they should have combined all the lines and made one line and then release multiple products from that line, just what samsung is doing with their galaxy line, it would have resulted in much higher sales and media attention.
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Steve Jobs Once Considered Killing Apple's Pro Products
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That looks cool! I love this kind of thing and I will try it.
But I wouldn't necessarily anoint it the next great easy software development platform. It might be, but so many of these things lack the depth to be useful much past the included templates.
I think where these kinds of development environments are successful is where they make something that is conceptually easy or intuitive also technically easy to achieve. And it need to be applicable to a wide area of problems. This is not easy to do... the environment needs to have a gentle learning curve and yet be quite deep and flexible.
And in the end, I think there will always be areas in a give software development project that are not conceptually easy or intuitive. Even the best tool/API/SDK cannot make that easy.
Wiring GPU via TB is, at best, naive- if one were going to wire external GPU then you'd want external PCIe, but I'm guessing Apple can't make much money out of ePCIe... You made a comment about the bandwidth, with GPU performance matters, of which "bandwidth" is a mere component. "Bandwidth" of a GPU is meaningless in itself- no matter what the speed limit is on a road, there's only so fast that you can pedal your bicycle... What Apple is doing with the iBin is stopping you from getting off the bicycle they provide and getting onto something better/different...
I've taken the marketing materials and dissected them - based on that, it looks like the iBin is just a "box" with expensive tech in it, and not a "pro" machine by any means...
There are plenty of tales of people drowning in floods while "optimistically" waiting at the top of their houses for their God to save them and refusing help from mere mortals...
Tell me something newYes, Jobs was a good salesmen.
No, he was a perfect visionary. The iPod click wheel interface has been shown to many CEO's before Jobs and he was the one who actually realised that one could build an amazing music player around that interface. That's even more important than actually inventing the interface. There are millions of people inventing amazing stuff every day in the tech world. It takes someone like Jobs to look at what others are doing and building the next big thing in tech using other peoples ideas. The biggest genius is the one which can use other people's ideas, not the one which finds great ideas itself. The second kind is much more common.
not right now, no.. it's more of a language barrier issue than anything else.. all of computing so far is pretty much humans inventing languages for the computer then requiring other people to learn these languages..
computers though, they have the capacity (again, not yet as far as i can see) to much more effectively/quickly learn our languages and thoughts..
when that starts happening, we will truly begin to see some insane advances in things like project speed and what not.. a zillion times more work efficiency than ,say, adding another cpu to your workstation.
Uhm, Thunderbolt is PCIe but regardless of that, the bandwidth discussion is a follow up on what was said by another poster where Thunderbolt and GPUs was used as an example. You continue to hang on to my reply out of context. We will all know this fall I guess, no harm done.
You may have dissected them but you can not add any information that is not there, you are analyzing a fuzzy image. The last paragraph is just silly, I base what I said on available material and what I have seen, just like you I assume. But unlike you I have an optimistic outlook, so what, your "doomsday" predictions doesn't make you more rational.
It's small for small projects. Is used for tweaking WoW characters and as the development environment for TI N Spire calculators. Might be a replacement for other scripted languages in some circumstance.
There isn't much in the way of programming on the iPad, so that's the main attraction for me, something to play with.
Agreed there are few who have that type of foresight. real easy to take that for granted tho since hindsight is 20/20
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This proves nothing. Other than the fact that Steve Jobs sat down and had conversations with other people to consider what's best for the future of his company, you know like any CEO.
No it's not- and even Apple documentation shows that. There is a "thunderbolt controller" (which is PCIe GEN2) between the PCIe and a thunderbolt device. You need a thunderbolt controller on each end. The story is entirely different with ePCIe, which is a direct link without any form of intermeddling...
I am aware of this, yes there is a controller but that is an implementation detail. Thunderbolt carries PCIe and DisplayPort.
Or perhaps it's an example of a user who sees the value of internal expansion, without the need for external, dust bunny-gathering houses.
Tru Dat! I would be able to plug my two eSATA/USB3/FW800 boxes in + wired MS mouse + wired Apple keyboard + Sandisk card reader + Epson photo printer + HP Laserjet printer + iPhone all into the TC Mac Pro at the same time.
