And BTW, does tossing out the word "kool-aid" somehow magically give one the upper hand in discussions around here?
It's a very powerful word a long with "fanboy" ... so powerful it can win you an argument in one sentence.
And BTW, does tossing out the word "kool-aid" somehow magically give one the upper hand in discussions around here?
Yes, very few people use objective C outside of apple platforms. It's a shame, really - I programmed C++ for years - millions of lines of it. I learned Objective C only a few years ago, but now I greatly prefer it.
C# is practically dead outside Windows...
There are a few Mono and GNUStep projects out there. But the quality is crap and decent projects are as rare as naturally found flawless diamonds.
That's irrelevant.
I agree with Steve. The industry really needs to be moving away from Flash and he is giving it a subtle push in that direction. People have really misunderstood what the argument is all about. The web is completely viable in a world without Flash which is a proprietary free web plugin mostly used for web advertising. You do not need it for video, you do not need it for games. It is simply a free browser plugin. People don't normally chose to use it but very often it gets preinstalled by the pc manufacturers. Also since alot of websites have relied on ad banners to make money over the last several years, they appear to be 'broken' when flash is not installed on the browser. It is almost like choosing to watch commercials or choosing to have a root canal. Its not exactly pleasurable and you probably wouldn't do it if you didn't have to. And with HTML 5, we are closer to this. If you argue that you want choice, you should be choosing to use HTML 5 whenever possible.
This is simply awesome!
The best HTML5 demos on iPad YOU have ever seen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmbZkqORX4
The mind blower to say at least!
THIS IS THE FUTURE - FLASH IS DEAD!
I'd rather have a broken flash than having a HTML5 Ad.
Are you confusing "the future" and "the present" now?
Why?
because obstrusive ads (videos) automatically gain your attention.
So your reason for preferring flash is because it is more annoying and attracts attention. Do you make a living with annoying flash ads.
Because otherwise that is a fairly bizarre reason.
Flash adverts just don't attract my attention. Part of my earnings come from the advertisement industry.
Well, flash advertiser with a clear bias like that, I think I safely ignore your input to the discussion.
Well, flash advertiser with a clear bias like that, I think I safely ignore your input to the discussion.
I didn't finish - as a publisher. My users seem not to have any issues with the ads, even Flash ones.
PeterQVenkman said:Finally, an honest, realistic, and knowledgeable stance on Steve's open letter to those who drink his kool-aid. And it won't get any media traction, despite this guy being totally right.
I highly doubt Jon Gruber is going to cover that post unless he incorrectly disagrees with it. He's basically just a bullhorn for Steve Jobs now.
Interesting.
It's a well thought out, very well cohesive document that clearly states apple's position and why. Too bad it took them this long to actually get this going, it probably would cause less angst, especially after Job's off the cuff remark about adobe being lazy.
There's only one browser that has anything resembling HTML 5.0 support: Google Chrome 4.x and later. And it does work: you need it to run Google Wave.
because obstrusive ads (videos) automatically gain your attention.
The question was why do you prefer broken flash to having an html5 ad? Both can be equally obtrusive or unobtrusive.
Can't block html5. (yet)
Perhaps because they do as I do and block flash (you have know way of knowing because flashblock still loads the content, it just hides it).
Perhaps I should have guessed from your annoying multi-color sig that you were a flash advertiser. Anyway sick of seeing your annoying sig, so to ignore you go, blocked, just like I block annoying flash.
Lemme guess - you also don't want to pay for content either. Ad supported sites provide the content that you consume, the least you could do is give them the courtesy of counting you in as an ad impression, even if you don't click-thru. Do you also use cracked software?
Just like Xcode does....but more importantly when you use modern development tools (like Visual Studio) they provide instant information about all object methods and their parameters. They even auto-complete the stuff you type![]()
Perhaps because they do as I do and block flash (you have know way of knowing because flashblock still loads the content, it just hides it).
Perhaps I should have guessed from your annoying multi-color sig that you were a flash advertiser. Anyway sick of seeing your annoying sig, so to ignore you go, blocked, just like I block annoying flash.
The question was why do you prefer broken flash to having an html5 ad? Both can be equally obtrusive or unobtrusive.
Can't block html5. (yet)
Luckily, html5 ads aren't very popular yet, so we have some time for blocking tools can be developed. Theoretically, we should have much better control over html5 content than we do with Flash content.
But that doesn't seem to be ct2k7's point.