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"minor details" ... In your opinion then..... Will Apple be fixing that this-car-needs-a-truck problem, before or after they catch up with all the computer makers who for over 5 years, have been offering 3G cellular modems in their laptops?
 
Comparing suicide rates of a nation to that of a corporation is completely idiotic. Big fail on that one Stevo.

Why not? If they weren't in the corporation, they'd be part of a country. With an even higher suicide rate.

I'm pretty sure they're still part of their country even while working for a corporation :rolleyes:


You're really not seeing this as an apples (no pun intended) and oranges comparison? Really?

Steve said:
...13 suicides out of 400,000 workers this year is less than the U.S. rate of 11 per 100,000, but it's still troubling.

He's talking about the number of suicides at a corporation in Taiwan (with allegations of abusive employment) vs. the number of suicides in the U.S. (where the reasons for suicide could be much more diverse).

A corporation is a much more specific group than an entire (different) nation. To compare those on equal footing like Steve's comment implies is idiotic. That's all I'm saying.
 
"The biggest lesson Apple has learned is price it aggressively and go for volume."

LOL right. Thats why my laptop was grossly overpriced at around $2000 with a student discount.

Oh steve, your so full of BS. The floppy drive and serial ports cannot be compared with flash. As its been said before, HTML5 can not do what flash does, flash isn't going away anytime soon, and only a fanboy would be so blind to so that.

And oh yea, didn't that guy who found the phone try to return it to Apple? and they blew him off? I think Apple got what it deserved, and they are getting a little to big for their britches.
 
He's talking about the number of suicides at a corporation in Taiwan (with allegations of abusive employment) vs. the number of suicides in the U.S. (where the reasons for suicide could be much more diverse).

Therefore if the suicide rate at the corporation is lower, they must have much less of those other diverse reasons which would kill even more people. So it's an obvious improvement.
 
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"minor details" ... In your opinion then..... Will Apple be fixing that this-car-needs-a-truck problem, before or after they catch up with all the computer makers who for over 5 years, have been offering 3G cellular modems in their laptops?

The likelihood of Apple including 3G on anything more than a Macbook Air are slim to none in my opinion.

I'll quote my previous post for you just to show you why I think that is:

For those that don't quite get what Steve means by the truck analogy, here's my take:

Desktops and laptops will slowly become tools for content creators and devices like the IPad and the IPhone (the new personal computers) will become for content consumers.

This is already clear when you look at Desktop sales vs laptop sales data over the last 3 years. The same will eventually happen with laptops and more portable devices. It's inevitable really because we all want what's more convenient.
 
You're arguments are pretty specious when over 90% of net video uses Flash ... I think that's a pretty important choice for a limited use device .... also MHO !!!!!

It's OK, but that 90% has nothing to do with your choice. Go get your Android Tablet and be happy!
 
Steve is very disingenuous. Saying "we don' have the resources others have" (when commenting on why Apple doesn't support Flash)....are you kidding me? The 2nd highest market cap in the world and over $40 billion in cash .... this guy gets too much of a free ride when he's interviewed this is total BS!!!!

Resources isn't purely cash. You need to have smart engineers of all kinds in order to produce great stuff, not to mention you need to be able to actually create the material or if you're not the creator, you need to be able to have somebody who can produce the technology for you.

It doesn't matter if Apple has a trillion dollars, it won't get them anywhere if they don't have the engineers to pull it off, and if they don't have the actual technology on the market to be able to buy them.

Next question is, if Apple have the money, why not hire more thousands of engineers then? Just because this country can produce 10,000-50,000 college grads in engineering fields every year does not mean every one of them is capable of doing it. They still need experience and further skills to pull off the engineering smarts that Apple needs. Apple won't hire any random engineers, they need highly creative person who can think on their own and also have an engineering background, that alone is very hard to find.

You can train a person all you want, but if his creativity is not there, he'll never meet your expectation of being a capable engineer.


Not necessarily. What's the point of building a search engine? To sell advertising, right? Only way to make money. Now that you have a large number of people stuck in the app world (iphone, ipad, AppleTV maybe) maybe his ultimate goal is to actually get people off of using a browser at all - in the device space. Serve up ads using iAd within the aps. Should be more money there than google's keyword ads ...

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The search engine is all about the AI behind it (some AI, we call them crawlers or indexers, they need to be able to understand what they're doing), Apple just need the AI to produce the advertisement, they only need an inventory of their partners and use the AI to match up the ADs to the content of the application. They don't need a search engine and they don't need to go into the search business to do this, just the AI itself.

$42 billion in cash is poor? Apple can afford all the R&D it wants to....I think you should learn to be a tad perspicacious my friend .... the reality distortion field is getting to you

Read above, cash is not resource in all itself.

"Steve: We had a rule that said you can't defame other people."


great .... he became an arbiter of free speech and censor extraordinaire

I didn't say it was unconstitutional ... I'm saying he's a censor!!!!! The guy won a bloody Pulitzer Prize for his work ----

It's a private store owned by a company, there's no censorship issue here. The company can censor all they want.

