I don't think you were on the same topic between sentences. Anyway don't worry about the fanboy. A couple more moves like this from Apple and there won't be any left.
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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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I don't think you were on the same topic between sentences. Anyway don't worry about the fanboy. A couple more moves like this from Apple and there won't be any left.
Impossible, unless you mean just a promise to bring it back sometime in the future. And even that would mean admitting they were wrong and screwed up big time, which is also unlikely.
Unless Apple already has a MB-with-FW designed in parallel with the FW-less MB, there's no way they could bring it back before the next major revision which I expect is at least a year away. And by then they will see even less reason to include FW, because they will claim that customers expect no FW on the "consumer" model.
Well, for a fanboy, anyone who isn't apologetic is "bitsching" [sic] and "whining". You must know.
When it is that easy to create a new shell by the Brick method, I wouldn't be surprised if they phased in FireWire to the top end MacBook silently.
Apple are s**t
To sum up, dropping firewire was a stupid idea on the macbook. After years of promoting cost effective home video editing for the masses, Steve Jobs supplies us with some revisionist history*. I'm sure he's voting for Palin.
FW to USB adapters are the same as the SCSI to USB adapters of the past. Hard to find and 100% useless.
This is a retarded, money grabbing move. I am very sure my next Mac will be a hackintosh.
*"I'm mean, who wants to watch video on a two and half inch screen". Yes Steve, who?
PS : I also hate that stupid low grade design on the new laptops.
To sum up, dropping firewire was a stupid idea on the macbook. After years of promoting cost effective home video editing for the masses, Steve Jobs supplies us with some revisionist history*. I'm sure he's voting for Palin.
FW to USB adapters are the same as the SCSI to USB adapters of the past. Hard to find and 100% useless.
This is a retarded, money grabbing move. I am very sure my next Mac will be a hackintosh.
*"I'm mean, who wants to watch video on a two and half inch screen". Yes Steve, who?
PS : I also hate that stupid low grade design on the new laptops.
Please show me the prosumer or pro video equipment that is USB You can't because IT DOES NOT EXIST. Nor is it ever likely to be USB. Pros upgrade computers far more frequently than their other equipment because it is what changes the most quickly. I use video cameras for many years because prosumer and pro cams are of high quality and have a long life.
I was ready to pull the trigger on purchasing two new MB's for my video business. I was also prepared to recommend them to the students in my high school video classes that I teach. Now I won't be doing either. And the shame of it is there was no reason for it to come to this.
Its also why we had the Mac recession after the iMac boom. He let it get to his head and started producing products like the cube and eventually let most of those switchers go back to PCs.
My feedback to them:
Think responsibly.
Dear Apple,
You're not Apple 5 years ago.
Which means, there are millions and millions of new customers out there using your equipment, and thus you cannot be as prone to swift whims and change of moods as you were before.
Now you have to think at least twice before you decide what goes in and what goes out, otherwise you'll endanger yourself seriously. Forcing FireWire out of your MacBook line is one of such moves which cannot be justified right now. You're becoming a mainstream company and thus technological changes must be taken at a slower pace, and not as aggressively as you did when you were the pure innovator with perhaps 3% of the market share.
Please rethink your decision; it's about customers out there, and what they want. Apple customers have invested enormously in FireWire devices and are depending on them, just because you were the pioneer in FireWire and made us dependable on it.
Now, as a responsible company, you must learn to respect your own decisions, learn to live with consequences resulting from those decisions and listen to your customers too. This even more now than ever before. Welcome to the world of responsibility and please ...
Think responsibly.
Just to add, there is no such thing as a 'pro' computer, just because a company adds it to the name. A computer is "pro" when it offers the features that a professional can use.
I would be really surprised if Apple brings back the firewire. Jobs isn't likely to admit he made a big mistake. His ego has grown way too large for that. But Apple would be wise not to show disdain for those of us that have been using their products for twenty years or more in favor of consumers that jsut want the latest hyped faddish device. The days of people with large disposable incomes are likely coming to a close, and not just in the US. The signs of serious recession are worldwide and, if Apple loses the very people who carried them through the rough times, they could be in for some very perilous days in the future. The spoiled brats looking for the next device (that they rarely really use) to show off to their friends and acquaintances, will abandon them.
