hey ed, i think you may have misinterpreted that post of mine. i was being sarcastic and it might of only been understandable if you spend some time on the macpro forum here..
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Steve Jobs Once Considered Killing Apple's Pro Products
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hey ed, i think you may have misinterpreted that post of mine. i was being sarcastic and it might of only been understandable if you spend some time on the macpro forum here..
Duh, very true... But that logo is HUGE, and on both sides... For what it's worth.
I find the design pretentious....
In the 1980s a friend of mine was complaining that his cleaning lady had thrown out his "Andy Warhol Brillo Box". She considered it trash he paid $50.000 for it
He will probably love the design....
True that there are differing tastes, but it all comes down to how many will plunk their (or their corporation's) money down for them... Time will tell. Hopefully it's not as hard a sell as the latest Microsoft hardware has been...
Great idea, if Tim Cook is knowledgeable of the threads here: How about a coupon for owners of the previous generation so they can upgrade... Sounds good to me!
Great, you start out by stating we have no idea what those GPUs are, then goes on to make a bunch of assumptions.
Compared to Thunderbolt, because that's the example that was made, but it was made with GPUs specifically, which is why it's important to point out that it does seem to have two very capable GPUs onboard.
It's not a mantra, it's was a honest question.
Ah, you are actually talking about laptops, got it. In that case you have already made sacrifices concerned with internal drive bays and PCIe expansion, not to mention the extra power you would have got from a desktop.
I only know one Pro, of the many hundreds I've worked with that's bought a new PC, recently instead of a mac and he is regretting it daily.
Every single post house I work freelance at uses MacPro. No one will touch microsoft due to the pain of upkeep.
Apple still have the biggest market share where it matters. It's almost impossible to actually work it out as there are dozens of cheap rubbish android phones and tablets out there now... and they are not getting used 20% as much as Apple products - this was shown in the last keynote.
The new mac pro is going to be a powerhouse with almost unlimited expandability.
Are you saying that those GPUs won't be wired to 16 lanes each? There are no assumptions- FirePro is x16 lanes (and there's a large variety of them- hence my not knowing what GPU MacPros are going to have!), everything is simple maths based on the marketing materials released by Apple...
Do you know what specific FirePros they are going to have??!
The simple truth is: because of the proprietary design, chances are by the time the product is actually on the market, those FirePros are going to be yesterday's news...
Nope, I have not said anything about it, because we know nothing about it, remember.
Ok, and how many lanes does the cards in the Mac Pro use?
Nope, but I have seen Adobe demonstrate 5k video editing on the box, I do know not know what specific cards they are using (or if there are exact equivalents).
Most ridiculous comment on here. Apple is a whole ecosystem from the pro machines to the iPhone. One designs and build for the other.
If they split then there would be similar to the complete mess of Windows and Driver issues, and non compliant hardware. The whole point of Apple is they control everything - Design, hardware, build and sales. No other company does this. And absolutely no company has remotely the quality and service levels.
Apple is perfectly capable of building machines necessary to keep it's ecosystem rolling.
You said there was plenty of bandwidth to spare, I used Apple's marketing materials so show the opposite. If you want to show otherwise, show your maths!
Nope, but AMD's specs say use x16 PCIe GEN3 for optimum performance. It is entirely plausible that Apple will sacrifice the performance but then what's the point of shelling out a ton of cash on a Porshe if you're only ever going to drive it on a country road?..
What "box"??! That statement is about as useful as "I've seen a car driven at 100mph"..
Yes, and I also explained in my last post that it was compared to Thunderbolt because that is all the comment I quoted was bringing up. BTW maths requires numbers to work on, numbers we don't have.
I don't know, you make assumptions again.
Well, if the car we are discussing is known by context it should not be too hard to follow.
No doubt. But there are plenty of people who report seeing only iPhones and iPads in the wild, and we know that their market share too is fast approaching Mac-like proportions.
Just for the record, 100,000 part assemblies on SolidWorks are outliers, Black Swans, not moderate assemblies, and nobody runs full assemblies without "lightening" the data set and working on subassemblies anyway. Why isn't your company on CATIA, NX or CREO, is the first thing that comes to mind.
The previewed Mac Pro won't have any issues with SolidWorks under Boot Camp, and most likely will run fine under Parallels. Even your large assemblies and simulations should work fine; better when OpenCL sees wider adoption, as it is trending.