Also there are laws about defaming people in general as well, Apple just cuts out both ends instead. Nobody getting defamed in their app store and nobody can defame anybody. It's a good policy. It doesn't matter how many awards a person wins, it doesn't entitle them from defaming other people and doesn't entitle them for a spot in a private store just because he won something.



well is Apple's platform (admittedly a gated community by any definition) a technological platform or a platform where the merchant (and that's what Apple is -- a middleman, a merchant in it for it's 30% cut) is going to be an arbiter of morals and taste?

The App store is a store, they can pick and choose what to display in their store. Simple as that. People don't like it, they can go to another store.
 
I sense Steve is working on a full TV with iphone os and :apple:TV built into it.

7:56PM Steve: So all you can do is ADD a box to the TV. You just end up with a table full of remotes, a cluster of boxes... and that's what we have today. The only way that's going to change is if you tear up the set top box, give it a new UI, and get it in front of consumers in a way they're going to want it. The TV is going to lose in our eyes until there is a better go to market strategy... otherwise you're just making another TiVo.

7:54PM Q: Hi, I'm from Hillcrest Labs... do you think it's time to throw out the interface for TV? When will Apple do something there?

A: The problem with innovation in the TV industry is the go to market strategy. The TV industry has a subsidized model that gives everyone a set top box for free. So no one wants to buy a box. Ask TiVo, ask Roku, ask us... ask Google in a few months.
 
why not give people CHOICE (that's a great concept isn't it?) - users would be able to disable the plug in if not satisfied with its performance or if system resources needed to be used efficaciously (i.e. extend battery life)....

You do have a choice, you can buy a different phone if you want flash. What part of this don't you understand? It's not steve's job to give you everything you want. He's giving us what he thinks is best. If you don't like it then you don't have to buy it. Really simple, actually.

Secondly, flash is adobe's child. I'm amazed that somehow you feel it's apple's money that should be spent to fix Adobe's problem. You need to get over thinking Apple is responsible for everything.

Which brings me to Foxconn. Apple is trying to help where they can. Some believe it's just a PR stunt. Maybe, maybe not, but apparently Apple is helping out when no one else is. That factory makes things for other companies too you know. Why are we not talking crap about those companies as well. What you begin to see is that journalism is solely focused on getting attention and apparently Apple is the one to go after, not Dell or anyone else. It's fake journalism is that's disingenuous and disturbing.
 
I don't know what he's on, but no game on their mobile platforms look even close to good console games. Uncharted 2? Alan Wake? MGS4? Crysis (PC game I know, but still)?
 
I'm pretty sure they're still part of their country even while working for a corporation :rolleyes:



You're really not seeing this as an apples (no pun intended) and oranges comparison? Really?

Steve said:


He's talking about the number of suicides at a corporation in Taiwan (with allegations of abusive employment) vs. the number of suicides in the U.S. (where the reasons for suicide could be much more diverse).

A corporation is a much more specific group than an entire (different) nation. To compare those on equal footing like Steve's comment implies is idiotic. That's all I'm saying.

It's not idiotic, he made a valid point. Any comparison is never going to be on an equal footing, that's the whole point of comparing them on the first place.

It's a group of 400,000 employees working in a factory in a repressive country versus any given 100,000 general people in US and yet the suicide rate is better in the factory than it is in US is what his point was. We should be having a much better ratio but yet the factory in China beats us.
 
I don't know what he's on, but no game on their mobile platforms look even close to good console games. Uncharted 2? Alan Wake? MGS4? Crysis (PC game I know, but still)?

yes but i think what steve gets to is that companys will make a game that you will probally keep it on your iPhone if you enjoy it and you will probally play it more times than you would that ps3 or 360 game cause face it i play a avarge game once twice or more if its really good unless its a sports game, but if you play that game on your iPhone you're gonna get more play when your bored travling etc.
 
"Steve: We had a rule that said you can't defame other people."


great .... he became an arbiter of free speech and censor extraordinaire
Freedom of speech does not necessarily equate to freedom to publish defamatory material without being subject to consequences for such action. Apple could potentially be held liable for defamatory material sold through the App Store, and could also face significant public scrutiny if such material is perceived to be hateful or politically incorrect. It's not censorship, but merely Apple's choice not to participate in such activity. If you want to have defamatory content on your iPhone or iPad, you can always find it on the web...

In any case, when Apple realized that its policy was excluding desirable apps, Apple modified the policy.
 
People can debate the finer points of the interview, but overall, I thought it was pretty good.

Although I disagree with some of his arguments, he stood by them and his company well-- I really do like it when he engages in public speaking. There wasn't many new details here however, but that's not a surprise, especially since WWDC is right around the corner.
 
