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Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter

Oh Boy!!

Patiently awaiting a shot back from Lee Brimelow.
www.theflashblog.com

While i think that HTML5/CSS3 is wonderful for web design, there are just certain things that these standards will never be able to achieve.

Flash/AS3 gives developers the ability to create animated gui's that just cannot be created with simple html/css/js. While these flash created websites are mostly advanced artistic examples made for the full web, and not mobile, there just isn't the capability to do them outside of flash.

Just take a look at any website featured on www.thefwa.com and tell me that a recreation of these sites will look the same without flash. You would be kidding yourself.
 
JPark said:
It may or may not be business-driven. If it is that doesn't make Jobs an idiot, it makes him a businessman and a great showman, both of which we already knew.
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It makes him an idiot because he disguises his true intentions and reasons so badly and tries to sell such a ******** to the user. Should be better honest.

Clearly, Steve Jobs no good.
 
Nuvi said:
Reality distortion field at full effect... My thoughts on HTML5; there are no solid pro tools for highly interactive content creation. No tools = no go. Create professional quality tools Stevo and then you can tell its the way to go. If not then please stop talking nonsense.
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I think he's asking Adobe to make those tools. And really, Adobe should be. They are falling down on this one.

JediZenMaster said:
It wouldn't work out like that. There would be alot of customers who would blame apple for problems with flash if the implemented it like that. Applecare would be flooded with support calls due to battery life issues.

So why would apple do something to ruin the experience for the majority of their customers by apeasing the want's of a few?
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Mac users don't blame Apple right now for the state of the plugin on their computers. Apple has waged a very successful PR campaign to make sure the faithful blame Adobe (often times rightly so)
 
It's simple math...

Android + flash = happy users

iPhone, iPad - flash + ? = ?? users

I have purchased 28 Mac's, 4 iPads, 12 iPhone's for family and business...

While Mr. Jobs letter makes legitimate points, as users, we simply need flash or a replacement for flash. Not letters... I am tired of seeing "This device will not play"...
 
At this moment, AAPL is up more than 2% and ADBE is down nearly 2%. It would seem Wall Street agrees with Steve! :)

Mark
 
chairguru22 said:
The key here is what Steve said was most important, Adobe wants it to be a cross-platform development tool and this would hinder developers since they would be at the mercy of a third-party's advancements.
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Yeah, so much better to be at mercy of Apple. Develop an app and for some strange reason Apple decides to say no. With third party tools you could still publish it on other platforms.
 
JediZenMaster said:
It wouldn't work out like that. There would be alot of customers who would blame apple for problems with flash if the implemented it like that. Applecare would be flooded with support calls due to battery life issues.

So why would apple do something to ruin the experience for the majority of their customers by apeasing the want's of a few?
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Oh please. Like Applecare is flooded with support calls now for Flash running on all of Apples other computing hardware?

Make the warning pop up right up front- before the user can watch the first bit of Flash. Right there, you are telling every user that if their iDevice starts acting flakey/slow/etc, it's probably because of this Flash thing. Make it just as easy to turn off/remove Flash for those users. Then, if Adobe delivers a lemon, it confirms what many Apple fans keep saying about Flash, and the user can turn it off/remove it and try to do whatever they were trying to do again. If that solves the "problem", no need to call Applecare; they solved it themselves.

In turn, every time Applecare gets a call from an iDevice user, the first question they could ask is: "do you have Flash installed/turned on on your iDevice?"

In both scenarios, Apple gets to continue it's case toward a post-Flash future without limiting the experience of web users that might want/need access to Flash in the present. And Apple looks really good for bending on the stance in support of its customers, and the "open" choice of its customers to use computing devices as they see fit.
 
Reed Rothchild said:
Sorry but he's telling porkies here. It's a business decision. If Adobe released a flash plugin that used negative energy and actually charged the ipad/iphone while running it would still be blocked.
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In all likelihood true, but a well-justified decision as doing so would only address a couple of his issues, and not touch up on the most vital issue he outlined. Apple has everything to gain by locking Flash out, and so does every Apple customer outside the handful who would prefer a wide selection of pornographic videos over their battery life.
 
Nuvi said:
Reality distortion field at full effect..
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Indeed but it is a well organized and thought out letter.

Still some of the arguments have some holes in it. Like the whole flash was created for the PC argument. The same can be said for html and the like.

