I know I know. I was able to refrain for so many pages and then I gave in and responded. I knew better and did it anyway. So, I'm climbing out of his black hole and moving on. I've never put anyone on ignore and this sounds like a great opportunity to try it out.
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Steve Jobs denies iP4 reception issues!
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I know I know. I was able to refrain for so many pages and then I gave in and responded. I knew better and did it anyway. So, I'm climbing out of his black hole and moving on. I've never put anyone on ignore and this sounds like a great opportunity to try it out.
I would imagine you're quite pleased with yourself being able to elicit so many replies.
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FYI: Chill1n showed up as chillin on AppleInsider forums about the same time as here.
FYI: Chill1n showed up as chillin on AppleInsider forums about the same time as here.
You wrote that with me in mind and didn't even make any sense in it... how cute.
You're not even reading who's posting what at this point, you're just responding blindly, as as such, I offer you this advice:
Move on, because you've basically worn out your welcome in this thread. You joined the forum a few days ago and haven't offered much of anything except instant rebuttals to everything that pretty much everyone has posted without respect for their first-hand knowledge and experience with the iPhone 4 of which you have no experience nor do you ever intend to as stated by you yourself in a previous post.
You're not helping anyone with your posts, you're only drawing more critical attention to you personally, and your consistent usage of the "ad hominem" thing is only going to further enrage people (if it hasn't already). You're not adding anything positive to this thread with the "PROVE IT PROVE IT GIMME TRUTH" argument.
As I noted, we have our proof, those of us that have commented on our experience with using the iPhone 4, and you haven't, nor do you have any intentions of doing so.
Move on, soon. If not, it might cost you.
And that's the truth.
You're not even reading who's posting what at this point, you're just responding blindly, as as such, I offer you this advice:
Move on, because you've basically worn out your welcome in this thread. You joined the forum a few days ago and haven't offered much of anything except instant rebuttals to everything that pretty much everyone has posted without respect for their first-hand knowledge and experience with the iPhone 4 of which you have no experience nor do you ever intend to as stated by you yourself in a previous post.
You're not helping anyone with your posts, you're only drawing more critical attention to you personally, and your consistent usage of the "ad hominem" thing is only going to further enrage people (if it hasn't already). You're not adding anything positive to this thread with the "PROVE IT PROVE IT GIMME TRUTH" argument.
As I noted, we have our proof, those of us that have commented on our experience with using the iPhone 4, and you haven't, nor do you have any intentions of doing so.
Move on, soon. If not, it might cost you.
And that's the truth.
Cut and paste from AI:
chillin
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Check YOSELF . . . cuz.
I've accidentally hung up on like four people with my new iPhone. I've never had this problem with my 3GS. I also have dropped a few call, which never happened to me before. I cannot wait until we get a fix on the antenna deal. It's all I hear about now when I tell people about my new phone.
I enjoy people that can think for themselves and share their experiences, not people that don't belong in a conversation or discussion just because they feel it's their duty to step in and point out what THEY believe are fallacies or mistakes. You don't have an iPhone 4, you don't plan to own an iPhone 4, hence you don't realistically belong in this thread discussing the fact that Steve Jobs says there is nothing wrong with our phones - you know, the one you don't own and don't ever plan to own - and we say there is.
Thus, the burden of proof - of truth - is now squarely on Steve's shoulders since we have our proof/truth. Our phones don't work, while he states they do.
If you're so hip to the truth thing, why not ask Steve Jobs to prove there isn't a problem? You're taking his position here by telling us we're mistaken, that our truth isn't accurate and our truth is unworthy, but nobody is pointing a finger at Steve Jobs and saying "Hey, Steve, you said there's no problem with the iPhone 4. Prove it."
Why? Because he doesn't care about anyone but himself and Apple. He told us we don't know how to hold a damned cell phone, can you believe that? Would you consider his statement of truth, or a statement of sheer total arrogance? Which one? It sure as hell isn't both, so choose: truth, or arrogance, and explain your reasoning from start to finish, and provide all the steps you can muster from start to finish.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Thus, the burden of proof - of truth - is now squarely on Steve's shoulders since we have our proof/truth. Our phones don't work, while he states they do.
If you're so hip to the truth thing, why not ask Steve Jobs to prove there isn't a problem? You're taking his position here by telling us we're mistaken, that our truth isn't accurate and our truth is unworthy, but nobody is pointing a finger at Steve Jobs and saying "Hey, Steve, you said there's no problem with the iPhone 4. Prove it."
Why? Because he doesn't care about anyone but himself and Apple. He told us we don't know how to hold a damned cell phone, can you believe that? Would you consider his statement of truth, or a statement of sheer total arrogance? Which one? It sure as hell isn't both, so choose: truth, or arrogance, and explain your reasoning from start to finish, and provide all the steps you can muster from start to finish.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Disingenuous. You didn't bring that up until you were caught. You told me to check, thinking I wouldn't. You may have sock puppets but you were trying to deceive.