You do have a choice, you can buy a different phone if you want flash. What part of this don't you understand? It's not steve's job to give you everything you want. He's giving us what he thinks is best. If you don't like it then you don't have to buy it. Really simple, actually.

Secondly, flash is adobe's child. I'm amazed that somehow you feel it's apple's money that should be spent to fix Adobe's problem. You need to get over thinking Apple is responsible for everything.

Which brings me to Foxconn. Apple is trying to help where they can. Some believe it's just a PR stunt. Maybe, maybe not, but apparently Apple is helping out when no one else is. That factory makes things for other companies too you know. Why are we not talking crap about those companies as well. What you begin to see is that journalism is solely focused on getting attention and apparently Apple is the one to go after, not Dell or anyone else. It's fake journalism is that's disingenuous and disturbing.

Whoever owns Flash is irrelevant right now... it's a de facto standard (ask Time and NBC). What should be paramount in this case, since the iPad is ALL ABOUT consuming content, is gaining access to that content ... any decision contrary to that, or impeding that, is BAD ... end of story... in 3 to 5 years it may be a different story ... Regrettably today it isn't ... if you think so, I believe you live with blinders on....
 
"The biggest lesson Apple has learned is price it aggressively and go for volume."

LOL right. Thats why my laptop was grossly overpriced at around $2500 with a student discount.

Oh steve, your so full of BS. The floppy drive and serial ports cannot be compared with flash. As its been said before, HTML5 can not do what flash does, flash isn't going away anytime soon, and only a fanboy would be so blind to so that.

And oh yea, didn't that guy who found the phone try to return it to Apple? and they blew him off? I think Apple got what it deserved, and they are getting a little to big for their britches.

My god some of you people are clueless! Regarding the price "aggressively go for volume", he is talking about content, i.e., apps, media, etc. NOT hardware.

And no, as had been reported and discussed numerous times, once the search warrant was released to the public, the guy with the prototype phone did NOT try to return it. His roommate eventually contacted Apple when she got wind of him trying to sell it to the highest bidder while trying to cover his tracks, through her computer, which is why she reported him (so she wouldn't get implicated in the whole thing.)

You are nothing but another Troll Spreading FUD...
 
Freedom of speech does not necessarily equate to freedom to publish defamatory material without being subject to consequences for such action. Apple could potentially be held liable for defamatory material sold through the App Store, and could also face significant public scrutiny if such material is perceived to be hateful or politically incorrect. It's not censorship, but merely Apple's choice not to participate in such activity. If you want to have defamatory content on your iPhone or iPad, you can always find it on the web...

In any case, when Apple realized that its policy was excluding desirable apps, Apple modified the policy.

No ... that's total crap...they're no more liable than your bookstore would be that's selling a book that could defame someone
 
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No mentioning about iMacs and macbook?
Dissapointing...
I guess I need to wait 1 more week!
 
Whoever owns Flash is irrelevant right now... it's a de facto standard (ask Time and NBC). What should be paramount in this case, since the iPad is ALL ABOUT consuming content, is gaining access to that content ... any decision contrary to that, or impeding that, is BAD ... end of story... in 3 to 5 years it may be a different story ... Regrettably today it isn't ... if you think so, I believe you live with blinders on....

And another clueless person... YOU are the one with blinders on. Whomever owns Flash IS relevant, that' the whole point! Adobe has yet to ship a working version of Flash to ANY mobile platform. They finally demoed the (5 years in the making) demo version the other week on the latest and greatest Android platform and the first thing it did, was crash! So go blame the owners of Flash (Adobe) not the company that doesn't want that junk on their platform (which is not only just Apple.)
 
- On WebKit, particularly for mobile devices: "Almost every modern browser is based on it...Nokia, Palm, Android, RIM. We've created a real competitor to Internet Explorer. It's #1 in mobile."

In terms of users, I guess Opera would be #1 on mobile. Opera Mobile is a great browser - personally prefer "Mobile" edition over Opera Mini - more functional ( Mobile and Mini - two different products ).

Still, Webkit is a fine framework and certainly drives towards W3C standards - together with Opera and Firefox. I don't think any one takes IE mobile ( or whatever its called ) very seriously.
 
Whoever owns Flash is irrelevant right now... it's a de facto standard (ask Time and NBC). What should be paramount in this case, since the iPad is ALL ABOUT consuming content, is gaining access to that content ... any decision contrary to that, or impeding that, is BAD ... end of story... in 3 to 5 years it may be a different story ... Regrettably today it isn't ... if you think so, I believe you live with blinders on....

So was floppy disk, it was the de facto method of transferring data and yet Apple took the first step to dropping it and picking something better.

De facto standards does not make all company obligated to support. Companies can choose to support the de facto or not.

What don't you understand? Apple doesn't care, period. They think HTML5 is better and they're going to stick with it. Just because you THINK it's bad, it doesn't matter to them. They have the right to do whatever they want. JUST as you have the right to not buy their products.
 
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