I've said it before, but today there are zero other smartphones that support the full version of Flash. Zero.
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Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter
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I don't see how you read an "everyone" into my comments at all. Just the opposite (and thus I agree) that only some people want access to Flash content on their iDevices. My feedback is that if the OPTION was available (not forbidden by Apple) those select individuals that are OK with burning their batteries faster, taking the security risks, crashing Safari "4 times a day" and so on could at least choose to do so on their own devices. All the other people that support "Flash is Dead", "Kill Adobe", etc could choose not to take the OPTION and keep their own devices "as is" (free of the capability of playing Flash).
This could work just like any other app download: those that want a particular app downloads it. And those that don't, don't. I'd love to be able to download the "optimized for Apple iDevice" Flash player for my own circumstances. But I don't want to force that player on all of my fellow iDevice users. Wouldn't it make sense if my fellow iDevice users who take the other side of this argument could agree not to force THEIR view of how things should be upon those people like me?
If it is available, most people will use it, even those who hate it. If people use Flash, others will develop sites with Flash. The only way to kill Flash off is to remove it from the most popular platforms. If a web developer knows many people will not be able to use his or her site if it is running Flash, that web developer will not use Flash. When Web developers stop using Flash, it will be dead.
No, Macs are under Adobe's "control" because of Photoshop and under Microsoft's "control" because of Word.
And I put "control" in quotes there because it really is very different. I'm only saying it because you asked...it's really not a big enough deal to mention if you hadn't brought itup. The "control" Adobe has over the Mac exists, but it's about 10% of the strength their control over a flash-iPhone would be.
The difference is the App store and the fact that how you get software for the iPhone is different than how you get it for the Mac. It would make a 3rd party layer on the iPhone much, much more important than it is on the Mac.
Basically, the Mac is different enough from the iPhone is so many ways that this comparison doesn't mean a whole lot.
Flash playback of a video crashed my Mac last night. Such a rare event I let the beach ball spin for almost 10 minutes before accepting reality and powering down. I really find flash video slow on PCs as well. I'm probably going to get the iPad in a week or so and then I will see how much I miss Flash. I suspect not much.
I can skip the flash games on web when I can buy 1,000 of App games for less than $5 each. (Well I better not buy them all even at that price!!!)
I can skip the flash games on web when I can buy 1,000 of App games for less than $5 each. (Well I better not buy them all even at that price!!!)
Openness. Are you kidding me. Apple is 99.9% proprietary. Try playing an itunes video on your xbox or playstation. Try buying a mac clone. Oh wait the company making it got sued by Apple. Try having Verizon as your iPhone carrier. Try running Final Cut on a PC. And H264 is not open source
Did you read the piece you quoted when you wrote that below the quote?
Let me help: "While Apple also offers proprietary products, it believes that all web standards should be open"
iTunes video and Apple hardware and apps aren't web standards. Apple is saying that if something is going to become a standard, it shouldn't be locked down to only one company that controls it. And they're right. And it's not just Flash, either. Why do you think products like OpenOffice exist?
the answer is simply that HTML5 isn't a replacement for Flash. for example, THIS is not possible with HTML5.
There is a beta version i think or is that Flash lite? It's so confusing because alot of people act like flash has been adopted by mobile devices and it really hasn't
Other than Flash lite for Symbian and Some type of Flash 10.1 Beta which works rudimentary at best on Certain android devices and WebOS devices no one else has access to it.
Sure, go right ahead and build this in jquery:
http://ecodazoo.com/
And there is a version of Quake 3 that runs significantly faster, cross-platform, with full networked gameplay, using a proprietary plugin.
http://www.quakelive.com/
Oh, and it's available now, not just as a video on youtube.
Openness. Are you kidding me
Try understanding the difference between computer applications and the web.
Once you get that you'll start to understand.
While I agree with almost the entire letter, this stuck out:
For example, although Mac OS X has been shipping for almost 10 years now, Adobe just adopted it fully (Cocoa) two weeks ago when they shipped CS5. Adobe was the last major third party developer to fully adopt Mac OS X.
It would be nice if Apple lived up to these standards. iTunes, and a handful of other apple apps are still carbon. It is also pathetic that Apple apps, especially the Pro products do not use multicores at all. Try exporting a movie from iMovie or rendering a timeline in Final Cut Pro, One-Core will be used. It sucks.
For example, although Mac OS X has been shipping for almost 10 years now, Adobe just adopted it fully (Cocoa) two weeks ago when they shipped CS5. Adobe was the last major third party developer to fully adopt Mac OS X.
It would be nice if Apple lived up to these standards. iTunes, and a handful of other apple apps are still carbon. It is also pathetic that Apple apps, especially the Pro products do not use multicores at all. Try exporting a movie from iMovie or rendering a timeline in Final Cut Pro, One-Core will be used. It sucks.
I agree...it's 2 closed-system companies fighting for who will control/dominate a device. Boo hoo. This happens all the time in the business world.
-Eric
+1Great article. I'm glad SJ took the time out to explain and give Adobe a little ass kicking in the process.
I'm ready for Flash to be floppy disks.
And I definitely agree about how relying on third party tools (especially cross-platform tools) can hinder progress of the platform and slow delivery of enhancements to users. It's a good point.
But who's fault is that? Is it Apple's fault that people choose to create things in flash? No one forced them to create that website that way. They chose to. The same way that Apple creates its products the way they want them done.
Same way that developer Decided to create the website in flash. Apple is decided not to allow flash on the iphone. Don't like it? Don't buy it simple as that
What that means actually is if Apple were to advance their iPhone, iPod, iPad but Adobe has not updated their Flash product to take advantage of the advancement, developers who use Flash will also not be able to take advantage.
Adobe is not inclined to update their Flash just for Apple's advancement since it is cross-platform. Adobe would likely wait for Apple's competitors to advance their products as well and then update their Flash so all platforms are equal.
In a nutshell. When Apple creates something new and exciting, it wants to allow their developers to immediately take advantage, not wait for a third-party to make a move.
iTunes is more than likely dead in the water since it does need to be ported to Windows.
Round Wood Pen into Square Iron Holes
Apple = Change
Adobe = Handset Makers = Record Labels = Book Distributors = Stagnation
If Apple didn't push for things to change, we would still be running around with clam-shell phones that had no apps with barely any cell coverage.
Apple dropped the floppy ... people moaned, but got over it
Apple is effectively dropping dvd ... people are moaning, but getting over it
Adapt or die people. It's fine to not agree with Apple choosing to protect it's brand by not allowing stuff on their devices. As for me? I like being able to use my phone all day without having to recharge because I watched a 2min facebook video in flash (which is now ipad compatible).
Apple = Change
Adobe = Handset Makers = Record Labels = Book Distributors = Stagnation
If Apple didn't push for things to change, we would still be running around with clam-shell phones that had no apps with barely any cell coverage.
Apple dropped the floppy ... people moaned, but got over it
Apple is effectively dropping dvd ... people are moaning, but getting over it
Adapt or die people. It's fine to not agree with Apple choosing to protect it's brand by not allowing stuff on their devices. As for me? I like being able to use my phone all day without having to recharge because I watched a 2min facebook video in flash (which is now ipad compatible).
