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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks

iEdd said:
Yeah but that's because you clearly know nothing about computers, and hence don't use firewire. :rolleyes:
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I agree.

It's complete imbeciles like that who make me despair, complete fanboys who'd happily but the new iSh*t if Steves RDF told them too. Posts like that make me almost understand why some Windows and Linux users seem to think that the majority of mac users are smug mindless zombies embroiled in some crazed cult. :)
 
peepboon said:
... cant believe people are still moaning about the lack of firewire...

All i can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHA! Unlucky!" - I don't care about firewire, I dont care if you need it... oh, and it seems Apple doesn't care about the minority who uses firewire also... its like what Apple mentioned, Macbook is the company's best selling laptop, most average users couldn't care about the FW port.

Go buy a MacbookPro if you really want one with FW... if you complain about price then just buy the older generationMB/MBP...

Oh, I dont care if I get flamed, Im getting my MB tomorror, the lack of FW will make it just that tad lighter ;)

night night hahaha



that is the most jibberish I have ever heard! Most of the people who buy Macbooks are students, student residence uses ethernet for safety/secruity reasons..., also its harder to hack into someone who uses ethernet for internet rather than wireless internet...
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Well, you're either some snot-nosed 17 year old that came on here trying to get a rise out of people, or you know nothing about the real world (which is pretty much the same thing).
So, back up your figures about most people that use MB's are students.
Even if it were true, you made my point. Every major university in the U.S. has a wireless network for their students. So, they don't need the wired Ethernet. And at major universities only a small percentage of students actually live on campus. Also, they don't bring external monitors to a tiny dorm room so the can connect their notebooks.

Oh, and for anyone reading this that matters, I don't think any of those things should be removed. I was just using them as examples in an earlier post about why removing firewire makes no more sense than removing any of those ports.
 
peepboon said:
... cant believe people are still moaning about the lack of firewire...

All i can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHA! Unlucky!" - I don't care about firewire, I dont care if you need it... oh, and it seems Apple doesn't care about the minority who uses firewire also... its like what Apple mentioned, Macbook is the company's best selling laptop, most average users couldn't care about the FW port.

Go buy a MacbookPro if you really want one with FW... if you complain about price then just buy the older generationMB/MBP...

Oh, I dont care if I get flamed, Im getting my MB tomorror, the lack of FW will make it just that tad lighter ;)

night night hahaha



that is the most jibberish I have ever heard! Most of the people who buy Macbooks are students, student residence uses ethernet for safety/secruity reasons..., also its harder to hack into someone who uses ethernet for internet rather than wireless internet...
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You have enlightened me. How can you make things so simple? Now I shall run and buy a new shiny macbook! Thanks mate.
 
FrankieTDouglas said:
The main point is, why not have both?
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I think most would agree with you. Having both Ethernet and FW is the best solution.

However, if we could only have one, I think most would go for the FW option. If Ethernet is needed, there is always the USB to Ethernet adapter that one could use.

diamond.g said:
It was more a setting of precedent. Would people be mad if Apple replaced the ethernet port with a FW port? Probably, but at least you can still use an ethernet adapter.
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Agree.

Snide said:
I have never once used the Ethernet port on my 22 month old MacBook; I use Firewire several times a week.
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:)

editguy said:
But if they remove the firewire from the iMac, I will definitely recommend that the high schools in the district that I teach in not purchase anymore Macs for our editing labs. We can get PC's customized to the specs that we want. It's bad enough that they removed FW from the only affordable Mac notebook for my students to buy.
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Completely agree.

We will do the same.

editguy said:
In what way? I don't like the glossy screen and wish there was a matte option, but I can work around that. There's no way for me to work around the lack of firewire.
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Understand.

I can live with the glossy screen, with a glare shield if I must, but without FW, too much is lost.

dolphin842 said:
Petition's over 13,000 now. Has it gotten any real publicity yet, or has this just been word-of-mouth so far?
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Cool.

The key is to keep this up so Apple takes note.

One interesting thing to note, is that FW3200 uses the same cable and connector as FW800. Very roughly speaking, what takes USB 2.0 to transfer in 30 minutes takes:

FW400 --> 15-20 minutes (Based upon personal tests.)

FW800 --> 8-10 minutes (Based upon personal tests.)

FW3200 --> 2-3 minutes (Estimated)

IMHO, the time saved is considerable and makes a difference.
 
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iBungie said:
I've sent off for a cheap cable with a 4 pin firewire plug at one end and USB at the other. It costs under £4 incl shipping. I don't expect this to work, or if it does with any kind of stability abut I'll check it out and post my experience in a few days time.

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The lack of a FW port on the MB reminds me of the hassle we had in the UK trying to get camcorders in the UK with DV in and DV out. This was only available on top of the range models whose price absorbed the additional taxes these models attracted. Ways were found to hack some camcorders to enable DV in. I still have the Sony Commander Remote I used.

