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I've posted links about a zillion times in this thread, and you'll find many additional links and discussion regarding the Lucent/Agere chipset problems if you'd simply take the time to skim through the thread.

it's a long and repetitive thread, thanks for posting it again

much appreciated,... (everyone who posted) and frankly disappointing reading

there wasn't much reason to buy the new MacBooks/Pros before, but knowing this, I'll be recommending people wait for the next model and see if things improve

way to lose customers and show your product in a bad light, Apple
 
Sales are slowing - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122938758242108907.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Yet Steve feels it A-OK to let the mini languish for almost a year and half at those pathetic specs. Way to capture the switchers there Steve.

And he feels it's A-OK to force an upsell to the MBP because of the firewire issue.

Looking like one bad decision after another.

There's never gonna be a way to break down the reasons for this li'l slump in sales, but I'd love to know what percentage has to do with the recent update to the notebook line, which although aesthetically pleasing to many has a few major issues to a good few prospective customers, let's recap.

No FW (Or faulty cheaper chipset)
Glossy only
Trackpad problems (supposedly fixed now)
3rd party firewire ExpressCard incompatibility (MBP)
3rd party Ram problems (MB)
Possible dodgy Nvidia graphics (only a fleeting rumour at the moment)
No SVideo out
DRMed output (or should I say no output) to many monitors with films/TV shows bought on iTunes
No dual DVI on the pro's without silly priced dongle

There's maybe more to be annoyed about with this refresh, and I'm guessing with the economic downturn and the high cost some wannabe switchers will get turned off, but how many long term Apple users have looked at this refresh and just sighed and put there credit card safely back in their wallets and said "Maybe next year"? I personally know a few that have!
 
i can completely understand being upset if you were used to having firewire and now its gone but coming from the pc world only a few years ago i never had a firewire port and had actually never even really ran into a firewire port on any of the numerous pc's i had so i dont miss it.

i have never bought anything that was firewire only since i realize that firewire would limit me to what i could connect to where USB is on everything including things as simple as some factory car stereo's. i make it a point to never buy anything from mp3 players to cell phones etc.. that do not use the "standard" adapter for its use like USB or mini-USB etc... and although there are a lot of firewire devices on the market and they may offer a superior quality they are just not the standard by a long shot. in the 80's sony's betamax offered a superior quality recording to vhs and many bought betamax's but eventually they had to bite the bullet and realize that vhs had won the war and they just werent going to be able to play their betamax tapes on sony's new player as sony had decided to only offer vhs on its machines.

go ahead and quote this and flame because you arent going to hurt my feelings.

usb is the standard and apple choose a side and it doesnt matter if it was to save or make more money it has happened and now we must move on.

if i was upset that a particular car maker didnt offer a particular feature then i wouldnt buy it and move on to the manufacturer that did give me what i want for what i was willing to pay. todays OS X is not limited to an apple and is easily installed and runs on just about anything as well as it does on an apple. if your so upset go out and buy what you want and pick up a copy of Leopard and be happy.

i am completely pleased with my aluminum 2.4 macbook and consider it a great improvement over my black macbook in so many ways. however before i bought it i looked at it and saw the price and looked and my options and picked this because it fit for me. if i had to have firewire then i would have bought something that had it and not spent my time ranting on every forum about the ones that didnt.

you have a choice on what to spend your money on and complaining here about what steve has or should do is not going to change a thing.
 
i can completely understand being upset if you were used to having firewire and now its gone but coming from the pc world only a few years ago i never had a firewire port and had actually never even really ran into a firewire port on any of the numerous pc's i had so i dont miss it.

i have never bought anything that was firewire only since i realize that firewire would limit me to what i could connect to where USB is on everything including things as simple as some factory car stereo's. i make it a point to never buy anything from mp3 players to cell phones etc.. that do not use the "standard" adapter for its use like USB or mini-USB etc... and although there are a lot of firewire devices on the market and they may offer a superior quality they are just not the standard by a long shot. in the 80's sony's betamax offered a superior quality recording to vhs and many bought betamax's but eventually they had to bite the bullet and realize that vhs had won the war and they just werent going to be able to play their betamax tapes on sony's new player as sony had decided to only offer vhs on its machines.

go ahead and quote this and flame because you arent going to hurt my feelings.

usb is the standard and apple choose a side and it doesnt matter if it was to save or make more money it has happened and now we must move on.

if i was upset that a particular car maker didnt offer a particular feature then i wouldnt buy it and move on to the manufacturer that did give me what i want for what i was willing to pay. todays OS X is not limited to an apple and is easily installed and runs on just about anything as well as it does on an apple. if your so upset go out and buy what you want and pick up a copy of Leopard and be happy.

i am completely pleased with my aluminum 2.4 macbook and consider it a great improvement over my black macbook in so many ways. however before i bought it i looked at it and saw the price and looked and my options and picked this because it fit for me. if i had to have firewire then i would have bought something that had it and not spent my time ranting on every forum about the ones that didnt.

you have a choice on what to spend your money on and complaining here about what steve has or should do is not going to change a thing.

