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Steve Jobs is a liar, Flash works fine on iPhone
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First, when did Apple advertise the "whole" internet? You mean the "all the parts" ad three years ago?
Second, how would you define the "whole" internet? Seems like a pretty subjective claim.
Again, you own the hardware. You can modify it however you want. Apple will not try and stop you. You can even replace the OS with the OS of your choosing.
You do not own iOS. You license it. Almost all commercial software is sold this way.
Car analogies don't work well for this topic. Ownership rights with physical property are not the same as copyrights for IP.
The problem is that trying to keep a platform secure runs counter to the concept of a free for all. Now, Apple could open up the app store, not require signed/sandboxed apps and what-not, but those decisions do pose some security risks as a result. Mobile phones have historically been pushed to NOT have these sorts of security risks.
Jailbreaking involves using security holes in the OS in order to bypass the security of the platform. It would be absurd for Apple to leave those holes open because they are root level security holes. These security holes are literally considered severe if they are found on OS X, and people here brew up a storm if Apple doesn't fix it right away.
So why should Apple be any different on their phone and not close these holes? These holes which can be used just as easily for malware as it can for Jailbreaking?
Yes, that ad is an example. It was banned in the UK in 2008 because it was misleading.
Open Firefox or IE. THAT is what I would call the "whole internet."
Apple could easily do what Google did with the Nexus One and ship the phones with an unlockable bootloader. No hacks needed then.
They won't, of course, because they're control freaks.
Any other examples? Because that was two years ago. Not really applicable any more.
Those are both browsers. They are not the internet. I asked how you define the "whole internet".
Being willfully obtuse doesn't really help your argument. We are done, have a good night.
I'm not being obtuse. I'm making a specific point. Why couldn't you answer my question?
The "whole internet" is subjective. It's hard to define. If you are referring to the ability of a browser to properly display any content type accessible on the internet, then there isn't a browser on the planet that can access the whole internet.
Apple is choosing to define the internet in terms of open standards. How is "open standards + flash" any better of a definition?
You also claimed that Apple "advertises" (present tense) that iOS devices support the "whole" internet. Any examples other than the single two year old ad that I mentioned?
Is "the whole internet" really preferable to an internet experience that is well optimized for the capabilities and limitations of smart phones? I don't think it's an entirely good idea to measure the capabilities of a phone by how much it emulates a PC web browser. You can go the Evo/Droid X route and build bigger and bigger phones to let them act more and more like PCs, but that's not entirely appealing for those who want their mobile phones to, ya know, stay mobile.
This illustrates something very well.
There may have been PC laptops prior to Apple's Mac Portable, but Apple pioneered the form factor that almost every laptop still uses. Apple was the first to use Active Matrix displays in the Mac Portable. The Powerbook 100 was the first to have the keyboard close to the screen and palmrests.
To sum up...other companies may do some things first, Apple does it best.
Flash has always been a CPU hog. I don't even want it running on my laptop (I use the flashblock add-in for Firefox.) I found that my battery life was roughly double just making that change. Why would I want that for my phone?
The good that may come from this: Adobe goes back to the lab and improves flash to the point where it's no longer an issue.
The good that may come from this: Adobe goes back to the lab and improves flash to the point where it's no longer an issue.
Flash is used in business a lot and is one of the best deployment tools.
Second, I don't get why anyone would oppose having it as an OPTION.
Apple is being stupid here. When I get an iPhone I fully expect to be able to install Flash via jailbreak. Although I expect I'll have to backup and rejailbreak everytime they update which is a royal pain in the azz. Thanks for being stupid Apple and Steve Jobs. Do they seriously think they can control everything? They will lose badly like they did to MS in the 90s with Windows. Android will crush iPhone in a year or two if Apple doesn't allow Flash among other things, specifically..if they don't open up more.
Fine have App Store. Stipulate in the contract you only provide customer support providing users don't unlock the phone and use un-approved apps. But it SHOULD be easy to circumvent this and install another OS or apps, and use it without customer support. Like Android.
