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Yes, but your argument is that because it's more widespread there is NO USE for firewire.
I said USB is more common so to most people they don't need firewire, since most of the devices out there are USB, just because most people don't need firewire, doesn't mean there still isn't a small need for it. This is my main point, the market is moving away from firewire.


At least Apple are. But again, your argument is that there is NO USE for it because of that. In fact, you're claiming that because YOU have no need for it, noone else should.

Not just Apple, the general market which is why you don't see more firewire devices than USB. Yes I meant myself and most consumers who are buying USB devices over firewire which is why we keep seeing more and more of them. The market has spoken, sure there's a minority who prefer firewire but that number will keep on getting smaller and smaller.




I have already shown you. Your continued attempts to argue that there is no need for firewire for anyone, merely because you personally don't need, or because you're younger[!!!] than us, and so on, is, as mentioned, true ignorance, showing how little you know of firewire and USB, and the limitations of both - especially limitations of USB.

I haven't said there's no need for firewire, I said I don't need it and most people don't which is why we are seeing less firewire devices. Sure firewire is faster than USB but most people don't seem to care which is my point.


Or maybe you're just a troll, dead set on "proving" that Apple can do no wrong. I especially liked your post about the MBA not having any problems with watching youtube videos, calling the bloke a liar.

Oh so I'm a troll because we have different viewpoints and anyone who says they can't play youtube on their MBA is fabricating the truth because it does play youtube, I mean I don't know what kind of youtube videos they are trying to play.
 
Oh so I'm a troll because we have different viewpoints and anyone who says they can't play youtube on their MBA is fabricating the truth because it does play youtube, I mean I don't know what kind of youtube videos they are trying to play.
Do more research before posting. Do you have any knowledge on the previous generation of MacBook Air? What about Flash playback on OS X?

The same can be said of FireWire as well. It's not really contributing if you fail understand our concerns about the lack of FireWire on the new Macbooks.

If you do understand those concerns then why post about it not being a problem then? We're just going to end up posting why it is a problem. So we're stuck again repeating ourselves so you'll understand.
 
I said USB is more common so to most people they don't need firewire, since most of the devices out there are USB, just because most people don't need firewire, doesn't mean there still isn't a small need for it. This is my main point, the market is moving away from firewire.
Haha, trying to cover your bases, are you?
The reality is, you said that you could not see a problem with nixing firewire BECAUSE most people didn't use it. This stands, and luckily I quoted it earlier on. THAT was your argument: There was NO NEED FOR IT since you didn't use it, and most people used USB.




Not just Apple, the general market which is why you don't see more firewire devices than USB.
Perhaps in the lowest common denominator consumer world. However, go take a look at computers (in general –*not just Apple's offerings) and tell me that is true.
In fact, I highly doubt you knew anything about FW when yu came here, you just thought you could waltz in and proclaim there was no need for it, since YOU saw no need for it.

Yes I meant myself and most consumers who are buying USB devices over firewire which is why we keep seeing more and more of them.
Again, I take it that's why you bought an MBA? Or that's why you think it's better to pay a premium to buy Apple, yet you will settle for USB? You don't see any discrepancy there?

The market has spoken, sure there's a minority who prefer firewire but that number will keep on getting smaller and smaller.
LOL, that's like saying that the market has spoken when it comes to McDonald's and there will become less and less quality food.
In fact, what's funny is that (although talking software), Apple is very small player compared to Microsoft, why don't I see you make the argument that Apple might just as well shut down their whole operation except for their iPod/iPhone production? I mean, "the market has spoken", hasn't it? :p

I haven't said there's no need for firewire, I said I don't need it and most people don't which is why we are seeing less firewire devices.
Nope, you positively said you saw no need for firewire as you didn't use it yourself.

Sure firewire is faster than USB but most people don't seem to care which is my point.
Sigh … it's not just about speed. How about you spent some time reviewing this thread? Seriously.
The lowest common denominator is not an argument. If it truly were an argument you would save money on buying the latest MBs as opposed to the older MBs. You're not. And don't give me the "but it's alu", as aluminium is one of cheapest ways of manufacturing something as simple as a small case.






Oh so I'm a troll because we have different viewpoints and anyone who says they can't play youtube on their MBA is fabricating the truth because it does play youtube, I mean I don't know what kind of youtube videos they are trying to play.

