Why exactly do you like Flash so much? Is it the bugginess? Is it how bloaty it has become? Or is it because you enjoy frequent browser crashes across all platforms?
I'd like to know.
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Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter
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Why exactly do you like Flash so much? Is it the bugginess? Is it how bloaty it has become? Or is it because you enjoy frequent browser crashes across all platforms?
I'd like to know.
Most consumers would Not know Flash caused the crash making them think Apple put out crappy product. That is a huge risk for Apple
Because he hates Steve for dropping PowerPC support when he invested thousands of dollars of his own money in PPC hardware *just* before the transition to Intel.
Which returns us to the oft-made and oft-ignored point: the iP* is NOT A FULL COMPUTER REPLACEMENT. Yes it won't do everything - it's not supposed to.
(rhetorically...)
Do you really want to plug a USB hard drive into a super-portable device with no expression of a file system?
Do you really want to run mouse-focused long-use applications on a mouseless flippant-use device?
Most of the iPad complaints I've seen amount to a blind reaction of condemning the new paradigm because it isn't the old one. If you want Flash, a mouse, and wired mass storage, then get a standard computer - this new-paradigm product isn't for you.
When something does not work correctly or crashes on a phone, the average user isn't savvy enough to differentiate between an app or plugin like Flash and the phone device itself being the problem. Many of us here in this forum might take the time to experiment and deduce the root cause of the problem, but most folks won't. To them it just looks like the device itself is a "piece of $#!t." Why would Apple knowingly allow a piece of software to reflect badly on their product?
Good luck with that 24/7 Steve Jobs voice in your head steering your car for you.
I like products that just plain work. That's why I originally preferred a Mac over a PC. That's why I'll definitely consider an Android phone the next time around.
Steve Jobs' stubbornness and determination to neuter every new Apple iDevice and force everyone into submission annoys me.
Steve Jobs has become exactly what he used to rail against...
Bill Gates, who's now an unemployed humanitarian!
Go figure. Talk about IRONY! LOL
If Flash was used to create iPhone apps, it was most certainly used as middleware aid. Flash exporting iPhone apps is not a platform replacement any more than a Unity app is. Regardless, my issue is not with flash exported apps.
Steve directly called out 3rd party multiplatform/middleware tools as being bad for development. In games, the opposite is true.
Right now, a lot of middleware devs are nervous and angry - they can't get straight answers from Apple going on a few weeks now. Steve's letter really, really made a lot of people even more angry.
Plenty of game/app makers have stopped development right now while they wait. The indie devs have been hit the hardest. hopefully it will work out for the best, but ultimately, the iPhone OS is not the platform developers thought it was. Apple has made it clear that they may sweep the rug out from underneath you at any time.
I'm not even talking about adapting to new technologies, I mean overnight sweeping changes or vague rejections on the app store. The past few weeks have made people look at other platforms for a more predictable business model. Smaller developers, whom Apple claims to be supporting with iAd, now have to look at the amount of time and money they invest in developing an app. Games can take months. To have Apple effectively kill your project through TOS changes or a random rejection is a bitter pill to swallow.
I think Apple has a decent technical argument against Flash, but I have to say I still think it's a bit rich for Jobs to criticise lack of opennes on the part of Adobe as a reason to avoid Flash. For better or worse, Apple is an industry leader in maintaining tight control over its hardware and software.
I heard Gizmodo obtained the original Open Letter (by a person who found it in a bathroom stall) and Steve had to write it again!
Superb.
Shame on Jobs for spreading misinformation.
For video, Flash and H.264 are not interchangeable. Flash is not a video codec. Flash provides a video player as an SWF or SWF object that delivers or streams various video formats, including H.264.
I can't believe he doesn't understand this. It makes all his comments suspect, and the Apple fan-boy Koolaid drinking population sucks it down.
For video, Flash and H.264 are not interchangeable. Flash is not a video codec. Flash provides a video player as an SWF or SWF object that delivers or streams various video formats, including H.264.
I can't believe he doesn't understand this. It makes all his comments suspect, and the Apple fan-boy Koolaid drinking population sucks it down.
That is certainly a very realistic way to look at his--and in the real world of the average iPhone user, that would happen.
Who said I even liked Flash?
I already said Steve Jobs was half right on his criticisms of Flash.
The fact is it's a standard and I like my iDevices to just work.
To me the iPad is the equivalent of a defective product.
I doubt I could even get the local weather radar scan on it!
It's clear to me that Adobe could create a better version of Flash for Macs & iDevices, but it's also clear to me that Adobe & Steve Jobs are in a pissing match at the expense of the average consumer.
And that's the part I MOST don't like because consumers lose.
What's so wrong about Apple not wanting a <crappy> product on its machine(s)? You would do the same thing. If you were creating a device, you wouldn't say hey --- let's put that terrible buggy program on it that will surely cause problems!
You know, it's Apple's decision -- it's their product -- not yours.
Microsoft has the same right. So does Dell.
How do people not understand this?
major ouch adobe!@!
id love to see the CEO of adobe's response to this one....
Well, but what could he really say? Flash really sucks.
Maybe This is Why...
I have to wonder if ONE of the reasons the awards are mobile only is because there haven't been any really GREAT apps for the Mac in the past year and Apple wanted to avoid having Adobe win by default just because they finally ported CS5 to Cocoa.
Perhaps my thinking is just wrong, but I did wonder...
Indeed, there are only awards for mobile apps, no longer best mac app!
I have to wonder if ONE of the reasons the awards are mobile only is because there haven't been any really GREAT apps for the Mac in the past year and Apple wanted to avoid having Adobe win by default just because they finally ported CS5 to Cocoa.
Perhaps my thinking is just wrong, but I did wonder...
How is this true -- the average consumer will watch the video, and won't be thinking "oh, wow, look how good/bad the Flash is..." or "man, I wish I had flash on this thing."
If you push for better coding languages and software, how does that make the <average> consumer lose?
H.264 is not an open standard, for example. Notice Steve's subtle wording: "Industry standard." Best not to point that out in the open letter, though.
Look, I can empathize with your POV, but allowing just the option would greatly hinder widespread adoption of HTML5. If people were given that choice, despite the superiority(?) of HTML5, would devs even bother with HTML5? It may rot on the vine. Betamax was a superior format but lost out to VHS (not the greatest analogy, I realize). You're getting the poop-end of the stick, I know. But it's not like you don't have other options.
There's more going on here than what was addressed in Steve's letter - but make no mistake the Flash platform is a direct competitor to not only the iPhone OS but also the new iAd platform. The sooner and harder Apple can step on Flash's throat, the better for them.
Well, it's an open standard by any other name, it's not run by one company for example as Steve points out in his letter.