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Do you see any reason why they *couldn't* make a game like Mass Effect 2 or Dragon Age for the iPad? The screen is certainly large enough, and they would control really well with touch... It would actually be easier to select a character and tap an action than it is with a mouse (and certainly better than selecting it with an arcade style controller).

I meant they can't make anything with those graphics/level of detail. Or something as epic as those two games. They could try and get the controls to work...but still most gamers would be like "hand me a freaking controller" :)

I was just saying those games aren't technically possible on the iPad. Heck, I don't even think Bioware could get Mass Effect running on the Wii! ;)
 
Ummm, where was the iPhone torched? It was heralded as a game changer from the minute it was unveiled.


• "[iPhone] just doesn't matter anymore. There are now alternatives to the iPhone, which has been introduced everywhere else in the world. It's no longer a novelty." - Eamon Hoey, Hoey and Associates, April 30, 2008

• "We are not at all worried. We think we've got the one mobile platform you'll use for the rest of your life. [Apple] are not going to catch up." - Scott Rockfeld, Microsoft Mobile Communications Group Product Manager, April 01, 2008

• "Microsoft, with Windows Mobile/ActiveSync, Nokia with Intellisync, and Motorola with Good Technology have all fared poorly in the enterprise. We have no reason to expect otherwise from Apple." - Peter Misek, Canaccord Adams analyst, March 07, 2008

• "[Apple should sell 7.9 million iPhones in 2008]... Apple's goal of selling 10 million iPhones this year is optimistic." - Toni Sacconaghi, Bernstein Research analyst, February 22, 2008

• "What does the iPhone offer that other cell phones do not already offer, or will offer soon? The answer is not very much... Apple’s stated goal of selling 10 million iPhones by the end of 2008 seems ambitious." - Laura Goldman, LSG Capital, May 21, 2007

• Motorola's then-Chairman and then-CEO Ed Zander said his company was ready for competition from Apple's iPhone, due out the following month. "How do you deal with that?" Zander was asked at the Software 2007 conference. Zander quickly retorted, "How do they deal with us?" - Ed Zander, May 10, 2007

• "The iPhone is going to be nothing more than a temporary novelty that will eventually wear off." - Gundeep Hora, CoolTechZone Editor-in-Chief, April 02, 2007

• "Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone... What Apple risks here is its reputation as a hot company that can do no wrong. If it's smart it will call the iPhone a 'reference design' and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else's marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures... Otherwise I'd advise people to cover their eyes. You are not going to like what you'll see." - John C. Dvorak, Bloated Gas Bag, March 28, 2007

• "Even if [the iPhone] is opened up to third parties, it is difficult to see how the installed base of iPhones can reach the level where it becomes a truly attractive service platform for operator and developer investment." - Tony Cripps, Ovum Service Manager for Mobile User Experience, March 14, 2007

• "I'm more convinced than ever that, after an initial frenzy of publicity and sales to early adopters, iPhone sales will be unspectacular... iPhone may well become Apple's next Newton." - David Haskin, Computerworld, February 26, 2007

• "There's an old saying -- stick to your knitting -- and Apple is not a mobile phone manufacturer, that's not their knitting... I think people overreacted to it -- there was not a lot of tremendously new stuff if you think about it." - Greg Winn, Telstra's operations chief, February 15, 2007

• "Consumers are not used to paying another couple hundred bucks more just because Apple makes a cool product. Some fans will buy [iPhone], but for the rest of us it's a hard pill to swallow just to have the coolest thing." - Neil Strother, NPD Group analyst, January 22, 2007

• "I can’t believe the hype being given to iPhone... I just have to wonder who will want one of these things (other than the religious faithful)... So please mark this post and come back in two years to see the results of my prediction: I predict they will not sell anywhere near the 10M Jobs predicts for 2008." - Richard Sprague, Microsoft Senior Marketing Director, January 18, 2007

• "The iPhone's willful disregard of the global handset market will come back to haunt Apple." - Tero Kuittinen, RealMoney.com, January 18, 2007