Well you told them. :rolleyes:
 
you have a choice on what to spend your money on and complaining here about what steve has or should do is not going to change a thing.

Everything you said is obvious and we know that we can spend our money elsewhere and that our criticism probably won't change the course that Apple has taken.

We know all that. Nevertheless, we have a right to voice our frustration and to criticize the course that Apple is now taking. So kindly leave those of us who are frustrated to complain and write what we please.

If you are happy then go about your business and stop trying to tell people what they should do and let us express ourselves as we please. This is known as free speech.
 
Sigh … Let's take this superficially yet blow-by-blow yet again:


i can completely understand being upset if you were used to having firewire and now its gone but coming from the pc world only a few years ago i never had a firewire port and had actually never even really ran into a firewire port on any of the numerous pc's i had so i dont miss it.
Who gives a flying ef that you don't miss something you never used? Some of us use that which you find no use for.

i have never bought anything that was firewire only since i realize that firewire would limit me to what i could connect to where USB is on everything including things as simple as some factory car stereo's.

Yup. Firewire audio interfaces and firewire camcorders are "limited" in that they use firewire.

But I guess noone of us even thought about buying triple-interface stuff. I'm so glad you told us, oh wise man :rolleyes:

i make it a point to never buy anything from mp3 players to cell phones etc.. that do not use the "standard" adapter for its use like USB or mini-USB etc... and although there are a lot of firewire devices on the market and they may offer a superior quality they are just not the standard by a long shot.
You need to get out more if ou think you can teach audio and video professionals that they simply did not buy wisely and that USB is "the standard". Perhaps you should go back to your phones and mp3-players.

in the 80's sony's betamax offered a superior quality recording to vhs and many bought betamax's but eventually they had to bite the bullet and realize that vhs had won the war and they just werent going to be able to play their betamax tapes on sony's new player as sony had decided to only offer vhs on its machines.
You sure are on a roll aren't you? I would have sworn that it would take something special to come up with such utter ignorance in a thread that so far has superceded 2500 posts.


go ahead and quote this and flame because you arent going to hurt my feelings.

Thanks. I didn't have my hopes up, though, after seeing such ignorant and arrogant comments.

usb is the standard and apple choose a side and it doesnt matter if it was to save or make more money it has happened and now we must move on.
You think? Do you actually believe moving tech- and workwise five-ten years back in time and capablities is "moving on"? You realise you're asking pros to not only compromise but to use consumer technology all because your favourite company "felt like it"?
No, of course not. You'd never realise such a thing if it kicked you in the groin.

if i was upset that a particular car maker didnt offer a particular feature then i wouldnt buy it and move on to the manufacturer that did give me what i want for what i was willing to pay.
Yup. If only it was just our mp3-player and phone we had to connect, it wouldn't matter much. But you see, when you make a living and have invested quite a lot of time and effort to buy and learn to use certain apps it's not as easy as simply buying a computer with another platform to connect an MP3-player. After 2500 posts this hasn't sunk in yet?

todays OS X is not limited to an apple and is easily installed and runs on just about anything as well as it does on an apple. if your so upset go out and buy what you want and pick up a copy of Leopard and be happy.
Sure, that will sit well in a professional environment.
I'll do it though - as a "back-up" while I get used to XP.


i am completely pleased with my aluminum 2.4 macbook and consider it a great improvement over my black macbook in so many ways.
And we need to know this because ...?

Seriously, noone gives a hoot. You said it yourself, you use your computer to connect mp3-players and phones, and have no need for much else.

however before i bought it i looked at it and saw the price and looked and my options and picked this because it fit for me.
Ah, yes. No pro ever did that. I'll remember to actually make a decision next time I purchase a computer. Man, I never thought that was possible! :rolleyes:


if i had to have firewire then i would have bought something that had it and not spent my time ranting on every forum about the ones that didnt.
If you had a need for firewire you would know more about needs, the industries, and care less about mp3-players and phone connectors.


you have a choice on what to spend your money on and complaining here about what steve has or should do is not going to change a thing.
But you think your apologetic utterings mean anything. at. all?
 
i can completely understand being upset....