From what I've been reading the "haters" are not really hating this or having major conniptions about this open letter but rather knocking it on a number of points, like apple being such a closed and proprietary company trying to argue they're actually an open company and adobe isn't an open company, blah blah blah.

Personally, I think this was needed and needed sooner then now. This does more state Apple's position then to have Jobs say adobe is lazy.
 
ericmooreart said:
Such lame excuses Jobs. Everyone knows you don't want Flash because it would kill your app store profits. Just man up and admit it. You'll be better for it.
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Clown Boy said:
Steve Jobs is FAIL
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vkramer said:
Patiently awaiting a shot back from Lee Brimelow.
www.theflashblog.com

While i think that HTML5/CSS3 is wonderful for web design, there are just certain things that these standards will never be able to achieve.

Flash/AS3 gives developers the ability to create animated gui's that just cannot be created with simple html/css/js. While these flash created websites are mostly advanced artistic examples made for the full web, and not mobile, there just isn't the capability to do them outside of flash.

Just take a look at any website featured on www.thefwa.com and tell me that a recreation of these sites will look the same without flash. You would be kidding yourself.
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Bachi85 said:
It makes him an idiot because he disguises his true intentions and reasons so badly and tries to sell such a ******** to the user. Should be better honest.

Clearly, Steve Jobs no good.
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interesting....

all of this negative posts were left by users deemed as "member" or below.

troll-much?
 
Steve's statements were very well thought out, logical and presented in a way that even main-stream media reporters should be able to understand the facts.

I do not think that Steve wrote this piece for Apple users (since many if not most of us already agree with his point on this issue), likewise, I don't think he wrote it for others in the technology industry. This piece was written to provide those in the main-stream media, (who are not technically savvy) who have been assisting Adobe in perpetrating their "Apple is picking on me unfairly" smear campaign, another view of the situation that may cause them to, at a minimum, stop supporting the Adobe media message.
 
Great article. I'm glad SJ took the time out to explain and give Adobe a little ass kicking in the process. :)
 
iOrlando said:
interesting....

all of this negative posts were left by users deemed as "member" or below.

troll-much?
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Looks more like I have a life and you DONT.

I just registered because of the missing update on the MBPs. I use Macs since years, don't have to comment every **** and cheer for every word coming from your master Steve.
 
Small White Car said:
The iPhone is under Apple's control and Apple's goal is to make the iPhone better than other smart-phones. Letting Flash in would put the iPhone under Adobe's control and Adobe's goal is to make all smart-phones the same. That's what's good for Adobe.
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So all Macs are under Adobe's control- not Apples- because they have Flash players on them? Or Macs can't be better than other Flash-enabled computers because Adobe Flash is on them- and thus they are the same as other computers?
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
In both scenarios, Apple gets to continue it's case toward a post-Flash future without limiting the experience of web users that might want/need access to Flash in the present. And Apple looks really good for bending on the stance in support of its customers, and the "open" choice of its customers to use computing devices as they see fit.
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And once again your trying to speak for all iphone users. You seem to think flash is something that EVERYONE wants. When it's something that some people want. And some people don't. I find it funny that people think just because someone on MACRUMORS wants it. That it means that masses of people want it. This forum does not represent a giant swath of users.

The Average consumer probarly doesn't want flash because they are happy downloading apps and happy with the robust experience they have now. I don't care about flash either. And why would apple want to allow themselves to be at the mercy of adobe? I know to make YOU happy. Because What YOU want is what every iphone user wants? I think not
 
I say thumbs up to SJ for stating his position. He didn't have to but he has explained his reasons fully. Personally I think Adobe should get over it and concentrate on making tools for people working in HTML5 etc
 
Great to hear Apple is so keen to leave the past behind. That explains the state of the art graphics cards and Bluray players in all its Macs. Oh, wait...

There are legitimate business AND technological reasons for their opposition to Flash, and no doubt Apple's decision is a little of both.

As a developer, I'll hop on whatever platform/developer environment is available, I have no choice. But I am worried that Flash will be squeezed out before any credible alternative is available. I'm not talking about Flash banner adverts or online video, but large-scale, multi-user RIAs. Every time I think of trying to develop our current products without an IDE like Flash (no tweens, no debugger?), with no Flash Media Interactive Server... a little kitten dies. :)
 
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