• "[Apple's iPhone] is the most expensive phone in the world and it doesn't appeal to business customers because it doesn't have a keyboard which makes it not a very good email machine... So, I, I kinda look at that and I say, well, I like our strategy. I like it a lot." - Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO, January 17, 2007

• "The iPhone is nothing more than a luxury bauble that will appeal to a few gadget freaks. In terms of its impact on the industry, the iPhone is less relevant... Apple is unlikely to make much of an impact on this market... Apple will sell a few to its fans, but the iPhone won't make a long-term mark on the industry." - Matthew Lynn, Bloomberg, January 15, 2007

• "iPhone which doesn't look, I mean to me, I'm looking at this thing and I think it's kind of trending against, you know, what's really going, what people are really liking on, in these phones nowadays, which are those little keypads. I mean, the Blackjack from Samsung, the Blackberry, obviously, you know kind of pushes this thing, the Palm, all these... And I guess some of these stocks went down on the Apple announcement, thinking that Apple could do no wrong, but I think Apple can do wrong and I think this is it." - John C. Dvorak, Bloated Gas Bag, January 13, 2007

• "I am pretty skeptical. I don’t think [iPhone] will meet the fantastic predictions I have been reading. For starters, while Apple basically established the market for portable music players, the phone market is already established, with a number of major brands. Can Apple remake the phone market in its image? Success is far from guaranteed." - Jack Gold, founder and principal analyst at J. Gold Associates, January 11, 2007

• "Apple will launch a mobile phone in January, and it will become available during 2007. It will be a lovely bit of kit, a pleasure to behold, and its limited functionality will be easy to access and use. The Apple phone will be exclusive to one of the major networks in each territory and some customers will switch networks just to get it, but not as many as had been hoped. As customers start to realise that the competition offers better functionality at a lower price, by negotiating a better subsidy, sales will stagnate. After a year a new version will be launched, but it will lack the innovation of the first and quickly vanish. The only question remaining is if, when the iPod phone fails, it will take the iPod with it." - Bill Ray, The Register, December 26, 2006

• "The economics of something like [an Apple iPhone] aren't that compelling." - Rod Bare, Morningstar analyst, December 08, 2006

• "Apple is slated to come out with a new phone... And it will largely fail.... Sales for the phone will skyrocket initially. However, things will calm down, and the Apple phone will take its place on the shelves with the random video cameras, cell phones, wireless routers and other would-be hits... When the iPod emerged in late 2001, it solved some major problems with MP3 players. Unfortunately for Apple, problems like that don't exist in the handset business. Cell phones aren't clunky, inadequate devices. Instead, they are pretty good. Really good." - Michael Kanellos, CNET, December 07, 2006

• "We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in." - Ed Colligan, Palm CEO, November 16, 2006
 
In fact the digital cameras that are increasingly replacing film cameras, even at the Hollywood-blockbuster level, compress the visual data at capture (i.e. "birth"). So Blu-Ray is compressing data that has already been compressed. Double compression. Ouch.
That's factually inaccurate: although Red has penetrated for some lower budget cinema productions, film is still far and away the dominant force in commercial films.
 
With your attitude I don't think your business will be around much longer.

Tracfone? I almost rolled off my chair whenI heard that one. Time to grow up and gets some adult toys.

Dave

Talk about kiddies.

My business has been around since Woz and Steve-o were in their garage. And will be around when Steve-o is in his grave.

As for Tracfone, my bill works out at $50/year. What's yours, genius?

:apple:
 
Here's my favourite:

• "iPhone which doesn't look, I mean to me, I'm looking at this thing and I think it's kind of trending against, you know, what's really going, what people are really liking on, in these phones nowadays, which are those little keypads. I mean, the Blackjack from Samsung, the Blackberry, obviously, you know kind of pushes this thing, the Palm, all these... And I guess some of these stocks went down on the Apple announcement, thinking that Apple could do no wrong, but I think Apple can do wrong and I think this is it." - John C. Dvorak, Bloated Gas Bag, January 13, 2007
 
GTA Chinatown Wars on the iPhone. Great touch controls are possible, and getting better every day.

