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Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter
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HAHA!
It's already Steve Jobs and Apple's fault that Macs didn't have h.264 hardware accelerated support for the last several years while Windows PCs did!
Maybe Apple should just give out free paranoid schizophrenia medication with each Flash-enabled iPhone or iPad?
Although you'll probably need it more after trying out all those BETA HTML 5 websites Steve Jobs touts!
Then don't watch soo much porn...
Whoa, hold on. Be reasonable here!
The threads here are in no way a sample of the general public.
Well then they just changed it in the last month or so.
+1
Next...
And keep in mind, Youtube has been at the forefront of HTML 5 development compared to most other websites and they're just getting it right.
The vast majority of websites most people go to (fanboys excepted) are not HTML 5 and won't be any time soon.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
If so, making that "crappy product" available to those interested would dramatically support Apple's points, without the public "p*ssing content"). Instead, by not even making it possible for users to see for themselves, it casts Apple as arbitrarily deciding for us- all of us.
I included the Netbook reference to address the recurring theme of "there is no such thing as Flash running on any mobile device."
And that last bit is the crux of it: some consumers want an iDevice from Apple, but they also want the OPTION for it to do something they want it to do. It's not impossible to do this particular thing, but only forbidden because Apple has chosen to lock it out.
As an owner of a lot of Apple stuff myself, I really would like an iPad, but I use enough interactive Flash (not just Flash video) content to see that it is too limiting to try to go without it (and/or go without it until an HTML5 + H.264 + javascript version arrives). A lot of this content is e-learning content, conceptually ideal for a device like the iPad (think ebooks with lots of interactive features). Sure, such content could get redone in HTML5 + H.264 + javascript, but there are NOT many tools to drive those conversions now (often the answer seems to be hand code it from scratch), and the latter only works on a small subset of browsers and platforms (which doesn't create the incentive to spend the money to code the alternate versions from scratch).
So, the choices are do without, change to a standard that doesn't deliver much for me now (and probably for a few years at least), or choose something else that is capable of serving up the best of the Internet today. If that last option is accompanied by a desire for Mac OS X, it pretty much pushes the call to a laptop or desktop. That works for me, but I still wish I could embrace an iDevice and have it cover this one base as well.
You know, if you're gonna rail against something, you'd best make sure you're up to date on your facts.
Fixed that for ya!
You know, if you're gonna rail against something, you'd best make sure you're up to date on your facts.
I was wondering why he sounded several months out of date. Now we know.
HAHA!
It's already Steve Jobs and Apple's fault that Macs didn't have h.264 hardware accelerated support for the last several years while Windows PCs did!
Maybe Apple should just give out free paranoid schizophrenia medication with each Flash-enabled iPhone or iPad?
Although you'll probably need it more after trying out all those BETA HTML 5 websites Steve Jobs touts!
Not sure why you quoted me?
You know, if you're gonna rail against something, you'd best make sure you're up to date on your facts.
Hey, that's just ONE WEBSITE! HAHA!
Like I said...
HTML 5 +1
FLASH +155,000! LOL
This is funny....
How do you not like the apps when you don`t buy the flash app to try it??
It's a good thing that Adobe has explicitly said that they are not going to do that now or anytime in the future. It would be the stupidest move any CEO would do ever - abandon have your customers - yea right.
Well then they just changed it in the last month or so.
+1
Next...
And keep in mind, Youtube has been at the forefront of HTML 5 development compared to most other websites and they're just getting it right.
The vast majority of websites most people go to (fanboys excepted) are not HTML 5 and won't be any time soon.
Thats fine if they want to live in the past I want the future. Good luck with that mullet
Well then they just changed it in the last month or so.
+1
Next...
And keep in mind, Youtube has been at the forefront of HTML 5 development compared to most other websites and they're just getting it right.
The vast majority of websites most people go to (fanboys excepted) are not HTML 5 and won't be any time soon.
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/facebook_video_moves_to_html5_from_flash/
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
That's just fine. I do not argue for the quality of Flash, just the option for each owner of hardware to use it if they wish to do so. If the option existed, you could hate that "pig" all you want and not use that option. But I could use that option and deal with the poor quality of that "pig". At least I could still get to use features that are otherwise locked out.
More simply, in my own case, I don't care so much about the quality of some video, but there is certain functionality (particularly interactive elearning only available via Flash) that matters. If that skips some video playback frames, it doesn't really effect the quality of the e-learning experience. However, if it is locked out- because Apple- or YOU- don't like it, it's impossible for someone like me to even have the experience at all.
There are hundreds (thousands?) of apps in the app store that I could call "pigs" too. But I don't make a case that they should be removed because I personally don't like them. Perhaps you do like them, and good for you to be able to access and use them. This is not really different from that.
Even without Flash many modern websites use navigation menus that require hovering which as of now is also mouse driven. :hover is a CSS2 property. Either this is more proof Jobs has completely left Mac in his rear view mirror or he intends to make the entire internet bow to his vision of the web.
The problem is, other platforms will be able to see the internet that us iphone users cannot see. I visit 3 sites a day that contain flash, one that is completely flash driven. I have to wait untill I get home. I know these sites will not change to HTML5 at least for now. But in saying that I want to see them now on the go, and not wait for them to change to HTML5 in 1/2/3 years time.
I am NOT getting the full experience of the web with my iphone.
just found this pic on another forum... enjoy
I am NOT getting the full experience of the web with my iphone.
just found this pic on another forum... enjoy
more RDF from Jobs
No new information here - just Steve pushing "reset" on the RDF. This is direct response to the growing thread from Android as noted in a recent study.
Flash 10.1 is built from the ground up for mobile use. Steve's arguments are only valid for pre-version 10 Flash. Flash 10.1 will change the game. He knows it and in the mean time is trying to play the field best he can...
No new information here - just Steve pushing "reset" on the RDF. This is direct response to the growing thread from Android as noted in a recent study.
Flash 10.1 is built from the ground up for mobile use. Steve's arguments are only valid for pre-version 10 Flash. Flash 10.1 will change the game. He knows it and in the mean time is trying to play the field best he can...