And those four 4TB hard drives + Blu-ray OD that live my my MP will easily mount to all of the TC MP's SATA ports.
It's unlimited!
If we could afford CATIA, do you think we would have Solidworks licenses?
And no, 100,000 parts is not a big assembly. We are a small business with 16 designers. The product is neither large nor complex.
I have many problems with trying to convince design professionals that they do not need a Quadro card for FEA. The primary one is that work is near a river and I'm not a very good swimmer.
It's not- one controller multiplexes PCIe onto TB, the other one demultiplexes it- one signal is encoded in another - not a "mere" implementation detail.
Ethernet can carry IP, doesn't mean ethernet is IP!..
Sacrifices yes. A laptop is not a desktop.
But Apple makes no pro laptop at all, full stop.
And their upcoming "pro" desktop is a farce.
Which is their prerogative, of course. Louis Vuitton doesn't make a pro laptop, and neither does OLPC.
I'm just saying that the fanboy community should stop worrying about whether Apple might be considering ditching the pro market. The truth is that they did it many, many years ago.
Of course it is, and from an end user perspective, absolutely. It does more than multiplexing, stereo audio streams often have multiplexed L/R channels for example.
Lame example, try to use IP without ethernet or equivalent link layer.
Well, IP can carry ethernet, doesn't mean that IP is ethernet.
Stop being obtuse - the original point was that using ePCIe is much better than having TB for true expansion and upgradability (especially that on the Host side you're downgrading PCIe to GEN2 because PCIe GEN3 uses entirely different signalling which TB v2 can't multiplex onto TB lanes btw!).
I can take PCIe, encode the signal into any form I like (even IP to transmit across the globe) then decode it on the other end, and just because my thing in the middle can carry PCIe signals doesn't make it PCIe.
Wrong, ethernet can carry IP.
What is the current ePCIe spec? All I found pointed to 250MB/s per lane, and nothing specific about it at PCI-SIG.
Yes, someone can do that but unless the transport is specifically made to carry such a signal it would be a stretch. What you get at the host end and the device is PCIe, which means that PCIe peripherals in devices sees nothing but PCIe.
hmm.
are you saying that a big box which can house hard drives will collect less dust than a small box that can house drives?
i haven't used the new computer yet but as far as i can gather, it will collect less dust than the old model.. probably a lot less- even if you have a separate hd enclosure as well
i think it's important to point out (well, it's something that should be completely obvious but i guess it needs highlighted) that internal expansion in no way means free expansion.. you're both paying for it as well as providing space and an enclosure etc.. on most levels, there's absolutely zero difference between putting a hard drive inside a box and putting a hard drive inside a box.
They should have just sold cloud computing power alongside iMacs for rendering, etc. It would be better than a Mac Pro since you could basically scale up your computing needs to have instant results.
That wouldn't please the consumer cowboy who thinks he is pro for running a pirate copy of Photoshop, but whatever.
That wouldn't please the consumer cowboy who thinks he is pro for running a pirate copy of Photoshop, but whatever.
Wrong
There's no separate spec because it's a direct plug onto the bus... You only need to change PHY to cable instead of PCB, and you can have PCIe GEN3 like this enclosure
Molex also sell connectors and cables to wire ePCIe...
I'm having difficulty comprehending an assembly with 100,000 parts that is neither large nor complex. Lots of rivets I suppose.
Enjoy.
that's the rub.. you're there to support them- not tell them your opinions on the ishtray..
i mean, you're describing a place which has 16 seats of windows software running on macs.. if they're loonies for doing that or whatever idea you have of them, so what.. either quit working for them or get their stuff running as good as you can.. or, at least be more optimistic about possible solutions.
then at night or on your own time&dollar, make fun it with your geekbench buddies and post on the interwebs about it with your X20Z..
and look man, i'm not trying to tell you how to work or what to think etc.. i'm sympathizing with the guy writing your pay check and talking from that perspective.. i'm sure he'd be saying what i'm saying only with a much more angry tone if he heard you talking like this.
You're funny, what do you think carry the IP packet that contain the Ethernetframes you intend on sending over IP?
Yes there is, PCI-SIG made one in 2007.