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Steve Jobs denies iP4 reception issues!
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Plutonius
macrumors G4
Do people actually think before posting ?
Maybe because it takes engineering some time to isolate the cause of the problem and figure out a fix to it.
Fuchal
macrumors 68030
Yeah, I've found a number of 4.0 bugs in Mail, Photos, SMS... but I have no doubt those will be fixed.
If there are 3GS's having the same problem that upgraded to ios 4, then the fix is software.. Wait for an update... After reading and talking to people I am confident that Apple can and will fix this issue. I drop alot of calls with my new phone and know it is frustrating, but when it's fixed the phone will be perfect..I'll continue to wait.
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macrumors P6
Tonewheel
macrumors 6502a
Don't deflect. I'll take the word of the Apple CEO over "word up".
Although you are cooler.
Tonewheel
macrumors 6502a
A credible test would be to actually be making a call during those hand gestures and phone placement and report the results, not just bars on your screen.
master-ceo
macrumors 65816
I can digg that. The CEO will always be the man with positive answers to his loyal consumers. The CEO will always go out of his way to make his customers happy and feel welcomed after they spend their hard earned money on the latest and greatest.
God Bless the CEO
Has anyone tested the signal issue for an extended amount of time? We all know that when you hold the phone like that, it goes down, then you let go to show it go back up. But yesterday when I tested it, I held it until it went to no bars, then kept holding it. After about 3-4 minutes, my bars actually started to go back UP to 4! Then it went down a bar, then back up a bar. Has anyone experienced anything like this?
If it's all hardware, the bars should be all lost immediately and calls should drop immediately. But the bars are lost slowly and then the call is lost. When you mess with antenna on a TV, for example, the picture is not lost slowly, but is gone immediately.
So, it is the software that is not able to handle the change in reception and eventually loses the call.
Plutonius
macrumors G4
When you touch any antenna, the antenna signal is affected. In most devices now, software controls amplification, signal sampling, etc (i.e. everything is done in software). Apple is modifying IOS4 to hold signal when the antenna is attenuated.
gri
macrumors 6502a
No - worst case: Apple silently redesigns the phone and brings it out a few months from now with larger RAM to cover the actual reason up - and all the people (including myself) with the first batch are screwed.
Hmmm, Apple is trying to have it both ways. First they admit there are reception issues if you hold the bottom left corner. A place many people naturally hold their phone. Now they say there is no reception issue. This is all our imagination. Then what are we staying tuned for ? A rumored 4.01 software fix to the non-existant reception issue ? Apple...you can't have it both ways. So there is no reception issue, but yet you are coming out with a fix to the non-existant reception issue. LOL
Seems credible to me. Are you suggesting the problem is that the bars are inaccurate? Or that signal strength is not relevant to voice calling?
A great point, and let us not forget that this radio wouldn't be active without software of one kind or another telling it what to do at every step. Yes, your hand is likely causing interference but the phone's software is the bulk of the problem.
McGiord
macrumors 601
Can you repeat the test with an actual phone call, and if you have the time and desire make some combinations with cell network data usage. Have you experienced any dropped call?
Tonewheel
macrumors 6502a
Jax,
When I have 5 bars and place my hand over the suspect area of the phone, it slowly drops to zero bars, but maintains a signal. I tested this with a number of phone calls, and when bars went to zero, the call was just as clear and strong as when there were 5 bars indicated. FWIW, I'm in suburban Chicago.
Good News indeed.
But . . . will it magically change the antenna? or just cover up the problem?
It's not antenna attenuation. It's shorting out with the other antenna when you touch it at the seam. If it was simple antenna attenuation, then why does a bumper fix the issue if your hands are in the exact same spot ? Or why if you have your fingers just a few millimeters above or below the seam, without the bumper, the issue magically disappears. It's not antenna attenuation, it shorting out the two antennas due to a design flaw.
Plutonius
macrumors G4
Actually, I believe that Apple has said it's a non-issue all along although I believe it is. The two issues are dropped calls and the signal meter.
Apple should be able to fix in software the dropped calls due to antenna attenuation (holding it in the corner) but, I'm not sure how they can fix in software the low bar display (i.e. The phone will not drop calls while holding the corner but the meter will still show no bars when holding the corner).
They mentioned RAM as a possible reason for a design revision. Storage size changes would be the same.
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wants to buy my 17" Powerbook G4 1.0 GZh, 1 G Ram, 60G HD, (with padded case, all in excellent condition). What's a fair price?I have no clue and eBay listings were all over the map.