Yes I cottoned on that you were talking about media content rather than application source shortly after posting. It seems logical.
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Yes I cottoned on that you were talking about media content rather than application source shortly after posting. It seems logical.
By his logic, people who are clever enough (and bored, i'd imagine) could rip off flash games in C++, or one of its derivatives and probably make em better
HTML5 is being formulated as an open free-to-use standard, which is incompatible with including technologies with propietary licensing, whereas Blu Ray and DVD are licensed technologies in themselves so there is not such issue.
Well, I wasn't even going to post anymore replies but this one caught my eye.
Look, if a skilled Flash coder could "copy" an app store app and release it for free why would it be different if an HTML5/CSS3/JS coder did the same thing? Because from the opinions I gather here everything Flash does can be done with JavaScript and HTML5 (which is undoubtedly false).
If it weren't for Flash we wouldn't all be watching YouTube videos since 2004 and we would still be waiting on the HTML5 video approach to eventually become standard...
Adobe has no problem with the Mac community like I've been reading here, in fact, Adobe also sells development tools for HTML5 so the point that they're pushing Flash so they can sell their authoring tools is moot as they also sell you HTML tools in the first place. Every Adobe promo I watch shows these Adobe guys all using iPhones and MacBook Pros. They have no hate for Apple, quite the opposite since Creative Suite 5 will be 100% Cocoa and Intel-Only 64Bit and the CS4 version is much more stable on Snow Leopard than it is on Windows 7 (personal experience).
The next version of Flash wiil compile to SWF to iPhone IPA format, there's no other mobile platform it exports natively to. Do you really think they do not care about the iPhone when it's the only mobile device which they gave a dedicated profile on one of their most popular IDEs?
We all know that Adobe isn't perfect but the same can be said for Apple. There's a big deal of misinformation surrounding this issue. There's no HTML5 vs Flash, it's all being made up, one isn't going to replace the other as much as you'd like. There's always going to be stuff that HTML5 won't be able to do and when it catches up Flash will be doing some new stuff as well and the cycle repeats.
Flash establishes today what the HTML should be able to do tomorrow and it's good for the internet as a whole because the adoption of HTML standards is much slower that the updates to the Flash platform.
Flash started supporting video since 2004, "only" 5 years later we are getting close to an HTML alternative to deliver the same experience. And even that we're talking about Chrome and Safari which have a 8% web-browser market share. We're not quite there guys, maybe someday, but not now.
And when these ads and banners can be replaced with HTML5 and JavaScript then GREAT! But whenever that time comes there would still be a lot of things that Flash does which won't be possible with HTML5 and I for one would like to have the choice to view that content. Just please, imagine how many decades is gonna take until someone can create something like this in HTML5 and JavaScript (realtime sound editing and recording over the web).
http://www.hobnox.com/index.1056.en.html
We're not talking about the applications it runs; we're talking about the Flash plugin being available in Mobile Safari which is a bad example since my PS3 can display Flash content even with it's sub-par browser.
A few thoughts:
1) Adobe didn't create Flash or do the coding. Macromedia did. Adobe bought Macromedia a few years ago to prevent Microsoft from doing the same.
2) Adobe saw that mobile Flash needed rewriting from the ground up, and began that project a couple of years ago with help from ARM cpu makers. So they're at least trying to fix it up.
3) There is no standard HTML5 video format right now.
4) There are over a billion desktop/laptop computers worldwide on the internet, and almost all of them have Flash.
5) If Apple really believes that HTML5 can replace Flash, then they should help recode their buddy Disney's website to start with. And/or come up with an HTML5 authoring tool that matches Flash tools. Talk is cheap.
1) Adobe didn't create Flash or do the coding. Macromedia did. Adobe bought Macromedia a few years ago to prevent Microsoft from doing the same.
2) Adobe saw that mobile Flash needed rewriting from the ground up, and began that project a couple of years ago with help from ARM cpu makers. So they're at least trying to fix it up.
3) There is no standard HTML5 video format right now.
4) There are over a billion desktop/laptop computers worldwide on the internet, and almost all of them have Flash.
5) If Apple really believes that HTML5 can replace Flash, then they should help recode their buddy Disney's website to start with. And/or come up with an HTML5 authoring tool that matches Flash tools. Talk is cheap.
So Apple should put its money where its mouth is and not include flash with the next release of Safari for Mac and Windows. If they are going to get people to convert may as well shoot for the place where most internet surfing takes place.
Also does anyone know if the iPad is going to show up as a normal Mac in the headers. It would be a shame to get shunted to mobile sites (like the iPhone sometimes does).
Very good post. You're absolutely right that video is a very small proportion of what it does, but the important feature of Flash for most is video. There are games as well, but I think that addressing the video aspect is enough for people to stop thinking of Flash as a de facto standard.
Not putting Flash into a new device is MUCH less controversial than removing the capability from a device that already has it available. Especially since there are several good reasons to keep it off the new device. If they removed Flash support from Safari all it would do is cause people to switch to Firefox or Chrome.
Updates of Apple's can vary from early summer to early fall (I'd say the latter is more common). Honestly if you get a new MacBook Pro now, I doubt you'll be hurting that much if you miss out on a spec upgrade.
