve-p]

there is a difference from Mbytes to Mbites. Your speeds are not as fast as you think. I am talking megabytes. Basically you can not download the movie in 2 hrs.

I am talking megabytes. it's a 24 MBit connection.

 

[wschutz]

It's a pity that iPhone OS days are set... exactly three years according to some experts.

Whether Steve and Apple want or not... Android is going to take over iPhone and its market
Google has released a mobile os which is very close to iPhone... it just needs a couple more years and that's it. iPhone era will be over.

I'm glad that Steve is so serious about Google because that means the threat is here. I'm tired of being told what I can run or what I cannot, and Android gives that (Note that I own an iPhone, and I bought it because Android wasn't still a good alternative, now it is, and in one year or one year and a half I'll switch... Sorry Steve... I use things I buy the way I want, not the way you want me to

 

[Hankus]

Apple is driven by one thing and one thing only - profit. That's how all companies work.

And if Google can make a phone or a tablet that works the way customers want them to and affords customers the freedom to use the way they want them to, then Apple deserves to lose to them.

 

[netcastle]

Really you are downloading at some exceptional speed. so if 8000mb over 2 hrs equals 67 mb /min which equals greater than 1000 kb/sec wow you must have a line greater than a t1 going straight to your house. How much that cost you???
Actually my denon audio system handles it 7.1 and there is a difference from 5.1 to 7.1 maybe not on those crapy sony systems but on my system there is a difference. Actually bd is on ms as well not just linux.

It's about 1.6 megs a second which is pretty standard for comcrap. Windows has BD playback because of anyDVD and Linux because of MakeMKV. OSX also has MakeMKV, so.... 7.1 is great, I agree, but 8 channel LPCM will sound just as good as trueHD unless you have a really high quality signal path. Most people don't even have 7.1.

 

[alberta-mac-fan]

Not developing good relations with Adobe? It's pretty clear that they are not up for the challenge of doing anything new. Flash?! Please, we are talking about productivity here . . Think Creative Suite.

I am thinking about creative suite. I use CS4 Production Premium nearly every day for work, via OS X. I think one of the reasons apple is so successful is due to its (Macs) image of being a common choice for creative professionals. Because of this, I view adobe as being a key partner for the mac platform. I think that apple would want to take this partnership into its other business models just for image if nothing else.

I have no statistics on hand to support my opinion. Its completely anecdotal, and I recognize that.

 

[hexor]

Idea

If you aren't going to buy an iPad, shut up! The world doesn't need to know that! I'm tired of all the people who have to complain how stupid it is and they aren't going to buy it and it will be a big failure.

 

[kingcobra2010]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabit

125 kbytes - 1 Mbite

so your adsl is 5 Mbite max which is a max of 600 kb max out second you you have to get a max upload station. That is not happening in 2 hrs not even close. Try again

 

[cmaier]

First it was Blu-ray licensing, and now it's the software?

Didn't Apple write the DVD Player application? Don't they write the software?

Quit lying and just tell us it's because of iTunes!

He's likely referring to the BD software stack (which lives party on the disk and party in the player), particularly Paul Kocher's DRM crap.

 

[Nilonym]

They need to start making products FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS instead of FOR THEMSELVES. Apple rose to popularity because their stuff was better, and it filled a need.Who needs a tablet that runs the closed iPhone OS? Give us the tablet we want, one that runs a full open os where we can install what we like, bought where we like. Steve realizes he miscalculated this one, and now he's lashing out / justifying. Reminds me of "Pirates of Silicon Valley".

I agree that the iPad is not for their customers. I suspect the iPad is for everyone on the planet who is not currently their customer.

Who needs a tablet that runs the closed iPhone OS? Maybe not MR readers, but perhaps the millions of people for whom even OS X and Win 7 are still too complex.

 

[Arnia]

Not really ipad will still not be worth peoples times. See you are comparing this device to the ipod touch. The other mp3 makers where exactly that mp3 players that could play mp4. The ipod touch could play apps which allowed it more functionality also it was multitouch.

Now lets look at the pad vs the google tablet. The google tablet will have more features more varieties and the same number of apps but will be available on more cell carriers and they will have an model that actually has an dual e-ink screen. Hands down google is setup to own this market. Pad does not have a chance.

Can I see your market research that demonstrates that the iPad will not be worth people's time? You know me, I love hard data.

The different in size between the iPod Touch and iPad is quite important from a usability point of view. On the iPod Touch, the size of your interaction device (your finger or, worse, fingers) is very large relative to the size of the display device. This leads to obscuration and a low information density (because the on-screen targets have to be comparably sized to your fingers). This is why I believe that being a 'big iPod Touch' is a far bigger deal than many here think. Revolutionary is different from novel, and the market impact of products is more than just a list of features and a price point.