I registered for the sole purpose of calling you out. It was clear that the regulars on this forum find you as annoying as those on AI. They were on the verge of tossing you, so I thought I'd let them know their instincts were correct.
If you were an honest person you wouldn't need sock puppet shenanigans.
That's what it means.
Actually, there is another alternative. Statistical sampling. At some point the sample size become large enough, that even though any specific sample could be biased or a reporting error, the probability that they all are or even most of them are becomes vanishingly small.
Not to say that the result couldn't be biased. But even the amount of bias has its limits once the randomness and size of the sample becomes large enough. (e.g. it's not just 10 employees of gizmoody)
I've seen enough reports that I no longer care if chillington can pick apart a small subset of them. The likelihood that something strange with the antenna is occuring is now extremely probable.
I also have experience in antenna and RF design (some knowledge of which is required for certain types of FCC operator licensing, which I have), and whatever is going on does not violate any laws of physics or RF engineering. Parasitic capacitance and absorption can affect microwave antenna gain by significant amounts.
To get the cellular antenna far away from the circuit board and other antennas, which also diminishes the gain. The far edges of a rectangle (when under a half wavelength in maximum dimension) is usually the best location. That's were Apple put them this time.
I was under the impression that these tests are showing full or mostly full bars dropping to one or nothing. Granted a high bar count might not translate to 100% of possible clarity but it certainly should approximate good to excellent signal strength.
Understand, the following is written mainly to illustrate where I'm coming from. I'm not submitting it as evidence, simply explaining why I personally don't think it's an issue of signal strength. I have on my device been able to replicate the issue at my place of work. On both my 3GS and my iPhone 4 I have had full bars and call/data quality has been fine notwithstanding the death grip on the latter in that location. If the bar count is that far off, it would have had to have been off in iPhone OS 3 as well as not affected the service quality. I have also tried sticking something non conductive between my hand and the iPhone and have seen for myself the problem either disappear entirely or become so small that it's not reflected on the screen. This is why I think and tend to believe reports that the issue is primarily one of skin contact. I realize to everyone but me I really might as well just be making this up, but since I know I'm not then that's where I'm coming from.
I don't know if this is an issue with reception or not but does anyone else have a problem loading things over 3G on the iPhone 4? It shows that it has full service and 3G but when I go in to load a web page sometimes it loads quickly like on my 3GS and then other times it will start and then never finish and more often then not it starts and never finishes. This also happens with the app store and the facebook app also. Either I'll launch the app store and it'll just stay on loading until I quit out and try loading it again or it will just load up fine, same with the facebook app. I really don't know if this is the same issue that people are having with the reception decreasing when the phone is held a certain way but I was just wondering if any one else was having the same problems.
Mike:
Welcome to the party as your experience (and your temp solution with the whatever material you used to block the skin contact) is pretty much what most every other iPhone 4 owner has attempted at least once or twice (me, dozens of times over the past 4.5 days). Your experience is just another mark in the "Positive" column.
And make sure you vote in the poll on the MacRumors front page that yes you are having issues (in the US).
NEXT!!!
Welcome to the party as your experience (and your temp solution with the whatever material you used to block the skin contact) is pretty much what most every other iPhone 4 owner has attempted at least once or twice (me, dozens of times over the past 4.5 days). Your experience is just another mark in the "Positive" column.
And make sure you vote in the poll on the MacRumors front page that yes you are having issues (in the US).
NEXT!!!
WARNING: DO NOT FEED TROLL!
LET THIS THREAD DIE.
LET THIS THREAD DIE.
The numerous anecdotal posts and videos meet most reasonable persons' burden of proof for indicating a problem. Don't get caught in the endless troll. You will only lose time and effort.
Actually, I agree with your position, but that is not the point. I will not be posting again, my work here is done. I leave you to your fate on this thread. Mu-ha-ha-ha.
I thought it was clear that if a software fix was possible, it was because the iPhone software had problems switching frequencies when needed (meaning when theres interference for a particular frequency).
I'm no engineer or anything but it makes a lot of sense to me.....
Can't wait until this phone gets release here in Canada so i can buy like 10 unlocked and resell them to americans
I'm no engineer or anything but it makes a lot of sense to me.....
Can't wait until this phone gets release here in Canada so i can buy like 10 unlocked and resell them to americans
I for one did run speed tests. I was able to get over 1000kb/sec on upload, which is unheard of. But just touching the wrong spot, that number dropped to below 200kb/sec.