I would be really surprised if Apple brings back the firewire. Jobs isn't likely to admit he made a big mistake. His ego has grown way too large for that. But Apple would be wise not to show disdain for those of us that have been using their products for twenty years or more in favor of consumers that jsut want the latest hyped faddish device. The days of people with large disposable incomes are likely coming to a close, and not just in the US. The signs of serious recession are worldwide and, if Apple loses the very people who carried them through the rough times, they could be in for some very perilous days in the future. The spoiled brats looking for the next device (that they rarely really use) to show off to their friends and acquaintances, will abandon them.
Look stop exagerating, how many other products like the "cube" did Apple produce during that so called Mac recession?
My feedback...
I edited an earlier post here and sent it to Apple's Feedback line (it appears at the end of this post). Apple has spent a great deal of the last two years disappointing me with bizarre and unfocused product rollouts such as...
The bizarrely bezeled and super glossy iMacs.
The bluetooth keyboard, curiously missing a number pad
The lobotomization of iMovie '08
The disappointing-in-almost-every-way MacBook Air
The neglect of the Mac mini
The un-iPod-like previous generation of iPod nano
The lack of price adjustments to the freakishly overpriced Cinema Displays
And yet, as I've owned Apple computers and products for 23 years, since I bought my first 128k Macintosh on January 20th, 1985, I remain a fan. Not a fanboy. Just a fan.
And over the course of all these years, while some products (as you've seen above) have disappointed me, I've -never- written to Apple in dissatisfaction, until now.
Apple doesn't -owe- me anything. I've been pleased with well over 95% of the Apple products I've purchased. But make -no- mistake, Apple is starting to lose me.
I am -not- a Windows fan in any way, shape, or form, and switching to Windows is almost unthinkable. Throughout many jobs I've held over the years, there have been times I've been forced to use Windows XP in my daily work life. Yet it isn't so vile or so reprehensible that I could honestly say that there isn't a chance I would use it, if I didn't have a -reasonable- alternative.
My university sells a Lenovo ThinkPad T400 that absolutely humiliates the new MacBook line and certainly gives the new MacBook Pros -stiff- competition, for a lower price tag than even the entry level Aluminum MacBook. While I did just purchase a new (previous generation) steeply discounted MacBook Pro, in four years, I will be ready for a new computer. If Apple continues to offer products that don't meet my needs or fall several hundred dollars short of their non-Apple competitors, let there be absolutely no mistake: I could be convinced to consider alternatives.
Like I said, Apple doesn't owe me anything, but Apple -does- have to earn my business, each and every time I'm in the market to purchase a product. The fact that I've owned 11 Apple computers, two iPods, an iPhone, and thousands of dollars of other products, software, and accessories means I also don't owe Apple anything, either.
The feedback I sent to Apple:
hen Apple announced the date of the event at which they would update the laptop line, I eagerly anticipated the opportunity to buy a MacBook. While I genuinely loathe glossy screens, I had accepted, with a heavy heart, that I would be saddled with such a screen for the four years that I would expect to get from the computer.
I refreshed Engadget like a man possessed throughout the announcements and my excitement grew into horror as I watched "Pro" machines receive decidedly -non- "Pro" screens. Still, with news of my future MacBook still ahead, I listened attentively. Surely the rumors about the new case and the loss of FireWire had to have been wrong, I believed.
Sadly, my confidence was crushed.
Now listen, maybe some extremely new digital video cameras come with USB 2.0 ports. Maybe the average MacBook customer doesn't care about fast backups to hard drives or target disk mode. Or maybe I'm not the average MacBook user (although I suspect I am), but if my budget limits me to a MacBook, it certainly doesn't allow me to run out and replace the FireWire video camera I bought only two years ago from an Apple store. It also doesn't allow me to replace the FireWire hard drives that I have connected to my current G5 iMac.
I'm heavily invested (by my economic standards) in FireWire. If FireWire is to be replaced by newer technology in much the same way that USB replaced serial ports, then drop FireWire -WHEN- you provide it's replacement and I'll accept that, even if I'm not thrilled about it. But to drop FireWire completely and -THEN- charge HUNDREDS of dollars more for the same processing power that a lower price would have netted me, only one day earlier, is an insult.
I don't care how proud Apple is of the highly-over designed case. I don't care how much Apple touts their mouse-button-less glass track pad. I don't care if Apple thinks the "coolness" of the backlit keyboard (on the "high end" configuration is supposed to awe me into making an otherwise poor decision. If it's Apple's intent to provide me with dramatically poorer value than they had previously, then it's my intention not to buy their "beautiful" new machine.
In fact, my need for a portable machine -was- happily resolved last Friday (10/17/2008). I was able to purchase a brand new "Early 2008" Penryn entry level MacBook Pro for $100 less than the high end MacBook would have cost me. I can't believe I'm the owner of such an incredible, matte-screened, FireWire-laden, highly expandable powerhouse of a machine. This is my 11th Apple Macintosh.
