Steve Jobs is a liar, Flash works fine on iPhone

[hippo206]

Here is the problem, Apple feels it is better to have the user experience a well running phone that doesnt have flash than one that does have it but crashed often or with horrible battery life... You can't have EVERYTHING being an option on the iPhone.

There are numerous pizzerias around my city but the one I go to all the time is one that ONLY has cheese pizza, because they make the best friggen pizza. I would love to have pepporni or bacon but I cant. lol

That being said, you didnt have to buy an iPhone. If you don't like the decisions they made go buy a Droid or a WinMo phone. If you buy the iPhone, you are telling Apple you support what they did enough to invest into their decision.

And I am no fanboy, just saying.



- Joe

Well said. I think people forget that you have an OPTION when buying a phone. No one forced you. You purchase a iphone, you know NO FLASH. You buy a EVO, then you get your precious flash. Why is this so difficult?

Now to the OP. Those links do not show flash running well imo. Just shows some flash apps running. No benchmark to stability, battery life, overall performance.

 

[xmtgx]

I could care less about flash and it's not needed on the iPhone. With the hulu app for the iPhone that's one less thing flash is needed for.

Screw the HULU app, charging 10 a month for something that free on the PC lol.
Airvideo FTW

 

[ryanwarsaw]

The battery drain is one of the major reasons cited for not utilizing flash. No one is going to JB to have flash. It's such a nice experience without it.

Well, yes some people will JB to get flash and yes it uses a lot of battery.

 

[BaldiMac]

Are you saying that Android phone owners own own both hardware and software whilst iPhone owners only own the hardware and lease the software? So unfair!

I didn't say anything remotely close to that. Are you just going to shift the goalposts every time you are shown to be wrong?

Android is open source. You do not own Android if you purchase an Android phone. You license a copy. You can feel free to download the source and compile your own version that you probably would own subject to whatever license it is distributed under. (I don't think it would include the Google apps, which I'm pretty sure are not open source.)

When you purchase an iPhone, you license a copy of the iOS. Almost all commercial software is sold in this way.

 

[Ants42]

Eh...

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBktYBXMK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adouTnXgelE

Someone ported Androids Flash 10.1 to IOS for the iPad and iPhone and it works great. I don't even care if it uses more battery I just want the full web.

I bet SJ will be furious when everyone jailbreaks for this and his app store sales go down.

Sweet thread man, thanks for posting...

 

[kenypowa]

Why the hell do you think you have a right to hack a defined product against the designer's wishes? You knew what an iPhone did when you bought it, you made an agreement with Apple. You may own the phone, but you don't own the right to force it do anything other than what Apple offered you. Anyone think it's unfair? Sell your iPhone and buy something else that does what you'd like.

Sounds like a true iSheep.

You bought a product, it is yours. You, not anyone else, can decide what you want to do with YOUR own phone. I can't believe you spent hundred of dollars on an iPhone and called it "making agreement" with Apple.

 

[RafaelT]

Why the hell do you think you have a right to hack a defined product against the designer's wishes? You knew what an iPhone did when you bought it, you made an agreement with Apple. You may own the phone, but you don't own the right to force it do anything other than what Apple offered you. Anyone think it's unfair? Sell your iPhone and buy something else that does what you'd like.

No, you DO have a right to do whatever you want to a product you have purchased, but there is no reason that Apple has to make it easy for you to do. They designed it for there purposes, if you can either take it as is or modify what they gave you and be happy then great As you stated "You knew what an iPhone did when you bought it", so nobody should bitch about it if they can't do more then what is advertised.

Apple has a nifty feedback page on there website if anyone here has a suggestion.

I really don't get everyone who bitches about the iPhone not having flash. The iPhone, like every other product on the market does a certain set of features, if you don't like it there are other products to choose from.

Scenario: I am shopping for a vacuum and I want a red one without a bag, I go in and they have a bag-less one in orange or one with a bag in red. As a consumer I have a choice to make, what is more important. If I choose having one with no bag, then that does not give me the right to buy it then bitch about not getting the red one for months. I made that choice.

