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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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Just to add one thing.
"Target Disk Mode was said to be "hardly ever used."
I hardly have to restore data from backup so should I not run backups? I hardly ever have to reinstall my mbp so maybe Apple should be more green and stop including the reinstall DVDs?
Target Disk Mode may be hardly ever used but it's absolute life saver when you need it!!!
Apple is just digging the hole deeper and deeper.
Now that is the reason why you are so adamantly defending Apple's decision to kill FW on the new Macbook. You bought one (or going to) and can't stand the fact people are saying it was a terrible choice to get rid of it. You don't want anyone to say anything negative about the new Macbook. Don't go to the Macbook forum b/c you would go nuts then.
Ouch. That wasn't very nice
I'm really really smart, maybe even smater than you.
But you've cut me deep and now I'm done for today.
The more a person claims to know, the less they actually do.
Yet an other mistake. Now they have people how don't accept censorship as opponents too.They could at least have tried the standard ******** show first.
Ok, I want to put it on record:
We just went out and bought a NEW white macbook, with FW and FINAL CUT EXPRESS preinstalled.
We use video a lot, and we DO NOT HAVE THE BUDGET for a MBP.
Sorry for the shouting, but our budget is set in advance, and WE HAD THE MONEY FOR A MB (alu) but without FW that went out of the window.
The spare money will go on RAM/ HD upgrades for the whitebook. (not from Apple - their loss)
I hope apple sees sales of whitebooks with FCE preinstalled as a signal. (Probably not).
We just went out and bought a NEW white macbook, with FW and FINAL CUT EXPRESS preinstalled.
We use video a lot, and we DO NOT HAVE THE BUDGET for a MBP.
Sorry for the shouting, but our budget is set in advance, and WE HAD THE MONEY FOR A MB (alu) but without FW that went out of the window.
The spare money will go on RAM/ HD upgrades for the whitebook. (not from Apple - their loss)
I hope apple sees sales of whitebooks with FCE preinstalled as a signal. (Probably not).
Apple is a company. Companies make products for customers. I am a customer, or may not be one if apple doesn't bring back FW in mb.
Apples makes products for me, a customer. Don't forget that. If Apple did forget that, well that'd be a sad day.
Ouch. That wasn't very nice
I'm really really smart, maybe even smater than you.
But you've cut me deep and now I'm done for today.
dizzy13, you used the term 'whining' first when in fact we are voicing valid 'complaints' about a bad decision Apple made.
From your comments, I can tell you aren't that smart. Definitely on the dumber side with you defending such a poor decision by apple.
You can come back anytime...
imho
No, they'll probably just chuckle over clearing out old inventory at new computer prices, and when that's gone so are the white Macbooks.
Which is why I'd only get a refurbished White/Black MacBook at this point in time.
I fully agree with you, but the terms of our funding don't allow buying second hand or refurb stuff. (and the Apple refurb store doesn't count either.) We have to produce receipts and be ready for any audit.
We have one rather short person who needs an easily portable mac laptop. I'd love to get her a MSI Wind hackintosh, but no, that will fail audit, so we will use some of our money to get her a MacBook Air.
I don't mind her getting it, she's lovely, but our funding would go so much further if we could buy refurb gear.
Again, if you will read this thread you will find the answer over and over again. For many of us price is either not a factor, or if it is one we would find away to upgrade to the higher priced notebook. The problem is, we need the small form factor 13" with firewire and Apple took that away. I'm not buying years old technology with significantly lower specs at any price. If they were making products for the many as you keep stating, they would have continued with firewire. There are thousands upon thousands of people using MB's for audio and there are millions of firewire camcorders still being used, not to mention all of the other existing, and yet to be produced, firewire peripherals in use. If a PC manufacturer can include firewire (or an expresscard slot) on a $600 laptop, there's absolutely no justification for Apple to omit it on an "entry level" MB that is over twice that price.
Choose the images you like. Sneak into a MB usb port. Is it compatible? I don't think so.
USB2 VS USB3
I don't see - what is not backward compatible?
From http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/09/ces_usb_3_revealed/:
"The new spec will be compatible with older USB 1.1 and 2.0 products, cables and connectors, and you can see from the diagram of the standard connector how that's achieved: the extra pins are placed behind the USB 1.1/2.0 ones. USB 3.0 connectors and receptacles will be deeper than the current ones."