I watched they keynote. One of the biggest things he made a big deal over was better reception, which I heard many people complaining with the 3GS. Now that my signal drops when I hold the phone, he says it's not an issue, but that it's me holding the phone? And that I should buy that $20+ rubber band to fix it? Or use a BT headset? To be honest, I would've bought the band and I do use a BT headset, but I was on vacation when I got the Iphone. I preordered it and would you believe they ran out of the rubber band thing before they sold half the iPhones? And I didn't bring my bt earpiece. So having this bad reception is getting on my nerves.
I want to give this iPhone a chance, since I moved my number from tmobile to AT&T. I hope it's fixed before the 14 day remorse is over.
Btw, true story. I went to the apple store to ask about this problem on Saturday. He said he has heard some people saying they have this problem but they can't replicate the issue. I told him I know I have the problem. He said ah good, let's see it. I pretty much held my finger on the black line on the left of the iPhone. Nothing happened. I held the phone how I would normally hold it to my head. (palm is on the line) and it didn't seem to change. He said see, it's not the phone. I was like, what the hell... Wait. Do you have a cell repeater for AT&T? Um yes. Well he'll, you're not gonna see the signal drop if I'm sitting on a "cell tower". I could remove an attenna and still have enough signal to place a call. He was like, oh maybe that could be it. Doh. Sure enough, once I was outside down the mall, I could replicate the signal loss.
I watched they keynote. One of the biggest things he made a big deal over was better reception, which I heard many people complaining with the 3GS. Now that my signal drops when I hold the phone, he says it's not an issue, but that it's me holding the phone? And that I should buy that $20+ rubber band to fix it? Or use a BT headset? To be honest, I would've bought the band and I do use a BT headset, but I was on vacation when I got the Iphone. I preordered it and would you believe they ran out of the rubber band thing before they sold half the iPhones? And I didn't bring my bt earpiece. So having this bad reception is getting on my nerves.
I want to give this iPhone a chance, since I moved my number from tmobile to AT&T. I hope it's fixed before the 14 day remorse is over.
Btw, true story. I went to the apple store to ask about this problem on Saturday. He said he has heard some people saying they have this problem but they can't replicate the issue. I told him I know I have the problem. He said ah good, let's see it. I pretty much held my finger on the black line on the left of the iPhone. Nothing happened. I held the phone how I would normally hold it to my head. (palm is on the line) and it didn't seem to change. He said see, it's not the phone. I was like, what the hell... Wait. Do you have a cell repeater for AT&T? Um yes. Well he'll, you're not gonna see the signal drop if I'm sitting on a "cell tower". I could remove an attenna and still have enough signal to place a call. He was like, oh maybe that could be it. Doh. Sure enough, once I was outside down the mall, I could replicate the signal loss.
Of course not, there are too many variables. It's only the percentage of places that counts when doing a statistical sample. It's so far from non-zero right now, with uncorrelated samples, that it can't be a fluke.
I can't reproduce the problem when any place with over 10 equivalent bars of coverage. With only 5 bars (and I know where that is, as there's a dBm service mode trick that used to work with my older 3G), I can. Just touch the bare gap with a wet finger. The only factor I can't currently account for is the current band in use, 850 or 1.9 as I don't know how to get that info out of my i4's baseband system.
I use a bumper if I want to make phone calls on my i4 at a reasonable percentage of random locations.
I've experienced it in the app store but not facebook. I have been having issues with iTunes and the app store on my Mac lately though as well so I wouldn't be surprised if things are just acting wonky on their end.
The antenna could be better tuned to the weaker signal.
I have several large antennas above me right now. When tuned, I can get Africa. When detuned, I get nothing.
bridge the antennas
The black line separates the antennas When our hands bridge the antennas thats when the signal fails , im guessing thats why the stainless steel frame is not one solid piece and thats why apple made the bumpers . try it out by placing your finger only on either side of the black line and then try it by placing your hand on the black line on the left side bridging the antennas.
The black line separates the antennas When our hands bridge the antennas thats when the signal fails , im guessing thats why the stainless steel frame is not one solid piece and thats why apple made the bumpers . try it out by placing your finger only on either side of the black line and then try it by placing your hand on the black line on the left side bridging the antennas.
I'm pretty confident that once they release it in Canada this is not going to happen. I signed on the first day the 3GS was released to other carriers than only Rogers in Canada, on a brand new, buggy HSPA+ network. I never had a dropped call on my 3GS. Only thing that happens is sometimes I get call failed but well, its a cellphone so it's pretty much normal.
However, my sister uses the exact same iPhone model, but on Rogers' network (which is GSM/HSPA, same frequencies as At&T, used to be called Rogers AT&T) and she gets dropped call more often. Is it possible the iPhones just aren't made for GSM/HSPA ?