 

[Hankus]

If you aren't going to buy an iPad, shut up! The world doesn't need to know that! I'm tired of all the people who have to complain how stupid it is and they aren't going to buy it and it will be a big failure.

Those of us who have supported Apple for decades and now think they're going down the wrong path will bloody well speak our minds, thank you very much.

 

[Nilonym]

It's a pity that iPhone OS days are set... exactly three years according to some experts.

Who are these experts? I'd like to read their arguments.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

What's an 'A+' update?

 

[charlituna]

What a bunch of marketing gibberish!

Even if BlueRay is a mess .. get it done. You have more then enough cash in the bank to hire or buy a team of experts to do it right.

but that is not Apple's style. they don't do things because everyone else has. case in point, Apple's $200 plastic enclosed netbook.

they don't spend hundreds, thousands or even millions to do something right that is a total mess (in their minds). they spend that money on doing something better.

in this case, that could mean investigating in the development of a new video codec that will allow for bluray quality downloads without the 50GB overhead. It could mean working with the studios to get them to allow full packages so you aren't paying to get just the movie and if you want the features, you have to get the real disk. doing the research to show the studios that the download market is viable and would be more so if they weren't demanding delays in the hopes of saving a bleeding disc market and so on.

and it has the plus that digital means less physical production costs and less clutter for consumers etc. so it even fits with Apple's eco-agenda.

 

[taolaga]

Hope iphone support flash and multitasking

 

[LagunaSol]

It's a pity that iPhone OS days are set... exactly three years according to some experts.

Rob Enderle?

Whether Steve and Apple want or not... Android is going to take over iPhone and its market

Uh huh.

Google has released a mobile os which is very close to iPhone... it just needs a couple more years and that's it. iPhone era will be over.

Yeah, I'm sure Apple will just sit on their hands for a "couple more years" and let Google catch up.

It will be interesting to watch Google and Microsoft battle it out for the "mediocre mobile OS on a billion disparate devices" market.

 

[JAT]

It's amusing to read comments saying Apple "fear" Google and that Google are "the new".

Yes, it's good to see Apple have a real rival again, but at the end of the day Google are a search engine company. Yes, they are expanding, but they have no hardware or software portfolio to go toe to toe with Apple with except the Nexus and Android OS.

When people hear "Apple", they instantly think Mac, iPod, and iPhone.

When people hear "Google", they instantly think search engine.

More tech savvy people like us know what else Google is doing, but to Joe Public, Google are not on the same radar as Apple.

This is why you are not a CEO in the Fortune 100.

 

[Object-X]

Does anyone see why the investors booted him out of his own company the first time?

No, I think you're the only one.

 

[calsci]

The quicker flash can die the better. imho

 

[kingcobra2010]

Can I see your market research that demonstrates that the iPad will not be worth people's time? You know me, I love hard data.

The different in size between the iPod Touch and iPad is quite important from a usability point of view. On the iPod Touch, the size of your interaction device (your finger or, worse, fingers) is very large relative to the size of the display device. This leads to obscuration and a low information density (because the on-screen targets have to be comparably sized to your fingers). This is why I believe that being a 'big iPod Touch' is a far bigger deal than many here think. Revolutionary is different from novel, and the market impact of products is more than just a list of features and a price point.

Obviously there is no hard data but there are several commentaries on that point. The problem is that the device requires active carrying versus the passive carrying of the touch. There is no need to lay it down, no need to carry it in a bag or in your hand since you can slip it in your pocket, no need to think about the device. The touch is like you watch or your phone there is no thinking to carry it around. the pad requires you to think before you carry it.
It the end the majority of people that purchase the device, will just leave it at home. This does not allow the air play of seeing others with the device unlike the touch.

 

[pubwvj]

I dont remember the last time my computer crashed, froze or firefox crashed due to flash. I have a mac pro. Is it only me that thinks this whole flash debacle is greatly exaggerated?

It's not exaggerated. I normally run with plugins turned OFF. The web is wonderful. It cuts the ads and wasteful glitz. Once in a while I turn on Plugins for Flash. Doing so demonstrates what a hog Flash is and my computer slows down and Safari / FireFox are then likely to crash. Turn plugins back off and once again the web browsers run smoothly and crash free.

This is a big issue. Novice users can't deal with crashing. If Apple wants to reach the masses, which they're demonstrating with the low $499 price and easy iPad, then they need a very stable machine. They've been working up to this with the iP's.