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Steve Jobs denies iP4 reception issues!
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lol its funny how people are trying to act like an Apple Engineer.. "Its a hardware fix, OMG Apple is done!!" relax... that's why they get paid the big bucks.. It will be fixed soon....
if bumper are the corrective measure for the reception issue, then i do not consider that as freebies ... it is the right thing to do for apple.
anyway, there are already lots of skin protectors and cases to fix and cover the iPhone 4. most of us do not needs apple's 50 cent plastic...
it looks like lots of people think we bought iPhone 4 for $199 and $299 to get the free bumpers? that is irritating and just ridiculous; people waited in line, online and pre-orders to get this Phone 4
do not always take people for granted, look around at the other companies what happened with them
i have to laugh so hard,, did you read the reviews?
here is one review
*** quote from amazons page****
Only the Spanish stations come in. I switched the button to VHF but nothing comes in. Am I missing something?
**** end quote
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MAYBE just MAYBE Apple wanted to actually make and provide a case for the iPhone 4 like they have in the past for the iPod and like they are now with the iPad. Do you think maybe there is some big conspiracy to why they made a case for the iPad, or maybe they made headphones for the iPhone because there's some problem with the sound. I think Apple just wanted to capitalize on a case for their own phone like all the other case makers have done. By the way I do have reception problems with my iPhone 4 and I did buy a bumper before I found this out.
Well I hope the if it's a software update, it doesn't compromise. Like where the signal doesn't drop, but overall signal is lowered. Or where all they did was change the delay of the signal bars (but still have the signal drop) so people don't see it dropping for a few minutes.
I already tried speedtest and although in the one spot I tested, the signal bar only moved by one bar, I can say my down/up went from: 1800/1100 to when I moved my hand (death grip) only to: 1700/300. The upload gets crippled fast.
And I know it's not graphical (the bar indicators) because if the bars drop (death grip) and you try the internet, it'll be dog slow. I tried this in a spot where I had full bars and waited for the bars to drop (from the death grip) to 1.
I already tried speedtest and although in the one spot I tested, the signal bar only moved by one bar, I can say my down/up went from: 1800/1100 to when I moved my hand (death grip) only to: 1700/300. The upload gets crippled fast.
And I know it's not graphical (the bar indicators) because if the bars drop (death grip) and you try the internet, it'll be dog slow. I tried this in a spot where I had full bars and waited for the bars to drop (from the death grip) to 1.
Don't you know that Apple is always guilty until its proven Not?
And Steve Jobs is always a liar by the same standard?
In a very competitive field WHY would Apple do that?
It only make sense for dumbs.
Yeah, stay tuned....
BTW: -78dbA (on table) and -116dbA in your hand (3G). But hey, it's not a hardware problem
I find it amusing how many people don't understand that embedded programming on somthing like a phone is always a combination of hardware and software. When it comes to embedded applications, neither hardware or software can reliably work without the other. While I haven't written phone firmware I've written other embedded software that needed to interact with external sensors. The bugs that can arise in certain situations truly are head scratching and often only the result of programming bugs.
psychology...
I think allot of people are seeing issues where there are none... I think allot of people just spent money they know they should have spent on paying down a credit card, or 3, and are feeling guilty, and are seeing these issues when the iPhone 4 isn't doing anything different than any other phone I've owned in over 10 years.
Anyone seeing this issue, let's try an experiment...
1.Turn your phone off.
2.Turn you phone on, slide and unlock.
3.Set it on a flat surface indoors (desk, table, counter top) in front of you.
4.Watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? Did it seem to fluctuate?
5.Repeat steps 1 and 2 then hold your phone in your left hand and watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? 0? Did it seem to fluctuate?
6. Repeat steps 1 and 2 then hold your phone with your thumb and forefinger away from all seams...watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? 0? Did it seem to fluctuate?
On my iPhone 4 inside my house I see the SAME amount of signal fluctuation, minute by minute in all 3 situations. Sometimes full sig, sometimes 2 bars, sometimes drops all the way to "Searching".
If I go outside. I get a much more steady 3-5 bars.. regardless of how I'm holding the phone.
Anyone else care to try this?
Then, we'll find out how many of your were breast fed or bottle fed...
I think allot of people are seeing issues where there are none... I think allot of people just spent money they know they should have spent on paying down a credit card, or 3, and are feeling guilty, and are seeing these issues when the iPhone 4 isn't doing anything different than any other phone I've owned in over 10 years.
Anyone seeing this issue, let's try an experiment...
1.Turn your phone off.
2.Turn you phone on, slide and unlock.
3.Set it on a flat surface indoors (desk, table, counter top) in front of you.
4.Watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? Did it seem to fluctuate?
5.Repeat steps 1 and 2 then hold your phone in your left hand and watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? 0? Did it seem to fluctuate?
6. Repeat steps 1 and 2 then hold your phone with your thumb and forefinger away from all seams...watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? 0? Did it seem to fluctuate?
On my iPhone 4 inside my house I see the SAME amount of signal fluctuation, minute by minute in all 3 situations. Sometimes full sig, sometimes 2 bars, sometimes drops all the way to "Searching".
If I go outside. I get a much more steady 3-5 bars.. regardless of how I'm holding the phone.
Anyone else care to try this?
Then, we'll find out how many of your were breast fed or bottle fed...
Guys, Just wait and see if this actually fixes the problems... or Just return the phone if you don't think it can be fixed, and stop wasting your time doubting it.
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Boy, I'm glad Microsoft didnt do this..
Because if they did, the Fanboy contingent would be having a litter of cats slamming them. But Apple is for the most part immune from this. Lets look at the calmly:
1. apple only does limited testing in a effort to protect its intellectual property.