Honestly the only reason I am going to get an iPhone is for GIS and geo apps. I fully expect in a year or two (when I will get out of my ATT contract) that Android will serve my GIS needs much much better.
Second, I don't get why anyone would oppose having it as an OPTION.
Apple is being stupid here. When I get an iPhone I fully expect to be able to install Flash via jailbreak. Although I expect I'll have to backup and rejailbreak everytime they update which is a royal pain in the azz. Thanks for being stupid Apple and Steve Jobs. Do they seriously think they can control everything? They will lose badly like they did to MS in the 90s with Windows. Android will crush iPhone in a year or two if Apple doesn't allow Flash among other things, specifically..if they don't open up more.
Fine have App Store. Stipulate in the contract you only provide customer support providing users don't unlock the phone and use un-approved apps. But it SHOULD be easy to circumvent this and install another OS or apps, and use it without customer support. Like Android.
Honestly the only reason I am going to get an iPhone is for GIS and geo apps. I fully expect in a year or two (when I will get out of my ATT contract) that Android will serve my GIS needs much much better.
In your opinion. It depends on your priorities.
The advantage to not having it as an option would be to force developers to use HTML5 and other emerging web standards instead of Flash in order to address the iOS user base.
Seriously?
OOOooooohhh. By "stupid", you just meant that they don't make the exact product that you want.
No.
Ignoring the fact that the smartphone market in 2010 has very little in common with the personal computer market in 2009, isn't that how a free market is supposed to work? If Flash is that important, Apple will lose sales. Doesn't appear to be a problem currently.
(And currently is when Flash has it's largest advantage. Two years from now, open standards are going to be more competitive with Flash technologically.)
If you want an OS like Android, why not use Android? You can even install it on your iPhone!
The biggest advantage of the App Store is that developers actually make money. Not being able to sideload apps from other sources without jailbreak minimizes piracy and cuts out a lot of the crap. Yes, Apple does go too far sometimes. Google Voice being the top example.
I'm not saying that Apple has made the right decisions for the long term. Maybe, maybe not. But the do have good, rational reasons behind their decisions that serve customers, developers, and their bottom line.
Installed Frash on iPad; Regular Videos don't load now
I installed Frash on my iPad and it works. Except when I try to play regular videos on websites such as CNN.com and Ted.com that have their videos converted to HTML5. Is anyone else having this issue? I don't see anybody complaining about it anywhere else. I think perhaps it's just me.
I installed Frash on my iPad and it works. Except when I try to play regular videos on websites such as CNN.com and Ted.com that have their videos converted to HTML5. Is anyone else having this issue? I don't see anybody complaining about it anywhere else. I think perhaps it's just me.
You don't see many complaints, because not many are using it. Frash is still in alpha and is very buggy. The vast majority of flash applets fail for me, but I haven't posted much about it, since that was what I expected. I'd like to see a quick toggle for it in it's current state since it messes up so many sites right now.
Someone ported Androids Flash 10.1 to IOS for the iPad and iPhone and it works great. I don't even care if it uses more battery I just want the full web.
I bet SJ will be furious when everyone jailbreaks for this and his app store sales go down.
You should not use the word liar maybe SJ has different understanding of the matter. We should be respectful of each other.
I remember the whole flash thing and being critical of Jobs.
Now, inking back, it was the best thing ever.
Helping to kill Flash made everything in tech better.
Now, inking back, it was the best thing ever.
Helping to kill Flash made everything in tech better.
Its important to remember that every product is a compromise of sorts. Its no secret Apple is a closed limited choice ecosystem. Other more open enhanced functionality products are available. Android and Windows are but two examples. Those who like simple and don't mind Apples pricing and limitations have that choice. Some of us prefer the enjoyment of using several platforms and ecosystems. No point in arguing if Apple doesn't suit you. Use something else.
You've been a member since May and posted almost 100 times, so please pay more attention when searching the forum or viewing "similar threads." This thread was last posted in more than 5 years ago, and the member which you replied to hasn't logged in since August of 2011.
