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Steve Jobs is a liar, Flash works fine on iPhone
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This. Some of these Apple jihadists just don't get it....don't tell me what I can and can't do with my phone. If I wanted that, I'd have gone to Verizon.
Then why don't you design your own phone. Because you can't dictate to apple or pretty much any other company what you do and don't want. They are neither burger king or alienware.
Imagine going to sony and attempting to tell them what refresh rate and etc they should use on their TV's. Won't get you very far.
The mainstream iPhone users which incidentally happens to be the majority of iPhone users seem to be doing okay without flash. Just seems to be members of the geek Trifecta that want it.
Majority rules
Perhaps because when I buy a phone I consider it to be my own phone? It appears that Steve Jobs also considers every sold iPhone to still be his own phone and this is why he exercises maniacal control over those? It's really hard to share the ownership of the phone with this guy
This is very true. Ignorance is bliss (for the masses)
. You don't miss what you've never had.
Perhaps because when I buy a phone I consider it to be my own phone? It appears that Steve Jobs also considers every sold iPhone to still be his own phone and this is why he exercises maniacal control over those? It's really hard to share the ownership of the phone with this guy
So obviously when you buy a car then you go to the CEO of BMW or Audi and demand they add feature X because you want them to redesign whole product lines just for you?
And you go to your cable company and demand they change the entire channel lineup they give it to you? It's your phone but it's not made by you. And just like you have options to get the phone you want. Apple has the option to make a product that is designed by them their way.
Open your own company make your own phone. But otherwise you can dream of flash until we have a female astronaut on mars but it's pretty obvious it's not going to happen at this point.
Don't argue with me. E-Mail Steve and see what he tells you. I would love to see his response.
Some people don't want to trick their phone out and customize every single little feature. That's what android is for. It's very inward to call someone ignorant because they don't share your point of view.
So obviously when you buy a car then you go to the CEO of BMW or Audi and demand they add feature X because you want them to redesign whole product lines just for you?
It's your phone but it's not made by you. And just like you have options to get the phone you want. Apple has the option to make a product that is designed by them their way.
Open your own company make your own phone. But otherwise you can dream of flash until we have a female astronaut on mars but it's pretty obvious it's not going to happen at this point.
Don't argue with me. E-Mail Steve and see what he tells you. I would love to see his response.
Comparing cars to smart phones/computers probably is not a good idea. Still I can replace anything on my car with the parts I want. Not so much on iPhone. Steve made sure that nobody can install a piece of software he did not approve. Weird. I am surprised that he finally caved in and allowed people to use custom wallpapers
Well believe it, I maintain all of my PCs and my MBP in perfect order. I don't believe for one moment that you don't have crashes due to flash - see what I did there?
You talk about how Adobe put Apple on the map, do you also forget how Adobe turned it's back on Apple when Apple asked for more Adobe efforts in their software?
Comparing cars to smart phones/computers probably is not a good idea. Still I can replace anything on my car with the parts I want. Not so much on iPhone. Steve made sure that nobody can install a piece of software he did not approve. Weird. I am surprised that he finally caved in and allowed people to use custom wallpapers
Yes you can replace any part on your car. But what i'm asking is can you go to the CEO and demand he make you customized product just for you?
You can jailbreak your iphone and have whatever you want on it. But your wanting apple to cave to your demands when you have other options being other platforms.
I do not want Steve Jobs to develop Flash player for me or do anything special at all. Just allow Adobe to sell Flash in the App Store. Is that too much to ask? Would that hurt Steve too badly?
You can do that with an iPhone too.
How does anyone prevent you from switching in your own parts?
Steve made sure that nobody can install a piece of software he did not approve. Weird. I am surprised that he finally caved in and allowed people to use custom wallpapers
You can install any piece of software that you like on an iPhone. As long as you have the applicable rights to that software, of course. Nothing wrong with a custom iPhone build of Android or whatever flavor of Linux you like. You are just not legally allowed to modify Apple's software in order to do it.
You can do that with an iPhone too.
How does anyone prevent you from switching in your own parts?
You can install any piece of software that you like on an iPhone. As long as you have the applicable rights to that software, of course. Nothing wrong with a custom iPhone build of Android or whatever flavor of Linux you like. You are just not legally allowed to modify Apple's software in order to do it.
I do not even understand what you are trying to say. The simple fact is that I can not install a program not approved by Steve on my own phone which is sad.
