Are you serious? I could build that animations and all in XHTML, CSS and jQuery right now. And HTML5 is even more powerful. There's versions of Quake 2 running IN HTML5!!!
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Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter
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Are you serious? I could build that animations and all in XHTML, CSS and jQuery right now. And HTML5 is even more powerful. There's versions of Quake 2 running IN HTML5!!!
major ouch adobe!@!
id love to see the CEO of adobe's response to this one....
While not the CEO of adobe, i believe a certain blogger has already responded with a "go screw yourself Apple"
Glad to see this argument being settled with playground talk.
Take this point a little further, the people that read these forums are far from the majority of Apple/Mac users. The majority doesn't understand or care about Flash. All they would experience are slowdowns and crashes, and to them that's Apples fault.
So is this business? Yes, it's business by improving user experience (for the majority)
I like this quote. It sums up everything perfectly.
The gist of the comments over at Engadget seems to be "Apple complaining about not being open and proprietary? They're one to talk!" but Steve is clearly talking about the WEB being open, not platforms and apps.
Personally I have always felt that Flash apps were clunky and unnecessary, and only very recently have they really become so prolific on the web (right around when YouTube, Vimeo, etc. started taking off). Even back then, I always hated the fact that videos had to be encoded in proprietary formats for use on the web (to be honest, my preference at the time would have been for RealPlayer
). So even well before this whole Apple-Adobe thing, I already had a bad taste in my mouth.That is a false idea. Everything that is sold has an "intended use". Just becuase you can do something does not mean that's what it was intended to do.
You're free to do whatever you want with your iphone and ipad, I don't know why people think that you can't, but understand what you're buying first and what it's intended use is before you buy it.
If it were in Flash, I would not be able to see it.
Steve makes reference to a "painful experience" regarding third party tools. Does anybody know SPECIFICALLY what he is referring to?
I suspect something like Code Warrior.
Rocketman
Steve makes reference to a "painful experience" regarding third party tools. Does anybody know SPECIFICALLY what he is referring to?
I suspect something like Code Warrior.
Rocketman
That's Adobe's biggest failure so far, I think. Why aren't THEY bragging about their tools for doing this? Steve LOVES to brag about how much better his new thing is than his old thing. Adobe should be the same way but they're not. They should be talking about how their awesome new HTML-creating software will totally replace Flash soon.
I understand that such a program can't exist yet since the standard isn't finallized, but Adobe should be talking about it and getting people excited for it and putting out viral marketing sites for it and all that stuff.
Adobe can easily be the king of HTML 5 creation (EASILY) in just a few years, but they insist on making it look like HTML 5 is their enemy. I know they don't think it is, but they're making it look that way. Stupid stupid stupid.
Yeah, I think it would be like going to a buffet and seeing a sign in front of certain dishes: "This food may not be fresh! It may make you sick! You've been warned!" Customers would eventually say "Well why don't you just NOT serve that dish then?"
When you are the head of a multi-billion dollar company then you can start judging.
All very well people going Jobs is a **** or doesn't know what he is doing or what not. Well he clearly does, look at Apples bank balance.
Flashes era is over. I don't miss Flash on my iPhone and never will.
Adobe needs to work on HTML 5 and H264.
Well.... if I DO NOT LIKE THE FLASH APPLICATION I DO NOT BUY IT.
So, why Flash is running on my Mac Pro then? if Flash doesn't work then Steve... start by not allowing Flash support in the next revision of OS X!
Steve Jobs is behaving like Hugo Chavez, and I know because I am Venezuelan.
Good reason to keep Flash out
If Flash drains the battery and causes the iPhone to crash then I think it would be stupid to allow it on iPhone... just imagine you are in a emergency situation and your iPhone crashes or your battery dies much sooner than expected.
If you are going to sue someone it will be Apple and not Adobe. If you absolutely want Flash then go ahead and jailbreak your phone but do it at your own risk.
If Flash drains the battery and causes the iPhone to crash then I think it would be stupid to allow it on iPhone... just imagine you are in a emergency situation and your iPhone crashes or your battery dies much sooner than expected.
If you are going to sue someone it will be Apple and not Adobe. If you absolutely want Flash then go ahead and jailbreak your phone but do it at your own risk.
Flash Website
Well...
Everyone is talkin' about Video but what about the millions of Flash based Websites and apps? How are they going to benefit from html 5 or other stuff ?? How are flash based websites gonne be "played" ?
I'm not a developer so maybe I'm missing something here ....fill me in please ??
Thanks.
Well...
Everyone is talkin' about Video but what about the millions of Flash based Websites and apps? How are they going to benefit from html 5 or other stuff ?? How are flash based websites gonne be "played" ?
I'm not a developer so maybe I'm missing something here ....fill me in please ??
Thanks.
The part I bolded is incorrect.
There is no evidence that the patent holders of H.264 will *ever* charge for it. The group in charge of the standard merely says that it will be free up to that point, at which time they will meet again and talk about whether it should still be free. They are just as likely to meet in 2015 and say "Well let's make it free for another ten years."
The only people who don't consider H.264 to be open are those that take the extreme EFF position on "open." Technically, yeah, there is a slight possibility that years in the future, H.264 will make some of the big corporations that use it pay some tiny fee for it's use. It is this unlikely yet tiny and real possibility that makes Mozilla not use it, even though ...
- There is no viable alternative that even comes close performance wise.
- It wouldn't affect end users at all if royalties were paid some day to the people that, you know developed it.
Jobs is an egotistical moron. A smart man would include Flash support until what he wanted was more widely accepted. But not that idiot. Nope, we get greeted with endless Update To The Latest Flash messages on our ipads touches and iPhones. Thanks Steve. You're a clown. Retire please and let someone else takeover. All you're doing now is turning Apple into the company everyone can't wait to see fail.
you're kidding yourself if you think that site couldn't be done without flash....
To those that want Flash, go out and buy a phone/tablet from a different manufacturer that uses it then. Nobody is stopping you. Meanwhile, I'm more than happy with my iPhone (and iPad) and I certainly couldn't care less about Flash. The faster Flash dies the better IMO.
Well your comparing OSX to the iPhone OS. Steve didn't say it doesn't work on the Mac pro or MBP. This is about the iphone. Research your facts better
Openness. Are you kidding me
. Apple is 99.9% proprietary. Try playing an itunes video on your xbox or playstation. Try buying a mac clone. Oh wait the company making it got sued by Apple. Try having Verizon as your iPhone carrier. Try running Final Cut on a PC. And H264 is not open source
I have a phone with Android 2.1. Where can I download Flash?
I can't. There are no happy users of Flash on Android, because there are NO USERS of Flash on Android yet. If Flash works beautifully when it comes out with Android 2.2, great. But there's zero evidence so far that it will, and a lot of reasons why Flash video and apps will likely be terrible on mobile platforms.
Because on a Mac there's less worry about battery life and stability.
Try this: find a YouTuber with hundreds of videos in favourites, and start watching through them. If your experience is anything like mine on my MacBook Pro, after watching a couple dozen Youtube videos, you'll start to notice the browser is getting slower and slower, and the laptop is heating up.
That's what I'm wondering. I've always thought and believed third party tools actually extend a platform, Steve is arguing the opposite with little evidence to back him up.