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The issue isn't going to die, even if MacRumors closes this thread, or if Apple continues to delete posts that don't follow the "party line" and adhere to the "Apple knows best" concept.

The decision will come back to haunt Apple eventually, no matter how hard you try to spin the issue in a different direction.

Apple seems to be suffering from group think.

Groupthink is a type of thought exhibited by group members who try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas.

Social psychologist Clark McCauley's three conditions under which groupthink occurs:

Directive leadership.
Homogeneity of members' social background and ideology.
Isolation of the group from outside sources of information and analysis.

Speaking of spinning things.

The off topic discussion we were having (when you jumped in) was in regards to a record number of replies on Macrumors, not about people or companies posturing about the removal of firewire.

Also, I am not against those who are going after Apple for dropping a feature they want and need. I fully support it, however I am not involved as it currently doesn't effect me.

No need for the Psychoanalysis, I (as well as a some others) was simply having some off topic fun, and I am sorry you missed that. The hypersensitivity of this community is turning into a bit of a plague. People need to stop taking things so personally.

Again I apologize if you (or others) are taking things personally, it was not my intent.

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Speaking of spinning things.

The off topic discussion we were having (when you jumped in) was in regards to a record number of replies on Macrumors, not about people or companies posturing about the removal of firewire.

"When I jumped in"...?

Last time I checked this was a public forum, not a private conversation a group of people were having in whispered tones around the water cooler.
 
"When I jumped in"...?

Last time I checked this was a public forum, not a private conversation a group of people were having in whispered tones around the water cooler.

I guess I don't know how to respond to that as you missed the point of my post and took something (that wasn't even there) personally again. but you are 100% correct. This is a public forum.

Either way my apology still stands and I will (using your analogy) go back to being the silent guy standing in the corner by the Xerox copier.

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I guess I don't know how to respond to that as you missed the point of my post and took something (that wasn't even there) personally again. but you are 100% correct. This is a public forum.

Either way my apology still stands and I will (using your analogy) go back to being the silent guy standing in the corner by the Xerox copier.

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No need to be silent. You're certainly free to express your opinions, as is anyone else, in most public forums. Differences of opinions are the norm whenever people openly discuss virtually any given issue or concern.

Personally tho', I feel that it when people are passionate about a given issue, it doesn't matter if they're a majority or a minority -- those sorts of people tend to effect change. Women's Suffrage, the Civil Rights Movement, the Reformation, and countless other "issues largely of interest to the minority" have literally changed the world throughout the course of history.

From: The New Coke Fiasco - Market Research Lessons to be Learnt

Before Coca-Cola launched 'New Coke' they had invested US$4,000,000 in market research and undertook 200,000 blind taste tests. In all these blind (unbranded) taste tests the New Coke outperformed both Pepsi and existing Coke.

These blind taste tests were the basis of the launch of 'New Coke' in 1985.

The launch created a public outcry, with Coke receiving over 40,000 letters of complaint and over 6,000 calls a day to the company's '0800' phone number. After only 87 days the company responded to the public's demands and re-introduced the original Coke formula.
 
Today I posted an article entitled, "STORAGE INTERFACE SHOOTOUT: USB 2.0 vs FireWire 400 vs FireWire 800 vs Serial ATA on the 'Late 2008' MacBook Pro"
http://www.barefeats.com/mbpp10.html

This article documents the improvement in USB 2.0 transfer speed on the 'late 08' MBP and discusses the relative merits of USB vs FireWire vs SATA on the MBP.
 
We all know the firewire's advantage for targeting market. I think jobs want the "targeting" costumer to buy a pro. And the macbook is a universel edition.

Typos aside, this logic (leaving firewire off the MB to differentiate it), would be absolutely inexcusable, if indeed this is Apple's reasoning. It's almost like taking the headphone socket away from the MB but leaving it on the MBP. I'm sure a lot of people don't use the headphone socket either, and leaving it out would similarly save a few dollars. However, I think we can all agree, this would be a terrible idea.

Removing FW and all the functionality that goes with it, without replacing it, or providing so much as a work around, is an awful way to treat customers, especially the loyal user base. It's been on countless previous versions, and yet we're supposed to accept that, without it, the new model is somehow improved.

And would people please stop likening it to when Apple got rid of floppy drives - totally different. Floppies had become a genuine irrelevance, there was a superior replacement (CDs) and for those who needed it, there was a work around. There's no work around here. Firewire isn't remotely obsolete, in fact is highly thought of in non-mac tech circles.

This is just a bad decision all round. Terrible way to treat customers, terrible strategy for the platform, terribly short-sighted. It also bodes very badly for the future. And for what? To pinch a few pennies from the most loyal customers? It's also pissed off a lot of people. (Me included, in case you hadn't noticed).
 
Today I posted an article entitled, "STORAGE INTERFACE SHOOTOUT: USB 2.0 vs FireWire 400 vs FireWire 800 vs Serial ATA on the 'Late 2008' MacBook Pro"
http://www.barefeats.com/mbpp10.html

This article documents the improvement in USB 2.0 transfer speed on the 'late 08' MBP and discusses the relative merits of USB vs FireWire vs SATA on the MBP.

Interesting, but storage isn't my primary area of concern -- it's the merits of USB vs. Firewire for audio production, for which Firewire is the preferred standard.

What the New Apple Laptop Port Changes Mean for Audio
 
long time reader here also, had to get password emailed to me as i never post anything, but thought i should post my feedback to apple...