2. As a result, when the product is released, you get issues like the one we are all experiencing now.
3. Apple, at first, says its OUR problem, but then retracts.
4. a promise of a forthcoming fix is made.
5. So Apple released a device with a significant design flaw that they cant blame ATT for.
Now lets look at the OS for a minute.
1. It was released for 3 different phones: 3G, 3Gs and 4.
2. But for those with a 3G, it is a total cluster phoque - buggy and very slow.
3.Did I mention slow. Its like the Windows XP of the iphone. Very disappointing.
All of this, from a company that made a living by slamming Microsoft for their slow, buggy code.
Oops..
Because if they did, the Fanboy contingent would be having a litter of cats slamming them. But Apple is for the most part immune from this. Lets look at the calmly:
1. apple only does limited testing in a effort to protect its intellectual property.
2. As a result, when the product is released, you get issues like the one we are all experiencing now.
3. Apple, at first, says its OUR problem, but then retracts.
4. a promise of a forthcoming fix is made.
5. So Apple released a device with a significant design flaw that they cant blame ATT for.
Now lets look at the OS for a minute.
1. It was released for 3 different phones: 3G, 3Gs and 4.
2. But for those with a 3G, it is a total cluster phoque - buggy and very slow.
3.Did I mention slow. Its like the Windows XP of the iphone. Very disappointing.
All of this, from a company that made a living by slamming Microsoft for their slow, buggy code.
Oops..
4.Watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? Did it seem to fluctuate? Rock solid 5, never varied.
5.Repeat steps 1 and 2 then hold your phone in your left hand and watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? 0? Did it seem to fluctuate? declines to 1 bar over 30 seconds, never changes never varies. Experience has shown if I was on a call it would be dropped.
6. Repeat steps 1 and 2 then hold your phone with your thumb and forefinger away from all seams...watch the bars for at least 3 minutes. Did it constantly show 4 bars? 2? 0? Did it seem to fluctuate? 5 bars, no fluctuation, holding on outstretched palm of hand not touching edges.
On my iPhone 4 inside my house I see the SAME amount of signal fluctuation, minute by minute in all 3 situations. Sometimes full sig, sometimes 2 bars, sometimes drops all the way to "Searching".
And I don't, not ever not once.
If I go outside. I get a much more steady 3-5 bars.. regardless of how I'm holding the phone. I get 5 bars if I don't hold normally, but when I do it goes down to 1 or 2 bars.
Anyone else care to try this? So what do you think it tells you?
I'm seriously thinking of returning mine unless the issue get resolved soon. Don't get me wrong I love the phone, but how good is a phone if it keeps dropping calls.
I've purchased a Gear4 Case which has rubber edges, but if i hold the phone (The way I am used to) it still drops the signal even with the case on.
It's not just me, a friend used my phone last night, he wondered what had happened cos it just cut off (click). It's really bad when i have to keep calling people back and apologising for having hung up on them.
Like I said, I love the phone, but £599.00 for a phone that i can't make calls on, even with a case on. I've had to switch back to my old 3G at the moment. At least I can actually have a conversation on it.
I've purchased a Gear4 Case which has rubber edges, but if i hold the phone (The way I am used to) it still drops the signal even with the case on.
It's not just me, a friend used my phone last night, he wondered what had happened cos it just cut off (click). It's really bad when i have to keep calling people back and apologising for having hung up on them.
Like I said, I love the phone, but £599.00 for a phone that i can't make calls on, even with a case on. I've had to switch back to my old 3G at the moment. At least I can actually have a conversation on it.
Again.. without saying how I've come by this information I can tell you this software will fix the way the phone is reporting signal.
Here's the big.. when you interfere with the signal the phone starts dropping bars. Duh. But the phone isn't reporting accurately in the first place so you lose them quickly but in truth your phone still has signal and could use it.. if the phone's "OMGINEEDSIGNAL" algorithms weren't making it impossible for you to place a call if you're close enough to a new tower.
Here's the source of your dropped calls
Step 1: Initiate Death Grip.
Step 2: Watch Signal Bars Drop
Step 3: Make sure there's a weaker second tower near by.
Step 4: Marvel as your phone seems to think you've gone from 5 bars to 1
Step 5: Phone connects to weaker, more unstable, connection because it thinks that's its best option
Step 6: You get disconnected.
Yes, I did read some of them, and I don't care about them.
There are many other models out there and they worked fine. Also the location where you were trying to use it is a key factor on how your experience with a portable device will be.
I am not going to invest much time on trying to find a perfect reference for this.
I was just trying to answer that post's question.
There other devices that have an antenna that you continually touch while you use them:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=headphone+antenna&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
I was expecting more elaborated replies, like that antenna mainly receives and it doesn't transmit. Or they have some kind of coating between the conductive element and your skin, etc.
*NOTE: ChrisJSNh, please don't take the following as personal, this is not aimed at you.
It is really sad how deteriorated this forum has become. Mainly filled with "proof me wrong attitude" posts, and many times is difficult to have good discussions.
Where is the good humor we used to have?
Steve is right.
"There is no reception issue" means "There is no (hardware) reception issue".
"Stay tuned" means "We will fix (software) reception issues".
iPhone 3GS with iOS 4.0 has the same issue.
Agreed!
My wife just had 2 dropped calls in a row while trying to talk to a coworker. But, no, there's no reception issue.
I haven't told my wife about the problem yet. I'll wait to see what this "fix" will be before I have to re-educate her about how to correctly hold the iPhone 4.
I haven't told my wife about the problem yet. I'll wait to see what this "fix" will be before I have to re-educate her about how to correctly hold the iPhone 4.