Ok, I swear this is my last post for today, but I just couldn't help myself especially when internet people are calling me dumb and making me so sad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#USB_3.0
You deserved it for
1) claiming people are whining when they are voicing valid complaints about a bad decision by Apple
2) defending apple's incredibly bad decision.
imho.
What he was pointing out with the photos, not very clearly I admit, is that by looking at the actual port on the new MB or MBP you can tell whether it is a USB 3.0 port or a USB 2.0 port because of the new contacts visible on the end. Obviously they are still USB 2.0 ports but every few pages some twit on here suggests that maybe the new Macs already have USB 3.0, as if that would be a valid reason for removing FireWire. Now we know that it will be easy to tell just by looking at the port. I didn't realize there would be a visible difference. I'm glad he pointed that out.
He wasn't saying that 3.0 won't be backwards compatible. It will be, of course.
Honestly, dizzy13, do you have nothing better to do with your time than run around in circles on this particular forum continuously telling people to stop whining about something that you, by your own admission, do not care about? Take your own advice and go do something productive. We really cannot fathom why you keep staying around just to whine about something you don't care about.
And by the way, if almost 15 thousand signatures showing up on a petition in less than two weeks isn't enough for you to understand that a feature is important, you either aren't very bright or you think you are more important than at least 15 thousand other people. Neither quality is a very attractive trait when interacting with others.
And the saga continues!
It's worth noting that the following reviews (both on Apples hot news page) do have comments about firewire, and price and glossy screens.
http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20081022/apple-polishes-popular-macbook-for-a-higher-price/?sr=hotnews
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/edwardbaig/2008-10-23-macbook_N.htm?sr=hotnews
Neither are as vocal as I'd like, in fact Walt passes over the fact in the text, but he has a little more to say in the video.
I've already posted on both pages about the firewire debacle, and I think others should too, just so we're heard by even more people.
Something else I found was a post on the Apple website of someone who'd claimed to have received the following email from Apogee
This coming from Apples partner in Audio interfaces that have a control panel built into Garageband, and Logic!
It's worth noting that the following reviews (both on Apples hot news page) do have comments about firewire, and price and glossy screens.
http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20081022/apple-polishes-popular-macbook-for-a-higher-price/?sr=hotnews
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/edwardbaig/2008-10-23-macbook_N.htm?sr=hotnews
Neither are as vocal as I'd like, in fact Walt passes over the fact in the text, but he has a little more to say in the video.
I've already posted on both pages about the firewire debacle, and I think others should too, just so we're heard by even more people.
Something else I found was a post on the Apple website of someone who'd claimed to have received the following email from Apogee
This coming from Apples partner in Audio interfaces that have a control panel built into Garageband, and Logic!
All The New HD Camcorders Use USB?
The opening statement in this thread by Mr Jobs is incorrect.
Quote:
"Actually, all of the new HD camcorders of the past few years use USB 2"
HDV uses firewire and is the picture quality is actually superior to the AVCHD formats. I would have already pulled the trigger on a new Macbook but am to the point now where I won't go to the MBP simply because I feel I'm being upsold. And I'd really like the 13.3 form factor.
IMO this was a REALLY POOR decision. Guess I'll try the hackintosh route...
The opening statement in this thread by Mr Jobs is incorrect.
Quote:
"Actually, all of the new HD camcorders of the past few years use USB 2"
HDV uses firewire and is the picture quality is actually superior to the AVCHD formats. I would have already pulled the trigger on a new Macbook but am to the point now where I won't go to the MBP simply because I feel I'm being upsold. And I'd really like the 13.3 form factor.
IMO this was a REALLY POOR decision. Guess I'll try the hackintosh route...
Even some of those that do have USB2 won't work with Macs if the vidcam also have a FW interface. So just because it has USB2, and the manufacturer says that it works for video, it may still not work with a Mac.
What? So by leaving Firewire in, that means stuff could go wrong, it won't work better because they are trying to please everyone?
I appreciate that you appreciate my politeness. You'll never know how much I am holding myself back. But if I'm not careful I'll have to go stand in the corner again for being a naughty boy.