So obviously when you buy a car then you go to the CEO of BMW or Audi and demand they add feature X because you want them to redesign whole product lines just for you?
It's your phone but it's not made by you. And just like you have options to get the phone you want. Apple has the option to make a product that is designed by them their way.
Open your own company make your own phone. But otherwise you can dream of flash until we have a female astronaut on mars but it's pretty obvious it's not going to happen at this point.
Don't argue with me. E-Mail Steve and see what he tells you. I would love to see his response.
If you're going to use another stupid car analogy, at least have it make sense. It's more like designing a car without a normal radio, replacing it with one that only gets one station, and not providing compatible wiring to install another one.
That's not true. You can install any program written using supported web standards. You can also erase the phone and replace the OS with any other OS that you have applicable rights to.
You also seem to be confusing the iPhone hardware that you own with the iOS software that you do not.
Jihadist???
Settle down drama queen. You sound like a teenage girl arguing about which twilight character is the best.
I used one that made sense anyway
I'm done with this topic you guys are not getting flash so by all means complain about it but it's not going to change steve jobs/apples/Microsofts Stance on it they want html 5 and i think it's a good idea.I'm going to let you guys have the thinktank. Life is better when you focus on things than can be changed instead of things that cannot.
Buh-Bye
I can't wait until Steve finishes kills off Adobe so we don't have to deal with their garbage software that has no business on any phone let alone the iPhone.. It wont be long now.
Are you saying that Android phone owners own own both hardware and software whilst iPhone owners only own the hardware and lease the software? So unfair!
I used one that made sense anyway
I'm going to let you guys have the thinktank. Life is better when you focus on things than can be changed instead of things that cannot.
Buh-Bye
And that's the staple response from the ainti-flash koolaide drinkers -
There are 200,000 stations on your strained-analogy radio.
Flash isn't a end in itself, it's a means for doing stuff online (it's also primarily a means for doing stuff online when you're on a large screen on a computer that's plugged in, but that's besides the point). Other than the whole "I have a right to demand Steve Jobs design the phone I want", the worst part about this whole thread is that people fail to recognize the difference between means and ends.
Substantively, you can do mostly whatever you want with an iPhone (with some restrictions - you can't submit porn apps to the app store for example), but procedurally you have to follow Apple's rules. It's one thing to object to the rules and procedures (although in large part they've contributed to the stability of the phone) but to suggest that that it has led to a phone that is not capable and not accessible to developers is ridiculous - there are 200,000 reasons in the app store why that's wrong.
I get that, but HTML5 is the future. Flash is being used a lot NOW. If Steve put his customer base first, he'd allow Flash but include a button to shut it off, for those who don't want it. Instead, he makes a piece of equipment that gives the consumer very little say in how it's consumed. I think it's a little like a restaurant that serves french fries but doesn't allow ketchup.
I bought an EVO and used it for a couple of weeks. I gave it up for a couple of reasons, but while I owned it, having the ability to see Flash sites was actually nice.
Jobs boasts getting the 'whole' internet, but that's simply dishonest. The EVO has more of the internet, as far as I can see... the iPhone, not so much. And I'm an avid iPhone user. I simply wish it had the Flash option.
There. A 'normal' (non fan boy, non partisan) opinion.
Here is the problem, Apple feels it is better to have the user experience a well running phone that doesnt have flash than one that does have it but crashed often or with horrible battery life... You can't have EVERYTHING being an option on the iPhone.
There are numerous pizzerias around my city but the one I go to all the time is one that ONLY has cheese pizza, because they make the best friggen pizza. I would love to have pepporni or bacon but I cant. lol
That being said, you didnt have to buy an iPhone. If you don't like the decisions they made go buy a Droid or a WinMo phone. If you buy the iPhone, you are telling Apple you support what they did enough to invest into their decision.
And I am no fanboy, just saying.
- Joe
Okay... So lets wheigh out our options:
Option 1:
CAN see flash sites
9 hour battery life when litely used
Better chance of crashing
Source: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/05/31/htc-evo-4g-sprint-review/
Option 2:
Can NOT see flash sites (even though most sites you would want to visit either support HTML or have an App)
38 Hours of Battery Life on heavy use
Very low chance of crashing
Source: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/06...e-4-lasts-38-hours-on-heavy-use-yes-38-hours/
Yea... I suppose Option 1 is most logical. LOL Seriously, look at the obvious problems with flash.
- Joe