 

[quotison]

You bought a product, it is yours. You, not anyone else, can decide what you want to do with YOUR own phone. I can't believe you spent hundred of dollars on an iPhone and called it "making agreement" with Apple.

What I want to do with my own phone is do as much as possible without having to deal with Flash. No on/off buttons, no settings to deal with, etc. And I can't accomplish this if developers are not encouraged to develop software for the iPhone without Flash, as is the case today. Even if I could turn off Flash, the transition away from Flash applications would be slower if it wasn't for Apple's refusal to support it.

It seems obvious that some users' experiences would be improved by Flash, and others would be harmed by adding Flash. But because more features are always better, even on a mobile phone that's inherently limited in size and power, adding Flash is an unambiguous good and Apple's refusal to support it is to the benefit of no one but their own pocketbooks, it's tyrannical, and mean, and whatever other grandiose adjectives you can fill in here.

The "I can do what I want with my own phone" argument is really terrible. The end point of the argument is that Apple isn't able to exercise any design discretion, and should do whatever it takes to improve users's ability to "do what you want" no matter the cost. You can do whatever the phone's design permits you to do, and if that is not appealing, you should not purchase the phone.

 

[McGiord]

Why the hell do you think you have a right to hack a defined product against the designer's wishes? You knew what an iPhone did when you bought it, you made an agreement with Apple. You may own the phone, but you don't own the right to force it do anything other than what Apple offered you. Anyone think it's unfair? Sell your iPhone and buy something else that does what you'd like.

Why do you think that you have the right to post something like this?

 

[0dev]

Why the hell do you think you have a right to hack a defined product against the designer's wishes? You knew what an iPhone did when you bought it, you made an agreement with Apple. You may own the phone, but you don't own the right to force it do anything other than what Apple offered you. Anyone think it's unfair? Sell your iPhone and buy something else that does what you'd like.

That's crap. If you got a brand new car but were told specifically what roads you could drive it on, you wouldn't find it fair. And it's the same here.

I personally have no need for Flash on my phone, but others do, and it's up to them what they want to do with their phones which they paid good money to purchase.

 

[Pushkar]

Tried this on my iPad, gotta say that it's not worth it at all.

Can't really speak for Battery life as it would need extensive testing but it crashes alot and doesn't work with Flash Video (as of yet).

 

[wreckshop]

Really? Lets see

Integrated E-mail long before PC's even gave it a thought
Speech recognition
The Mouse
Built in CD-roms
gigabit Ethernet
Bluetooth
Firewire
USB
SCSI
Touchpads
First company to Drop CRT's
Postscript back in 85 (Windows didn't even support this untill win 3.1 about 6 or 7 years later)
Built in Speakers

The list goes on and on.


So pretty much apple was first to the market with portables and desktops with those and if apple had never implemented those features in their portables and desktops then PC's would have most likely never gotten them or would have gotten them way later and nickel and dimed consumers for each of them.

And to think that Bluetooth is still not even a standard feature in most pc's and they make you pay extra for it except in high end models.

Apple includes bluetooth in all models.

Not only is ur list incorrect, its dumb. BT and USB are PC technologies and they were on PC first. GigE was also available on PC first.

OK here's stuff that PC had before apple.

Laptop computer
TFT monitors
Multi-button mouse w/ scrolling element
Discrete video
3D acceleration
x86 hardware LOL

the list goes on and on..

So pretty much PCs was first to the market with portables and desktops with those and if PCs had never implemented those features in their portables and desktops then Apple would have most likely never gotten them or would have gotten them way later and nickel and dimed consumers for each of them.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Not only is ur list incorrect, its dumb. BT and USB are PC technologies and they were on PC first. GigE was also available on PC first.

OK here's stuff that PC had before apple.

Wrong. Those features were on MAC's first The power mac G4 was the first personal computer with Gigabit Ethernet. Bluetooth has come as a standard on all Macintosh's. Show me a PC company that has Bluetooth on all of it's models? You can't because PC makers charge extra for it unless you buy a high end model. But trying to discuss this with you since you hate apple is like trying to discuss Political science with a koala bear.