Someday there will be no buttons. Prepare for it.

:D

I agree that game controls wonderfully! I just think the gaming industry will never part with it's controllers! Unless VR comes along... That reminds me, I should go find my old Virtual Boy! How I miss the headaches and motion sickness...
 
:eek:

I highly doubt it! I'm an avid gamer that has purchased every console under the sun!(Atari Jaguar ugh :() And I wouldn't trade any of them in for an iPad! (I'm buying one but not for games)

Now don't get me wrong it's going to have some great games! But it's not a real threat to Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft! :)

It can't deliver the full console feeling without buttons. Also why would current gamers spend $500 to play inferior games? Bottom-line is you can't get games like Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2, Bayonetta, Dragon Age, No More Heroes 2 etc... running on this thing. Yes it's more powerful than the PSP and DS but it lacks buttons and it doesn't fit in your pocket!

And for the record I do a ton of gaming on my iPhone(Touch-Arcade is one of my favorite sites). Still nothing beats the real thing! :D

Inferior games? It’s only inferior if you think it is, I get much enjoyment out of my Touch, I play that more than my PS2, I don’t care about playing games on the go, I’d rather look out the window while on public transport, but hey, I have a car so I can’t play and drive at the same time. All my gaming is done at home.

I would love to see the sales of Chinatown Wars for DS, PSP and iphone/touch to see who has sold the most within a one-year period, I have CW on my touch and I love it.

I would love to own a iPad one day, not straight away, I usually wait until the price comes down on certain things, I only bought my Touch less than 2 months ago and I’m having a blast with it. To think that there might be a bigger screen with bigger games is awesome and oh, there is, it’s called the iPad, coming to a store near you soon.

I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means, I would usually call myself a Sony fanboy but times are a changing.

Those games you mentioned are all good and dandy but sometimes it comes down to brand name. Bayonetta might be a wicked game but it will never sell more than say, a game like Halo, even if Bayon is better which the reviews indicate it to be, not that I care about Halo, I just use it as a point and the point is, games, no matter what platform they are on, sell, and if the iPad has a lot of games then the iPad will sell, that was my point, focus on gaming and everything else will fall in place.

I like gadgets.
 
Gaming is where it will be really convenient.

:eek:

I highly doubt it! I'm an avid gamer that has purchased every console under the sun!(Atari Jaguar ugh :() And I wouldn't trade any of them in for an iPad! (I'm buying one but not for games)

Now don't get me wrong it's going to have some great games! But it's not a real threat to Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft! :)

It can't deliver the full console feeling without buttons. Also why would current gamers spend $500 to play inferior games? Bottom-line is you can't get games like Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2, Bayonetta, Dragon Age, No More Heroes 2 etc... running on this thing. Yes it's more powerful than the PSP and DS but it lacks buttons and it doesn't fit in your pocket!

And for the record I do a ton of gaming on my iPhone(Touch-Arcade is one of my favorite sites). Still nothing beats the real thing! :D


I agree that the iPad will never impose serious threat to hardcore gaming. On the other hand, the iPad will be the gaming device of many millions, who are not interested in serious gaming. As soon as it matches the iPhone's capabilities, the iPad will be popular enough. One area where it might excel is boardgames. I cannot wait to see the Monopoly for iPad! Or Risk. Or games taking advantage of the built-in camera - oops, sorry. Some might argue that there is not much point in an electronic board game. We'll see, whether an 'extra family member' or two might come handy.

I don't think anybody expects the iPad to become the pinnacle of gaming. But it's such an ideal platform for hundreds of games that I would love to try. I am even more enthusiastic about gaming on the iPad than e-books or web browsing. About these... well, glossy screen and lack of Flash kill them for me. Also, with gaming, the lack of multitasking is not that of a worry.
 
Thanks, LTD

Have you been compiling those quotes since the iPhone launch yourself, or is there some website that's doing it?
 