Your problem is that there isn't a MBP with a Quadro or FireGL card. Yet plenty of people run SolidWorks fine as is on MBP without RealView.
Yes we do- Apple quotes "upto" 40GBps PCIe GEN3 bandwith, which translates into 40 lanes. It also states that there are two FirePros (both of which can be easily seen on the picture), these require 16 lanes each according to AMD. The SSD is quoted by Apple as being "upto" 1250MBps, given that a PCIe GEN3 lane tops out at 985MBps (in the ideal interference-free world!) that means you're either going to give your PCIe SSD two lanes or sacrifice SSD's performance. TB v2 still uses PCIe GEN2, so you're wasting 4 lanes there. GigE chipset will require at least 1 lane, so will 802.11ac (let's assume it's bundled with BTv4 on the same chipset). You'll also need at least 1 lane for USB v3.
I am, but I am not pulling numbers out of thin air- these are educated guesses based on knowledge, research and common sense...
If you're talking about the iBin, then you do know the difference between real world and a showroom demo, right? One can easily shove a tiny clip onto the SSD and show how wonderful it is, but try doing that with a number of raw feeds from several REDs... If "the box" had 2 FDR IB ports wired independently into PCIe, then that's a good workhorse (even for number crunching you can IB nVidia cards across several machines). The bottleneck is in it's storage capacity and expandability.
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You've posted a lot of glib replies to my posts in various threads where you take things out of context and avoid the main points. For example here I was giving examples where a company dominating a high-end market helps them sell low-end gear. So what does smartphones vs dedicated cameras have to do with either this entire thread or what I was saying in my post?
And I would agree that smartphones are destroying the market for cheap point and shoots where all you want is a simple camera that goes with you. And I will also agree that that was a much larger market than even cheap SLR's.
But cheap SLRs were always a lot more bulky and expensive than cheap point and shoots, so people always had to go out of their way to get and use them. The quality is still so much better that the people who would use them before will still use them. And given the current state of optics that is not likely to change for a long time. Even better point and shoots like the canon G15 still have a good future and smartphones are not a threat.
That's my point, I argued that pocket cameras are where the bulk of the market is, and it's probably threatened by phones. In a scenario like that they would come to rely solely on their high end offerings, which does obviously have an edge. It's very much in line with what you said, and more of a comment or addition to what you said than a disagreement or confrontation really.
it was a bad thing to consider, their pro line is the most successful line (in my opinion), after reading the news of a completely redesigned pro coming later this year i'm super excited, i'll be upgrading this time
I wouldn't consider the G15 or equivalents like the CoolPix P7700 to be point and shoots, or even compact cameras. Mostly, the class of small entry level cameras that have few controls will be impacted by camera phones.
Let's go with that, then compare it to both these cards used externally with Thunderbolt, comparatively they have lot's of more bandwidth internally. I think you may need to go back and look at the first post again, the comparison was with GPUs on Thunderbolt.
Of course, but do you know the difference between a demo and nothing at all, or the difference with marketing material and real tests? Together with the MARI demo and the rest that is currently known means I remain optimistic about it until I know more. A real world review would of course be more interesting, but then we would not have this discussion.
everything needs time, no one knows how successful a thing can be, hardwork and patience is the key to success, Steve Jobs did the right thing by not shutting down the line.
That's down to market saturation... everyone that wants a hight end tablet has one. There is not need to upgrade them every year now. An ipad 2 is still perfectly good for most people. And well the ipad 2-4 are basically the same size and weight.
people will upgrade on the next verison.
Same with the iphone - there is no major need to upgrade.
It's the android tablets that are selling for $100 that are shifiting units doesn't mean people are using them. The ONLY good android tablet I have used is the Nexus 7 and 10. Most of the rest are shocking.
Their professional market has given Apple something that the consumer market never could, and that is its reputation. Apple has made a lot of money off its iPods and iPhones, but their rock solid reputation as a premier hardware/software developer largely comes from the real world solutions that they have supplied the professional world, from designers and photographers to educators and cancer researchers. Apple has always been an inviting environment for people who create. It is what kept them alive throughout the 90s, and it shouldn't be understated that it is a huge part of their legacy. If they axe this division, they will lose more in terms of image than revenue.
It's good that Steve was looking at every option, and it's good that he thought twice.
It's good that Steve was looking at every option, and it's good that he thought twice.