Please don't remove firewire, its such a bad idea, as you can tell already, your true customers are not ready for you to do this, and in this case of your macbook, it is a very bad idea removing it as imovie just wont work, oh you say it works with usb? ok well that's fine, if you have a usb camcorder, but if i already own firewire camcorder and now need to buy a new camcorder to edit movies, why the hell would i buy both a new macbook and new camcorder? it should just work... was that not your slogan? maybe it should now be "it just works, if you have the correct equipment" I can see you losing customers. myself include, as i own the now old (and best imo) Macbook pro, and hate your glossy screens. bad bad bad!
 
Interesting, but storage isn't my primary area of concern -- it's the merits of USB vs. Firewire for audio production, for which Firewire is the preferred standard.

What the New Apple Laptop Port Changes Mean for Audio

Backups are my main concern. Try backing up 500GB over USB 2.0 :(
Firewire 400 yes please.
Firewire 800 yes please even more!

Let's daisy chain my hard drive and make a clone... oh wait, no firewire :(
 
Backups are my main concern. Try backing up 500GB over USB 2.0 :(
Firewire 400 yes please.
Firewire 800 yes please even more!

Let's daisy chain my hard drive and make a clone... oh wait, no firewire :(

Oh I know. I've always found USB2 to be painfully slow compared to even FW400 whenever I've been forced to use it. All my external drives have USB and FW400 interfaces, and I've tried transferring large files via both protocols, so that observations is based on real-world experience.

For anyone that relies on FW for audio, video, storage, etc. the lack of FW on the new MacBook is a huge step backwards no matter how anyone tries to spin the issue.

Hopefully, people effected by Apple's decision to drop Firewire from the new Macbook will sign the petition and make Apple aware of their concerns via feedback.
 
Seriously, I'm lamenting the lack of FireWire on the new machines as much as the next person (it would be more, except my Penryn 2.5 C2D MacBook Pro has lots of FireWire options...), but... I also backup wirelessly to a Time Capsule, and when it started new, and whenever I decide to wipe it and start over, it takes a day and a half. That's longer than USB2. No matter, it's usually reliable and easy to check. I'll miss FireWire, eventually, but for now will let others see what it's like on the new Macs.

And if I ever upgrade from my Penryn MBP, my Pismo and other computers have FireWire.

Backups are my main concern. Try backing up 500GB over USB 2.0 :(
Firewire 400 yes please.
Firewire 800 yes please even more!

Let's daisy chain my hard drive and make a clone... oh wait, no firewire :(
 
And let's not forget to vent our spleens on the Apple forum:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1751964&tstart=0

Although i'd suggest using Firefox - this page seems to crash Safari. Funny that.

double done!:p

hmm, might seem a bit much, but has anyone thought about a picket line / protest outside your local apple store? might get media attention, and help increase the awareness of the lack of firewire? print out a big firewire logo onto cardboard and stick it on a stick?:rolleyes:

might want to digg this
 
Hmm, might seem a bit much, but has anyone thought about a picket line / protest outside your local apple store? might get media attention, and help increase the awareness of the lack of firewire? print out a big firewire logo onto cardboard and stick it on a stick?:rolleyes:

Yeah, probably not too effective.
 
Last week, on the phone, I got a chance to vent my unhappiness to Steve Jobs himself. I told him about my long-held intention to edit down those 100 tapes, maybe when I’m retired.

I must admit, he gave me quite a wakeup call. He pointed out that in 10 years, there won’t be any machines left that can play them.

(He also mentioned that, realistically, the only time people really edit their movies is just after they’ve shot them. And sure enough: I’ve been intending to edit my tapes for 15 years now; what makes me think I’ll have time to do it in the next 15?)
More on Steve Job's response to pulling FW from new MB's.
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/the-macbook-makeover/
 
More on Steve Job's response to pulling FW from new MB's.
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/the-macbook-makeover/

I must admit, he gave me quite a wakeup call. He pointed out that in 10 years, there won’t be any machines left that can play them.

What a stupid excuse! So since in a hundred years we won't use laptops at all, why isn't Apple dropping the entire Macbook line?

Steve Jobs has a problem with honesty. There is only one real reason FireWire has been dropped from the Macbook at this time: to increase sales of the Macbook Pro. His attempts to weasel out of this simple truth are merely pathetic.
 
Exactly. And if crippling computers by removing FireWire was the future, then the "pro" model would be the one to lose it as that's what "professionals want".
 
What a stupid excuse! So since in a hundred years we won't use laptops at all, why isn't Apple dropping the entire Macbook line?

Steve Jobs has a problem with honesty. There is only one real reason FireWire has been dropped from the Macbook at this time: to increase sales of the Macbook Pro. His attempts to weasel out of this simple truth are merely pathetic.

What a deal. For a mere $700 more you can get a Macbook Pro and get a Firewire port worth $10.
 
What a deal. For a mere $700 more you can get a Macbook Pro and get a Firewire port worth $10.

As i said earlier - welcome to the recession-proof Apple. You're gonna pay more and Apple will keep its profits up, even if it doesn't sell as many.

It's time we all got an EeePC (to run Leopard on, of course) to let Apple know what their customers are after.

The number of times I've read or heard - I had to buy the Pro because I needed Firewire.

They didn't of course. If they REALLY wanted a MacBook with Firewire, they could have bought the plastic one...

as long as they didn't want the NVIDIA graphics, DDR3 RAM & more of it, faster hard drive, LED screen, faster processor and of course the solid Al case. But then it doesn't seem like much of an upgrade, does it?
 
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