Who knows we may be lucky - we'll find a hidden port and after a bit of hacking with an Apple Remote we'll enable DV in on the MB! (British camcorder users from the mid 90's will appreciate this!)
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iBungie said:
Does anyone know what a cable like this might achieve?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000M93PWY

Some posters have suggested those of us who miss the Firewire port on the MB should use a USB/Firewire adapter.

Anyone ever tried one of these cables or anything similar?
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Well, the cable arrived today and it is not a USB to 4 pin Firewire - it is just a USB to custom phone connector cable. 99p it cost me (plus p&p).
 
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iBungie said:
Back in posts 136 & 333.....






Well, the cable arrived today and it is not a USB to 4 pin Firewire - it is just a USB to custom phone connector cable. 99p it cost me (plus p&p).
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USB and FW use different interfacing protocols. Even if it was a usb to firewire cable to would not have been able to connect anything. IE your FW hard drive would not have mounted.

I bet all those cable companies are loving this.
 
Don't take flames to troll posts personally. :)

Out of curiosity, what do you use for backups though?
 
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For those of you hoping Apple's October notebook event would see the announcement of a recession-priced, sub-12" MacBook, the new MacBooks might have already been a little disappointing. For others, the lack of a single port has completely killed the MacBook, and crippled the MacBook Pro when compared to previous generations.

We think "srjmac" from Apple's user discussion forums has hit the nail right on the head: "Your most hardcore, avid supporters, the ones who evangelize the Mac to the unwashed masses, are very upset about this. That can't be good for business."
 
Shasterball said:
What angering BS. I mean really, so now I can't use my slightly older camera? Please.

Also, what about HDD's that I am using a Firewire connection for because I've tied up my USB ports?

Face it Apple, you botched a lot things with this upgrade. That's 2 piss poor releases in a row: iPhone 3G and this.
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LOL Face it. You want everything the MacBookPro has for $500 less. Face it.
 
chakosticks said:
That's nice. I have a BA in Music Production and I need Firewire.
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Does this mean you have a profession that involves music production as well? If so, what do you need firewire for? A storage drive?

Instruments do not use firewire. Cameras less than a decade old don't NEED firewire.

I'm confused as to why you NEED it. It can't be for anything serious, since you wouldn't be using a (LOL) Macbook for professional work.
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
Instruments do not use firewire. Cameras less than a decade old don't NEED firewire.

I'm confused .
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That says it all. You're confused. You have no clue as to what you're talking about. All my personal camcorders and all the cameras in my broadcast program that I teach are less than a decade old, and theyall NEED firewire. Two that we just received this school year NEED firewire. Many camcorders being sold today NEED firewire. The Sony HDV Walkman that I have ordered NEEDS firewire. The hard drives we capture to NEED firewire. The professional audio equipment that many musicians use NEED firewire. Educate yourself before you make pointless posts.
 
lftrghtparadigm said:
Does this mean you have a profession that involves music production as well? If so, what do you need firewire for? A storage drive?

Instruments do not use firewire. Cameras less than a decade old don't NEED firewire.

I'm confused as to why you NEED it. It can't be for anything serious, since you wouldn't be using a (LOL) Macbook for professional work.
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Heh, LOL yourself.. Ever heard of a powercore? You're correct, a drum doesn't use firewire, but the soundcard you'd use to record the drum would use firewire... Don't tell me, you googled and found a USB soundcard, well, they don't compare at all. Ooh ooh, wait wait, macbook is for non-pro's because it doesn't have 'Pro' in it, SJ told me so! The MB was almost exactly the same as the MB PRO for audio production, the stuff it was lacking was less ports (not, NO ports) and the ability to hook up two screens instead of just one. And when not in the studio, but on stage, yes indeed, almost everyone will have a fast FW drive hooked up to their MB.

Now excuse me, I have to go change my CV as I'm using a MB without the Pro attached to it for my profession, as it's impossible to be a professional AND to use the MB for that very profession, hmmmm, I'm unemployed then or what...
 
chakosticks said:
That's nice. I have a BA in Music Production and I need Firewire.
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And here a diploma of music - the reason I want firewire in a Macbook though is because it's the smallest, lightest Apple Mac capable of running some basic Logic Studio when I'm out and about. I have a 6 month old MBP but it's more like a coffee-top stuck in the house due to it's weight I don't find it convenient to carry around along with everything else.
 
shanmugam said:
Done. 13k and counting ...

Only steve jobs knows everything, he can never go wrong!!! :rolleyes:
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He hasn't done anything wrong.

It's called "Blue Ocean Strategy" - discussed here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6476256/

You can also Google it - a huge business topic now. Practiced by Southwest and Nintendo, and now Apple...

Goodbye Firewire and Mini -it's been nice knowing you... :eek:
 
dolphin842 said:
Petition's over 13,000 now. Has it gotten any real publicity yet, or has this just been word-of-mouth so far?
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~1,740,666 macbooks sold in just the last quarter alone.

1,740,666
________ = 0.7%
13,000


Think you would need like 20% to get apple even thinking about changing their plans. So only 335,133 to go! :eek:
 
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