This is really getting old, and frankly I'm not sure why people are so dense.

I doubt the iPad can't do this, since the existing iPhone can. I can, for example, use the Voice Memos app, switch to something else, and keep recording. I can start a text message, go do other things such as find a web page and copy the link, then come back and continue the message as if I'd never left. So I'd be quite surprised if the iPad couldn't do likewise.
Depending upon which apps you are using that can be due to multitasking or not. Iphone OS multitask today with some apps always running. This has been gone over again and again in the forums so I'm not sure why we have to constantly revisit the discussion. Third part user apps can only run as the primary app with control of the screen, they can not run in background.
Generally people use the term multitasking to mean running the apps "side by side", not what you are describing.
No that is not right at all. Multitasking refers to how the operating system handles user tasks, it has absolutely nothing to do with the visual representation of the app presented by the user interface. In fact it is possible for user apps to have no GUI at all. When people here talk about the need for multitasking they are talking about it in the sense of an operating system the supports a user by running multiple tasks for him. These tasks may or may not have a GUI associated with them and they may or may not have control of the GUI screen when running.
Either way, the iPhone works the way you describe and I can see no logical basis for a claim the iPad won't.
I'm not ging to filter back through the thread to get his exact verbiage but the iPad as it stands does not support user multitasking. If you don't understand this then I'm not really sure how to explain it to you. I really would like to too, but it isn't easy if you are not familiar with the way operating systems actually work. In simple terms though it means that background apps continue to work even if they haven't had access to the GUI screen, think Mail on the iPhone. It is however a feature that is certainly important to being able to deliver certain types of applications to the device.
With regards to Flash vs. HTML5 YouTube, arguably one of the largest Flash based websites for the general public, is moving to HTML5 over Flash.

I don't see that as a solid move. If Google wanted to be aggressive they would simply drop the use of flash.


Dave
 
bye...

That's fine. IF you want to be an AVERAGE company pandering to the lowest common denominator.

As for me, it's a PC, windows XP, and BD Powerstation. I've had it.

Bye Steve-O.

:apple:

nothing like a quiet exit. LOL.

guess you won't be reading this forum anymore on your new XP powered PC (do you not know that Win7 and Vista are out there and superceeded XP - in release date if not public acceptance?).

if you really want to be pandered to, you've made a wise choice...
 
Relax people, they're just adding a link for the iPad in the store.

Not likely...

Re: The iPad

"Application availability and pricing are subject to change. This device has not yet been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."
 
I am anti-iPad person since some of you have already read my negatively-charged posts for iPad.

Truth to be told there is no good without a portion of bad, and no bad with portion of good.

I just saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntyXvLnxyXk&feature=player_embedded#at=172

and i would like to share it with you. iPad does 6-7 things only, but it does them pretty well!

My disagreement it is not on what iPad is, but i believe that Apple by purpose didnt do it more powerful, despite that it could, and that is what pisses me off! They want to take all of our money, in this and in the next version! pfff, anyway enjoy the video!
 
HTML5 is going to happen . . . because Steve Jobs declared publicly it's going to happen. And when Steve Jobs open his mouth to speak, the industry swoons.

Adobe just got the worst press possible.

This was the last nail in Flash's coffin.
 
Not likely...

Re: The iPad

"Application availability and pricing are subject to change. This device has not yet been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."

They added a LINK to the ipad. Not an offer for sale.
 
...looking forward to a quad-core MBP :D

I agree with Jobs, but I would like Apple to recognize that Safari crashes all the time compared to IE, Firefox, & Chrome.

Apple, don't get 'lazy' with Safari... :confused:
 
nothing like a quiet exit. LOL.

guess you won't be reading this forum anymore on your new XP powered PC (do you not know that Win7 and Vista are out there and superceeded XP - in release date if not public acceptance?).

if you really want to be pandered to, you've made a wise choice...

BD Powerstation recommends XP.

I don't care what it looks like. I just want it to work to author Blu-ray.

:apple:
 
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