LOL, no, I figured I might reply to your strawman that I saw ghosts where there were none, even though I showed you how little you knew about firewire. Of course, you now add to this notion, but it still stands that you called someone a liar for stating his MBA was overheating from watching youtube videos, which, btw, is a widely acknowledged problems experienced by a lot of MBA-owners, often resulting in a core shutdown. Do I figure you fabricate the truth? No, not in the least. I am saying that the post implies you're indeed a troll, because this is a widely known issue, yet you choose to call the bloke a liar (er, actually call the claim a lie).
 
Choices

It would be great to have a choice on Firewire, I wanted to move away from the desk top and firewire for my Sony Video cam is essential, the camera costs as much as the laptop, and it takes a while to changeover hardware, just another year or so would have been good, and the price it costs manufacturers to add firewire is almost nothing.
I guess SJ is beyond listening to customers who put too much faith in the product, perhaps the rule is, in retrospect, don't follow Apple with innovation unless the rest of the planet does the same, stick to the status quo, (USB) because sooner or later, usually sooner, you will get burnt. There are quite a few examples along the way from Apples history that demonstrates this, not just with firewire.
One day we will be able to put MacOSX on any computer we choose, that will be a great day, and it won't be far off I might suggest, then we will really have choices, and Apple will be no better than the rest, at least we will know that we haven't got firewire right from the start, and with that in mind buy hardware with confidence.
 
Do more research before posting. Do you have any knowledge on the previous generation of MacBook Air? What about Flash playback on OS X?

The same can be said of FireWire as well. It's not really contributing if you fail understand our concerns about the lack of FireWire on the new Macbooks.

If you do understand those concerns then why post about it not being a problem then? We're just going to end up posting why it is a problem. So we're stuck again repeating ourselves so you'll understand.

Much better said than I could have done it. Short too :cool:
 
Don't worry people. Firewire will be back. :) Maybe not in this form but the next generation firewire. There's really no reason to kill a good technology except to replace the existing one with a better solution. I believe we haven't seen the last of firewire. :cool:
 
Don't worry people. Firewire will be back. :) Maybe not in this form but the next generation firewire. There's really no reason to kill a good technology except to replace the existing one with a better solution. I believe we haven't seen the last of firewire. :cool:

Firewire hasn't gone anywhere, and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It's the preferred interface for pro and home audio recording. Most audio devices are FW400, which is perfectly capable of handling the requirements of professional audio recording.

There are more Firewire audio interfaces available now than ever before. Check out the three pages of Firewire audio devices available from ZZSounds, as well as 13 Firewire mixers.
 
There are companies whose products are primarily firewire based. There are several companies that make hard disk recorders that mount on a camcorder and can record DV or HDV in formats that are ready to edit in the Non Linear Editor of choice. They connect to the camcorder through firewire. Apparently these companies didn't get the memo from Mr. Jobs that firewire based video is history, because they are all still producing these products. ;)
 
There are companies whose products are primarily firewire based. There are several companies that make hard disk recorders that mount on a camcorder and can record DV or HDV in formats that are ready to edit in the Non Linear Editor of choice. They connect to the camcorder through firewire. Apparently these companies didn't get the memo from Mr. Jobs that firewire based video is history, because they are all still producing these products. ;)

So you have inferred from the lack of FW on the MB ithat Steve Jobs thinks that FW video is histroy? :rolleyes:
 
So you have inferred from the lack of FW on the MB ithat Steve Jobs thinks that FW video is histroy? :rolleyes:

That was his statement. If you had read the opening post in this very long thread you would have seen this statement from Steve Jobs:

"Actually, all of the new HD camcorders of the past few years use USB 2".

He said all HD video cameras now use USB so there was no need for firewire. Besides ignoring the established user base of millions of firewire camcorders (and the many other uses of firewire), it's simply not true. There are still camcorders, at all price levels, being manufactured with firewire. So, he is either ignorant of the existing technology, or he flat out lied.
 
USB3 products won't be available until 2010 while FireWire S3200 products are around the corner.

Not that the arrival of USB3 would in any way solve the problem.
 
Also, firewire is the officially sanctioned method for extracting video from a cable box. This is the FDC approved method and Apple has been kind enough to supply a program specifically for this purpose. A program that will now be useless.