I couldn't help but take the bait, just because it looks as though you want to be shown up to be an uninformed numpty, after all you're the same person who said..

have not read this entire 100 page thread so this may have already been discussed but it seems to me that if you are using something that needs firewire then you are most likely not using something small and portable like a mp3 player or compact digital camera. this being the case then why would you care that you would need something like this to connect your firewire device to? of course that is just one example of the many types and sizes of firewire/usb hubs available.

and the classic

usb 2 (480Mbps) is just a bit faster than firewire 400 and not that it would come up to often but it can also hold that speed with more connected devices than firewire can. again not that i see this as a selling point but USB 2 can handle 127 devices while firewire is 63.

not to mention the unforgettable

i am in NO way agreeing with the decision to remove firewire since it could have easily fit and i would like to have it as well but it was not a deal killer for me and i cant imagine that it would me for someone involved in things like live music either since they could easily have a hub and be assured that it can handle the audio and video with no problems.

fletch33's greatest hits will be in stores tommorow :p


p.s.

but coming from the pc world only a few years ago i never had a firewire port

Don't all the other macs in your sig (some of which are over 5 years old) have firewire??????
 
fletch33, you say your Location:under a rug. You should kindly stay there and quit repeating the inane (look it up, assuming you can read. Judging by your post in this thread, you certainly didn't read any of this thread) suggestions that have been repeated over and over by others who are also ignorant of the subject at hand. :rolleyes:
 
No Steve, probably no FW either...

Perhaps Steve is also ditching MacWorld this year to avoid hearing all of the complaints about the omission of FW (or at least, the waning interest in it).

In any case, his absence and Apple's abandoning of MacWorld in general bodes ill for its fan base and customers.
 
Well, this thread is up to 104 pages and 2589 posts, here's hoping all those posters upset with Apple's decision have entered a post in Apple's product feedback site.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html

Might not change anything, but then again it might.

All this over a lack of an inconsequential expense to exclude Firewire.
 
Perhaps Steve is also ditching MacWorld this year to avoid hearing all of the complaints about the omission of FW (or at least, the waning interest in it).
"Waning interest"? The only place where there is "waning interest" in firewire is in Cupertino.
The fact is that more and more fw equipped computers are shipped.
 
Oh well. I guess no one cares anymore.

Just yesterday, my father-in-law asked me what kind of video camera he should get so he can make movies on his mini. Knowing that he will have the camera longer that the mini, I have no clue what to tell him to get since Apple is putting firewire out to pasture.

He wants a cheaper one, not the spiff HD ones that Steve thinks everyone has bought in the last 2 years. I'm at a loss.

Thanks Steve.
 
Oh well. I guess no one cares anymore.

Just yesterday, my father-in-law asked me what kind of video camera he should get so he can make movies on his mini. Knowing that he will have the camera longer that the mini, I have no clue what to tell him to get since Apple is putting firewire out to pasture.

He wants a cheaper one, not the spiff HD ones that Steve thinks everyone has bought in the last 2 years. I'm at a loss.

Thanks Steve.

Tell him to get the camera he wants and that he might have to buy a more fully featured (but cheaper) computer next time around as Apple might make it impossible for him to have any choice (in cameras etc.) down the line.
 
Oh well. I guess no one cares anymore.

Just yesterday, my father-in-law asked me what kind of video camera he should get so he can make movies on his mini. Knowing that he will have the camera longer that the mini, I have no clue what to tell him to get since Apple is putting firewire out to pasture.

He wants a cheaper one, not the spiff HD ones that Steve thinks everyone has bought in the last 2 years. I'm at a loss.

Thanks Steve.

A flash or Hard disk based camera with a USB connection. C'mon people the stores and web sites are full of them. Why is this so hard to accept? Technology changes, sometimes for the better, sometimes not for the better.

You would really tell a consumer to buy a tape-based DV camera in December of 2008?
 
Get the camera...

Tell him to get the camera he wants and that he might have to buy a more fully featured (but cheaper) computer next time around as Apple might make it impossible for him to have any choice (in cameras etc.) down the line.

I agree. Tell him to get the camera that pleases him and based upon that choice, he can then pick a computer that best works with the camera.

As a principle, a computer should not "dictate" what kind of peripherals that one should buy. It should be the other way around. After all, computers are meant to be devices that free your creativity and allow you to use the instruments that express your life (hence, iLife, iWorks, etc...).

Unfortunately, Steve seems to have stopped thinking "differently" and is now thinking just like any other business suit with the bottom line being profits. What a shame.
 
Might as well chime in with the thousands of others. My only use of Firewire is an external Lacie drive for backups. It's fast as hell (FW800) but I would be willing to use USB if I had to, especially since its an offline type of process. What I'm not okay with are the absolute ***** glossy screens. I went to check these out at the local Apple store and couldn't see a damn thing from all the glare. Never mind trying to edit color on them. What a nightmare. Not providing a matt option on the new MBP at the very least is a catastrophe.
 
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