It's also my last until Apple gets out of this outrageous glossy screen phase and starts respecting the intelligence and needs of it's customers. Say what you will about the first generation iBook days, but Apple was hungry to prove they could make a good looking computer that was powerful and they gave us more technology and capability than we could get, anywhere else.
The MacBook is a disastrously poor value compared to other laptops in it's class. It represents a worse value than the previous generation. I only hope this doesn't portend similar decisions yet to emerge from Cupertino.
I edited an earlier post here and sent it to Apple's Feedback line (it appears at the end of this post). Apple has spent a great deal of the last two years disappointing me with bizarre and unfocused product rollouts such as...
The bizarrely bezeled and super glossy iMacs.
The bluetooth keyboard, curiously missing a number pad
The lobotomization of iMovie '08
The disappointing-in-almost-every-way MacBook Air
The neglect of the Mac mini
The un-iPod-like previous generation of iPod nano
The lack of price adjustments to the freakishly overpriced Cinema Displays
And yet, as I've owned Apple computers and products for 23 years, since I bought my first 128k Macintosh on January 20th, 1985, I remain a fan. Not a fanboy. Just a fan.
And over the course of all these years, while some products (as you've seen above) have disappointed me, I've -never- written to Apple in dissatisfaction, until now.
Apple doesn't -owe- me anything. I've been pleased with well over 95% of the Apple products I've purchased. But make -no- mistake, Apple is starting to lose me.
I am -not- a Windows fan in any way, shape, or form, and switching to Windows is almost unthinkable. Throughout many jobs I've held over the years, there have been times I've been forced to use Windows XP in my daily work life. Yet it isn't so vile or so reprehensible that I could honestly say that there isn't a chance I would use it, if I didn't have a -reasonable- alternative.
My university sells a Lenovo ThinkPad T400 that absolutely humiliates the new MacBook line and certainly gives the new MacBook Pros -stiff- competition, for a lower price tag than even the entry level Aluminum MacBook. While I did just purchase a new (previous generation) steeply discounted MacBook Pro, in four years, I will be ready for a new computer. If Apple continues to offer products that don't meet my needs or fall several hundred dollars short of their non-Apple competitors, let there be absolutely no mistake: I could be convinced to consider alternatives.
Like I said, Apple doesn't owe me anything, but Apple -does- have to earn my business, each and every time I'm in the market to purchase a product. The fact that I've owned 11 Apple computers, two iPods, an iPhone, and thousands of dollars of other products, software, and accessories means I also don't owe Apple anything, either.
The feedback I sent to Apple:
hen Apple announced the date of the event at which they would update the laptop line, I eagerly anticipated the opportunity to buy a MacBook. While I genuinely loathe glossy screens, I had accepted, with a heavy heart, that I would be saddled with such a screen for the four years that I would expect to get from the computer.
I refreshed Engadget like a man possessed throughout the announcements and my excitement grew into horror as I watched "Pro" machines receive decidedly -non- "Pro" screens. Still, with news of my future MacBook still ahead, I listened attentively. Surely the rumors about the new case and the loss of FireWire had to have been wrong, I believed.
Sadly, my confidence was crushed.
Now listen, maybe some extremely new digital video cameras come with USB 2.0 ports. Maybe the average MacBook customer doesn't care about fast backups to hard drives or target disk mode. Or maybe I'm not the average MacBook user (although I suspect I am), but if my budget limits me to a MacBook, it certainly doesn't allow me to run out and replace the FireWire video camera I bought only two years ago from an Apple store. It also doesn't allow me to replace the FireWire hard drives that I have connected to my current G5 iMac.
I'm heavily invested (by my economic standards) in FireWire. If FireWire is to be replaced by newer technology in much the same way that USB replaced serial ports, then drop FireWire -WHEN- you provide it's replacement and I'll accept that, even if I'm not thrilled about it. But to drop FireWire completely and -THEN- charge HUNDREDS of dollars more for the same processing power that a lower price would have netted me, only one day earlier, is an insult.
I don't care how proud Apple is of the highly-over designed case. I don't care how much Apple touts their mouse-button-less glass track pad. I don't care if Apple thinks the "coolness" of the backlit keyboard (on the "high end" configuration is supposed to awe me into making an otherwise poor decision. If it's Apple's intent to provide me with dramatically poorer value than they had previously, then it's my intention not to buy their "beautiful" new machine.