I would certainly argue that this is a decidedly un-Pro use of a macbook and deserves to be suported by the model targeting the home user. Also, the previous models have been strained by this application, so the retained white macbook is probably not a great choice for this. The new, more video-efficient models would have been a better choice, if they had firewire.

This is really the best way to get brodcast tv into a computer and onto an iPod, so maybe it's not a coincidence that this coincides with HD tv sales at iTunes.
 
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I am terribly sorry guys, but I COULD NOT RESIST. :D
 
Ieee

So with the nixing of firewire, the MB has sudddenly become cheaper?

That's funny!

The new MB in the UK is considerably dearer than previous models - okay so it has a great redesign. But it has no IEEE 1394 interface (that will fox the "usb is better than firewire" posters who will now have to look up what that is)

Bungie

PS "IEEE" is not a loud scream or war cry
 
Well, I bought the early MBP 2008. I wanted to buy the new MB or possible the new MBP, but the FW issue was the deciding factor.

I guess Apple wins, they still have my money.
They haven't helped me or themselves, if you know what I mean.
 
That's funny!

The new MB in the UK is considerably dearer than previous models - okay so it has a great redesign. But it has no IEEE 1394 interface (that will fox the "usb is better than firewire" posters who will now have to look up what that is)

Bungie

PS "IEEE" is not a loud scream or war cry

Weird, it didn't become cheaper here in Denmark either. I guess that kind of proves my point, now doesn't it?


Further, since I'm one of the people who depends on firewire, I don't really don't get your point and your put-down as if I didn't know what IEEE1394 is.
Perhaps you should have read my post a little closer - or any of my numerous posts in this thread.

Edit: I removed the rolling eyes, as I figured I might be interpreting your post the wrong way. I guess you could have just used my post as a starting point, and then addressed the "anti-FW" (lol) out there.
 
PS "IEEE" is not a loud scream or war cry

:D :D :D Thanks. :D :D :D

You know, my earlier 12-port "FireBook" mock-up was meant as a joke, but I can actually see where a MacBook Pro with four FireWire ports (2x FW400, 2x FW800) wouldn't be unreasonable. Unfortunately this will never happen unless I take over Apple. :D
 
Agree... but...

I agree it kinda sucks but instead of throwing out all your **** or buying new stuff why can't you just get a $18 FW 800 to 400 adapter.
 
79 pages and no-one thought of that. What a novel solution!

But where do we plug it on the MacBook, the FW800 cable doesn't fit in the USB port. :rolleyes:
 
79 pages and no-one thought of that. What a novel solution!

But where do we plug it on the MacBook, the FW800 cable doesn't fit in the USB port. :rolleyes:

And as sai numerous times in the 1972 posts, there is no adaptor to make the agere chipset into a TI-one for the 15" MacBook named "MacBook Pro".

Love it when people don't at least try to read at least the first two pages of such a long the thread, don't you? :eek:
 
I agree it kinda sucks but instead of throwing out all your **** or buying new stuff why can't you just get a $18 FW 800 to 400 adapter.

Maybe we should just buy the adapter that turns it into a freakin iPhone so we can call Mr. Jobs and thank him for making our lives so much better by taking away the fiirewire. Sheesh. :rolleyes:
 
That was his statement. If you had read the opening post in this very long thread you would have seen this statement from Steve Jobs:

"Actually, all of the new HD camcorders of the past few years use USB 2".

He said all HD video cameras now use USB so there was no need for firewire. Besides ignoring the established user base of millions of firewire camcorders (and the many other uses of firewire), it's simply not true. There are still camcorders, at all price levels, being manufactured with firewire. So, he is either ignorant of the existing technology, or he flat out lied.

It is a fact though, that they are becoming less and less of a percentage of the cameras offered. Less this year than last year etc. Tape is going away, regardless of when the last tape camera will be offered.
 
It is a fact though, that they are becoming less and less of a percentage of the cameras offered. Less this year than last year etc. Tape is going away, regardless of when the last tape camera will be offered.

And that's relevant how? They exist today in the millions and are still being sold. USB will disappear someday. Conventional hard disks will disappear someday. Etc., etc. Everything comes to an end of it's useful life eventually. But that is irrelevant (And doesn't change the fact that what Jobs was purported to say is false). I buy a computer today for my needs today, not for several years down the road. Computers should be produced with the ports that are usable, and needed by many, today, not for some nebulous future.
 
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