My faith in Apple is at an all time low, but unless people are willing to keep the heat on Apple regarding the Firewire issue nothing is likely to change anytime soon.
But it would look great in a Zen Garden! What more would anyone want or need?
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Steve Jobs on Lack of Firewire in MacBooks
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My faith in Apple is at an all time low, but unless people are willing to keep the heat on Apple regarding the Firewire issue nothing is likely to change anytime soon.
But it would look great in a Zen Garden! What more would anyone want or need?
Haha.
Yeah, if Jobs were to make the sales pitch himself, I think Apple would have a real shot at some decent sales of the "iBox" amongst a lot of the Apple faithful.
Haha.
Yeah, if Jobs were to make the sales pitch himself, I think Apple would have a real shot at some decent sales of the "iBox" amongst a lot of the Apple faithful.
"Don't ask what the iBox can do for you -- ask what you can do for it!"
Most interesting.This has got to be my favorite post of this thread. I too have noticed the lack of attention in the Apple store. I've been there twice in the last week and haven't seen anyone walk out with a MacBook yet. Way to go public!
I love how this thread doesn't quit. I hope Apple is swapping out a USB for a FireWire 800 port in their MacBook build as we speak. Not announcing a revision in their January event would just seem foolish (along with push notification, but that's for another thread
My guess is that we will not see FW in the MB lineup.
SJ would have to eat crow to do this.
Rather, Apple will introduce a MBP13 that has FW800, and a MBP17 model.
Good news!
True.
Maybe this time they will listen to the customer.
Apple has a history of this.
They got so far off the 8 ball back in the 90's, that Apple almost ceased to exist as a company.
Yep, some folks just don't get it.An option....sure that makes real sense
You do have a choice, but I'm afraid Apple makes products for everybody so you either compromise on the Pro (or White MB)...or go without
Phew
Snort!
At what price point for a MBP13? I don't see where this fits between the current 2.4GHz MB and the low-end MBP.
But the problem then was that they had so many conflicting system choices that customers couldn't keep them straight (plus licensing MacOS to clone makers). Now it's more like the opposite - too few options.
So after 2 million posts, what is the workaround for getting a firewire camera movie onto one of these macbooks?!?
Buy a new camera, connect the old camera to the new one (via the s-video out) and record the video on the new camera (with USB) then connect new camera to the Alu Macbook.
Otherwise, there is none.
Well, I'll be getting an Elgato Hybrid and try the composite video and audio cable. It's an old camera so the picture is only so good anyway. I'm hoping that the Hybrid doesn't lose too much in the way of quality. I'd get the eye tv 250 with the build in decoder but I can't tell if it will work next year with my VHF antenna (digital signals and all that).
The 250 plus supports both ASTC for over the air digital signals and QAM for unencrypted digital cable.
Over 90% of digital stations are UHF...
See http://www.antennasdirect.com/vhf_hdtv_stations.html for a list of VHF HDTV stations.
Check with your local stations to be sure - some stations are moving on the 17th of February.
Also, a very useful site is http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx - you put in your address and it will show lists of stations, frequencies and distance. It will even show a map of where the towers are relative to your home.
To see detailed signal maps, http://www.tvfool.com/ has a Google Earth tool that will show signal propagation maps which show how hills and structures block the signals.
See http://www.antennasdirect.com/vhf_hdtv_stations.html for a list of VHF HDTV stations.
Check with your local stations to be sure - some stations are moving on the 17th of February.
Also, a very useful site is http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx - you put in your address and it will show lists of stations, frequencies and distance. It will even show a map of where the towers are relative to your home.
To see detailed signal maps, http://www.tvfool.com/ has a Google Earth tool that will show signal propagation maps which show how hills and structures block the signals.
Good point.
Maybe around $1,800 for the MBP13 with 2.4Ghz CPU?
Agree. Very true.
That was a frustrating time for sure.
Unfortunately, the lack of FireWire, thanks to Uncle Steve, is beginning a new era of frustration for Apple's customers.
No adequate replacement for firewire = no new purchase of a MacBook and continued use of an older MBP. Thus earning Apple ZERO money until this one dies. Hear that shareholders?