 

[bbplayer5]

The battery drain is one of the major reasons cited for not utilizing flash. No one is going to JB to have flash. It's such a nice experience without it.

Uh what? Dont speak for everyone please.

 

[0dev]

About 5 years ago I got a Mac with speech recognition built-in, BTW. You still can't get full speech recognition on a PC unless you install third party software.

As for laptops, Apple beat PCs there with the PowerBook. Same with touchpads.

The iBook was also one of the first ever laptops to be sold with WiFi.

I'd go through the rest, but I CBA.

 

[gazzrenn]

I bet SJ will be furious when everyone jailbreaks for this and his app store sales go down.

How is it / really / going to impact App Store sales? Really?

I've not used flash on my desktop for a while now, and I for one don't miss it.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Uh what? Dont speak for everyone please.

Your right. I hope you do jailbreak and get flash. I also hope your battery life suffers really bad. Like you guys said you would sacrifice battery life but don't come on here crying about it. Because your making your bed and you should really lay in it.

 

[Slappi]

Ok I have an iPhone 3gs and love it and will get the iPhone4 in December and an iPad 2.0. I also have a new MBP and love the hell out of the thing so I am not against Apple at all but....


...I swear some of you guys would stop eating Pizza if SJ said Pizza was outdated and was just all around bad while he just opened up a Apple iLowcarb franchise.

 

[WolfXL]

That's crap. If you got a brand new car but were told specifically what roads you could drive it on, you wouldn't find it fair. And it's the same here.

I personally have no need for Flash on my phone, but others do, and it's up to them what they want to do with their phones which they paid good money to purchase.

Not really...it's more like buying a car and being told what gas to put in it. Some allow for diesel, or Ethanol; while others don't. Right now the complaining is like buying a regular gasoline driven car...and then being pissed off later that it isn't a hybrid, or allow for ethanol.

 

[sportster]

I don't see why people would want flash on an iPhone. I don't even really want it on my Macs. The only reason I do is so I can play the stupid facebook games that I'm addicted to. And those bog my computers down so bad its no even funny.

 

[dejo]

You bought a product, it is yours.

Such a naive statement really, in this day and age.

 

[quotison]

...I swear some of you guys would stop eating Pizza if SJ said Pizza was outdated and was just all around bad while he just opened up a Apple iLowcarb franchise.

Part of the appeal in Apple products is that some of us like the design decisions that Apple makes. At least for me, I trust Apple when they say Flash is a bad decision for the phone, more than I trust those who say Flash is a good decision because more features are better. It's not that everything Apple does is great, but it's that the burden is high if you're trying to show that Apple's decision is the wrong one. And none of the arguments in favor of Flash have been particularly compelling.

When it comes to technical decisions, I don't really know why it's bad or 'iSheep'-ish or whatever to defer to Apple's decisions. We ask people all the time to make decisions for us when they have special expertise or experience - that doesn't mean there's a failure to exercise independent thought.

 

[dmorris01]

I don't even get the debate. I don't get the ridiculous analogies, I don't get any of it.

I'm not a Flash proponent, nor am I against it. I simply think that when Apple advertises the 'whole' internet as a way of differentiating its product, it's not truthful.

All arguments would be nil if they simply offered Flash as an option. You can either install it or not. You can switch it ON or switch it OFF. Each person lives with the decision they make.

But enough of the web is Flash based that Apple's claim of the 'whole' internet is disingenuous.

No offense to anyone who loves Apple - I enjoy their products as well. I own an iPad, my family owns three iPhones and my wife has a Mac Book. If I didn't like Apple, I wouldn't care.

 

[0dev]

Not really...it's more like buying a car and being told what gas to put in it. Some allow for diesel, or Ethanol; while others don't. Right now the complaining is like buying a regular gasoline driven car...and then being pissed off later that it isn't a hybrid, or allow for ethanol.

You can take a normal car and convert it to a hybrid yourself if you wanted, though, and the manufacturer of the car wouldn't try and stop you. So when people modify their iPhones, which they paid money to purchase as their own property, Apple should let them do it.