In fact, my need for a portable machine -was- happily resolved last Friday (10/17/2008). I was able to purchase a brand new "Early 2008" Penryn entry level MacBook Pro for $100 less than the high end MacBook would have cost me. I can't believe I'm the owner of such an incredible, matte-screened, FireWire-laden, highly expandable powerhouse of a machine. This is my 11th Apple Macintosh.
It's also my last until Apple gets out of this outrageous glossy screen phase and starts respecting the intelligence and needs of it's customers. Say what you will about the first generation iBook days, but Apple was hungry to prove they could make a good looking computer that was powerful and they gave us more technology and capability than we could get, anywhere else.
The MacBook is a disastrously poor value compared to other laptops in it's class. It represents a worse value than the previous generation. I only hope this doesn't portend similar decisions yet to emerge from Cupertino.
No firewire in the MacBook.
There's the reason you've been waiting for to buy the MacBook Pro.
There's the reason you've been waiting for to buy the MacBook Pro.
LOL, besides what Ben says (which certainly will be true for some), for all that money you will get a single - and most importantly - inferiour Firewire chip, unlike the generation before it. And a glossy screen to match, plus more weight than the previous generation.
Yup, it sure sounds like the thing to buy if you miss firewire.
Which MacBook Pro would that be?
The new MacBook Pros that use the problematic Lucent (Agere) firewire chip that doesn't work with many/most of the Firewire audio devices?
Or the late 2007 - early 2008 MacBook Pros that use the problematic Lucent (Agere) firewire chip that doesn't work with many/most of the Firewire audio devices?
http://logic-users.org/forums/LUG/thread/103336
http://www.gearspace.com/board/musi...ets-can-troublesome-okt-07-till-feb-08-a.html
http://www.gearspace.com/board/music-computers/163468-what-firewire-chipset-new-macbooks-pro.html
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7216967
http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6390
http://forums.presonus.com/showthread.php?t=4054
http://logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=97362
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I'm not sure why I'm taking this news so personally but I do. I feel really let down by a company that I've promoted like crazy since buying my first macbook 2 years ago.
I edited some great video recently for my business using nothing more than my stock macbook with 1 gig ram, final cut express AND 2 firewire external drives and MiniDV camera (Firewire). This week's news doesn't take away that from me, but I can't promote what I did anymore because friends of mine won't be able to do what I did, unless they buy an older macbook or spend a lot more money than I did.
The biggest burn is we all know why it's not there anymore, it's to promote the Pro model, end of discussion.
I signed that petition, sent apple the feedback on that link. I can only hope money talks and that they'll see some effect on sales. Upgrading my macbook is completely off the table now. sigh.
I edited some great video recently for my business using nothing more than my stock macbook with 1 gig ram, final cut express AND 2 firewire external drives and MiniDV camera (Firewire). This week's news doesn't take away that from me, but I can't promote what I did anymore because friends of mine won't be able to do what I did, unless they buy an older macbook or spend a lot more money than I did.
The biggest burn is we all know why it's not there anymore, it's to promote the Pro model, end of discussion.
I signed that petition, sent apple the feedback on that link. I can only hope money talks and that they'll see some effect on sales. Upgrading my macbook is completely off the table now. sigh.
Sheesh, I just remembered how many different editions of the iMac there were during the iMac boom. It seemed like every month Steve Jobs introduced 5 new colors, and then there was the iMac, the iMac DV, the iMac DV+, the iMac DV Special Edition, and the iMac DV Super Karate Monkey Death Car Edition. Man, I'm glad they dropped all those monikers.
Actually, the new Macbooks do ship with some kind of firewire. This is a picture of my old magsafe power brick. Those things are prone to short-circuit and make pretty blue and green flames when they die. Check out the reviews of the magsafe power bricks on the Apple store.
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That thing cought fire when I plugged it in, I'd call that "firewire", wouldn't you?
Oh, by the way, it was still under warranty, but Apple shipped it back to me (after 30 days) with a note telling me to wrap the cable around the retractable hooks every time.
That thing cought fire when I plugged it in, I'd call that "firewire", wouldn't you?
Oh, by the way, it was still under warranty, but Apple shipped it back to me (after 30 days) with a note telling me to wrap the cable around the retractable hooks every time.
Not all of them. In order to get FireWire you had to buy one of the DV models. I think so anyway, that was so long ago.They had FireWire, at least
You were talking about DV models, though
You are right, the FireWire ports were introduced on the DV/SE models in 1999 and are present till this day. But I hear they are being downgraded in December.