For us prosumer Mac uses that era began a couple of years ago. Steve is graciously extending it to the general population.
Another ignorant floppy drive analogy.
How can any rational person think that it is in any way comparable?And if you care to find out why it is a pathetic analogy, try actually going back and reading some of the posts in this thread.
Probably not many, as only a fool would buy a MacBook if they had a use for FireWire.
Oh BTW, I will NOT be buying a new MB not only because of the lack of FireWire,
but also the loss the S-Video out. I have a 36" Sony Wega tube TV from 2000 that
still works great. I don't watch TV; the SD DVDs look far better than on any HDTV.
I often use my MacBook to watch video using the S-Video connector. Why lose that option?
Why? Some of us 'pros' use two machines... having firewire on my BlackBook was extremely handy. I was never going to buy a second smaller brand new MBP to supplement my main one.
Excuse my poor writing...
I just re-read my post above. Sounds like we're on the same page. I have an
iMac at home (20" 2 Ghz rev b PPC G5), and I use the firewire on my MacBook
quite a bit more than I do on the iMac. So what I meant was, anyone with a use
for FireWire would indeed be a fool to buy the new MacBook, especially with
so many other options out there, including the PC world (wow I actually said it).
If and when the time comes to upgrade/replace my Jan '07 2 Ghz MacBook,
it will be a last-gen 2.4 Ghz model with its glorious FireWire port and
its inherently better Wi-Fi reception. Long live the plastic MacBooks!
I just re-read my post above. Sounds like we're on the same page. I have an
iMac at home (20" 2 Ghz rev b PPC G5), and I use the firewire on my MacBook
quite a bit more than I do on the iMac. So what I meant was, anyone with a use
for FireWire would indeed be a fool to buy the new MacBook, especially with
so many other options out there, including the PC world (wow I actually said it).
If and when the time comes to upgrade/replace my Jan '07 2 Ghz MacBook,
it will be a last-gen 2.4 Ghz model with its glorious FireWire port and
its inherently better Wi-Fi reception. Long live the plastic MacBooks!
That will work, any FW / tape camera should be able to output analog video right? Take that from the camera into the Elgato and you have your video. Its actually the same thing I am doing with mountains of VHS tapes at the moment
That will work, any FW / tape camera should be able to output analog video right? Take that from the camera into the Elgato and you have your video. Its actually the same thing I am doing with mountains of VHS tapes at the moment
Yeah, this looks like a workaround. But... you've added an unnecessary D/A and A/D conversion, followed by a second encoding (into mpeg-2), each of which will degrade the image quality.
And without looking too deep into the product, I'm guessing it doesn't use iMovie or FCP / FCPE tools to get the data into your machine - its Elgato software pulling the newly encoded video in. So if you wish to edit, you'll probably then have to import the mpeg-2 files created by the Elgato 250 into your editing SW.
Those caveats aside though (and the $$ to buy it!), at least it offers an option for video - the audio guys and everyone else with other FW peripherals are still out of luck
If I needed to access a floppy disc, I could go to Office Depot right now and buy a USB floppy drive, bring it home, plug it into my computer, and I could access the information.
No solution exists for retrieving information off of a firewire hard drive with the new Macbook. Might I add, I could buy that firewire hard drive at Office Depot right now, too.
lol, what's a floppy drive...
companies will always add/remove things to make you have to buy new things. it's how they maximize sales
Certainly not with HDV camcorders!
And even if it worked, it would be utterly stupid to downgrade the highdef material to analog just to get it into a Macbook.
Unfortunately HDV needs both, a fast processor AND firewire.
My next camcorder will either be the new Sony FX1000 or a Red Scarlet. The Sony has no USB at all and the Scarlet's card reader will most likely be FW800 like on their current models.
Since both camcorder and laptop must fit in a backpack, I rather downgrade my notebook to Windows and use SpeedEdit for on the road checks than downgrade the camera. No matter how much I love and prefer OSX and FCP.
The priorities of serious users are quite different than those of fanboys and switchers. In the pro world it is often the peripherals that dictate the computer system, not the other way round...