If you look at it like a regular computer it looks closed. If you look at it like an appliance it doesn't. This thing is like an Xbox, a PS3, an iPod, etc. The fact that it does things like email and web browsing (usually done on full-blown computers) is making people confused.
I guess it's time to go storm the Xbox forums and demand that they allow me to install games from third party sources too.
No they wouldn't. The $500 computer market has virtually no profit margin. That's why Apple's doing so well and Dell's in the tank. Apple now is 3x larger than dell in market cap.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Without Flash, we would still be watching Web video - somehow.
Adobe has no problem with the Mac community like I've been reading here, in fact, Adobe also sells development tools for HTML5 so the point that they're pushing Flash so they can sell their authoring tools is moot as they also sell you HTML tools in the first place.
I certainly hope this doesn't turn into an Adobe vs. Apple hatefest. The big issue here for me is not Adobe software at all, but the fact that the Web should not be driven by any single proprietary format controlled by any single company. The Flash-shackled Web has to end.
Would they have "cared" so much if the iPhone had had native Flash support from day one?
Wouldn't HTML evolve much more quickly if we didn't have Flash as a crutch? I'd wager yes.
Need forces action. Create a real need for a Flash alternative and things will start to happen. Quickly. Technology is great at adapting to needs under competitive pressure.
If it wasn't for Firefox, for example, Microsoft would still be on cruise control with IE 6 and the Web would still be plagued by IE 6-specific design. Remember how they let IE for Mac stagnate? Why wouldn't they? There was no competition.
Flash needs viable competition. And it needs a viable, open (read: not owned by any single entity) standard to replace it.
Absolutely.
lol..
They don't support flash on iPhone and iPad for one reason only: AppStore!
Just think about it. If you have flash on iPhone/iPad you'll go to miniclip.com or kongregate.com and play your brains out. Games are making the most money on AppStore. So if they run flash on iPhone/iPad they will loose a lot money and the AppStore makes the income not the device itself.
Oh btw google Chrome for mac doesn't crash on flash pages where Safari does.
Bad flash coder crash it not Adobe and Apple uses this to protect their income.
And that is all about mac and flash!
They don't support flash on iPhone and iPad for one reason only: AppStore!
Just think about it. If you have flash on iPhone/iPad you'll go to miniclip.com or kongregate.com and play your brains out. Games are making the most money on AppStore. So if they run flash on iPhone/iPad they will loose a lot money and the AppStore makes the income not the device itself.
Oh btw google Chrome for mac doesn't crash on flash pages where Safari does.
Bad flash coder crash it not Adobe and Apple uses this to protect their income.
And that is all about mac and flash!
I think he will hurt a little.
The new processors will be quad core which I think will be quite a lot quicker and longer lasting than the current MacBook Pro's.
The update can't be that far away – other computer manufacturers have already started to ship machines with these newer processors.
If you don't really need the computer now I think it's a good idea to wait.
Of course you never know what Apple is up to, but I'd guess that the update should be here within three (maybe four) months, if not sooner.
Yeah, but the thing is everything about it is competing with computers. It's actually more than competing devices with open OSes.
By rights it really should have been announced at the beginning of the month. We're past overdue for a Macbook Pro update, plus new relevant hardware is out, etc. :-/
Good, you can't speak and think at the same time.
This isn't my theory, it has been expounded many times as the real reason flash is verboten.
without the external app developers, the app store would be very sparse indeed. Apple is doing major deals with major media corporations and publishers, i don't think they would take kindly to people getting rund the app store's door policy.
The thing is, Flash was born precisely from the real need to move the web forward and to offer more than static pages with blue links.
Do you know when the last HTML 4.01 standard was adopted? 1999!
That's 11 years and we're still waiting on HTML5. Don't act like browser standards are easy and fast to implement because they're not (and we're still a good 2 to 3 years out of HTML5 and CSS3 being standard in IE).
Flash is no shackle nor crutch, most websites are HTML/CSS based and not Flash based as you are implying. However, there are some instances where only Flash can deliver a certain type of content and I for one wish to have the option to view that content.
While the HTML5 video format war continues between Apple, Google, Mozilla and Microsoft I'm happy to go to YouTube and have the videos working using Flash whichever browser I use. That's the beauty of it, I don't have to worry which browser I use and how it's going to display videos, "it just works".
I really wish this didn't turn into an Apple VS Adobe hatefest as well because it doesn't have to be that way. I like to think that technology was made to co-exist and I would be extremely happy if Apple supported Mobile Safari optional plugins if necessary and if properly tested.
Being a web developer I love HTML / CSS and JavaScript the same way I love to do some OOP in ActionScript 3.0. It doesn't have to be a black & white issue, we can approach a gray area which resides in the freedom to see whatever content you want. I don't want Flash to disappear the same way I don't want HTML to disappear. They both serve different purposes so I don't understand the need for the HTML supporters to "kill Flash" or why this is turning into a VS scenario.
Same reason they won't allow other browsers such as Firefox or Chrome onto iPhone/iPad - they have to protect Safari or they might as well bin it.
I think he will hurt a little.
The new processors will be quad core which I think will be quite a lot quicker and longer lasting than the current MacBook Pro's.
The new Arrandale processor is dual-core.
Many think that quad-core mobile i7 in the MBP is unlikely due to power/heat issues.
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense, and of course all of iTunes' content is available for Windows and OS X too other than iPhone OS specific programs.