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More good news and a sign that Apple hasn't played out all of its cards with iPad.

This is good news from my perspective. I'm still convinced that the roll out of iPad was extremely limited and thus Apple has yet to reveal everything about this device and its plans.

As to magazines and news papers, I honestly don't see the iPad saving any of them as the ones in trouble are being rejected for other reasons. Many publications do fine with traditional magazine distribution, that because of the content that people find worth paying for.

Given that, those are the magazines I would love to see move to electronic distribution. It would mean being able to keep issues around without the clutter that traditional magazines have. You could keep issues for years with no dust build up! Along these lines I'm thinking about technical magazines or special interest magazines.

What we won't see is much success with magazines and newspapers offering up creative leftist publishing. Sadly the NYT is now in that group. People like to call it the paper of record but I suspect that was a term suitable a hundred years ago. Today it is often a waste of time to read the NYT or magazines like Newsweek and other weeklies. Being totally out of whack as far as balance goes is one thing, but what is far worst is that they are so out dated by the time you read them.

The tragedy in Haiti is a prime example of what modern media can offer up vs the lag of weeklies and newspapers. In many ways these forms of publishing are really antiquated and are not likely to see a revival. Sad news like this can often hit the web in minutes, with pics and video not long after. Of course this is drastic in the magnitude of the news but for lesser news peoples attention span has dwindled by the time the weeklies are out. Further a news paper will at best publish one or two pics, which is just about useless when there are thousands published to the web before the presses even start up. In effect the papers need to redefine what is journalism, and what it is to publish.

In the end I really don't see the iPad doing any good at all for these sorts of publications. It is the combo of poor management of editorial content, publishing lag, lack of supporting content and a lack of vision with respect to the future that is killing these publications. Competing with the new media is possible but that will require drastic reevaluation of what the news business is all about.

Dave
 
The thing I like about newspapers and magazines is the advertisements do not jump up and grab you covering over the article that you want to read.
The printed edition of the Los Angeles Times sometimes has peel-off ads stuck over the front page. Sometimes the front section has a half-width ad wrapped around it. The Sunday comic section that used to be loose is now folded within pages of ads. Even in print they are doing their best to puts ads between you and the content.
 
Reading

I am being overrun by books and magazines. I need an iPad or Kindle. I could have a Kindle by May, or the iPad by Nov. On a fixed income, so I have to be frugal.
 
Dinner w/ jobs? I bet that party redefined swank.

"intimate, family-style gathering"

That's a very big family

Ya if I got to have dinner with Steve Jobs neither him or I would be eating much because I would be picking his brain like CRAZY! :D

uh-oh... Direct exposure to the RDF... they're goners.

Haha! :p

The way these industries are struggling, many of them will be goners (i.e. out of business) if they don't do something. This may be the last lifeline to grab for some of them. Gannett (who owns Louisville's Courier-Journal) is seriously hemorrhaging right now, and has let go of legions of employees over the past few years just to stay in publication.

There is much truth to this! I honestly don't see anybody else that is truly poised to resurrect the industry. They are all just trying to imitate Apple. Nobody has the content and ecosystem in place between hardware and software like Apple does PERIOD!

Precisely why I get my news on the 'Net; it's what's happening now. Perhaps jaw04005's suggestion of app cost + ad revenue may be an acceptable alternative to the Web, where Flash still rules.

I can EASILY see the newspapers and magazines using different kinds of live update features! Don't worry. :cool:
 
Funny you should mention that publication.

I subscribe to Home Power magazine electronically. No paper.

I've been reading that publication for years and up until last week had many issues that I decided to give to the local library because they take up to much space. When I referred to technical publications above, that I would like to keep around this was one of a few on my mind. At the time that I dropped off my old issues at the library the stack was almost two feet high, that would just as well fit on a flash device.

I can't honesty say that I like to read magazines on electronic devices as my experience is limited to only a few. The content of Home Power however seems to be almost perfect for that sort of distribution. That is good meaty articles with lots of supporting docs (drawings, graphs and pics). Now that I'm getting older the ability to zoom in on such materials has paper beat.

Dave
 
I was already sold on the iPad even before it was released, but give me iPad versions of sfgate.com, orlandosentinel.com, Playgirl, GQ, and a couple of other sexy publications and I'm even happier! :cool:

I thought iPad will have a browser and therefore you will automatically have access to sfgate.com, orlandosentinel.com and other web sites. What else do you need?
 
The NYT - is it still being published?

who cares anyway
 
Jobs held a dinner meeting with 50 representatives

and no one asked him to actually explain how he expected this iPad to actually be the best internet experience with Flash ?????

I just don't see it happening by in less than two months, been using Click-flash plugin and flash is everywhere on NYT.
 
This is good news from my perspective. I'm still convinced that the roll out of iPad was extremely limited and thus Apple has yet to reveal everything about this device and its plans.

As to magazines and news papers, I honestly don't see the iPad saving any of them as the ones in trouble are being rejected for other reasons. Many publications do fine with traditional magazine distribution, that because of the content that people find worth paying for.

Given that, those are the magazines I would love to see move to electronic distribution. It would mean being able to keep issues around without the clutter that traditional magazines have. You could keep issues for years with no dust build up! Along these lines I'm thinking about technical magazines or special interest magazines.

What we won't see is much success with magazines and newspapers offering up creative leftist publishing. Sadly the NYT is now in that group. People like to call it the paper of record but I suspect that was a term suitable a hundred years ago. Today it is often a waste of time to read the NYT or magazines like Newsweek and other weeklies. Being totally out of whack as far as balance goes is one thing, but what is far worst is that they are so out dated by the time you read them.

The tragedy in Haiti is a prime example of what modern media can offer up vs the lag of weeklies and newspapers. In many ways these forms of publishing are really antiquated and are not likely to see a revival. Sad news like this can often hit the web in minutes, with pics and video not long after. Of course this is drastic in the magnitude of the news but for lesser news peoples attention span has dwindled by the time the weeklies are out. Further a news paper will at best publish one or two pics, which is just about useless when there are thousands published to the web before the presses even start up. In effect the papers need to redefine what is journalism, and what it is to publish.

In the end I really don't see the iPad doing any good at all for these sorts of publications. It is the combo of poor management of editorial content, publishing lag, lack of supporting content and a lack of vision with respect to the future that is killing these publications. Competing with the new media is possible but that will require drastic reevaluation of what the news business is all about.

Dave

I agree with Dave. I just want to add that one reason why print media is doing poorly is because we now have so many new types of media and entertainment: 500 cable channels, internet, video games etc. People are not reading newspapers simply because they prefer to do something else. Having newspaper on iPad will not change this. Also, i do not think that any of these publications will even want to develop special format for iPad. Why would they? There are so many internet-connected devices nowadays and iPad is just one of them. The publishers will be interested in providing access for as many customers as possible (including those without iPads). On the other hand, maintaining several different formats simultaneously (i.e. Web Site, iPad, iMicrosoft etc.) is costly. Most likely they will be simply delivering content on their web sites. So, I do not think that iPad will follow iPod pattern in this case. It might become a viable device on its own though, most likely as a coach entertainment.
 
who cares anyway

Well, let's see...

APPLE for example. Their purposely misleading advertisement on Apple.com/iPad shows a full flash version of the New York Times and promotional video.

You think they chose the NYT by accident. "Whoops, why didn't we choose High Times?"
 
That is one thing

I was already sold on the iPad even before it was released, but give me iPad versions of sfgate.com, orlandosentinel.com, Playgirl, GQ, and a couple of other sexy publications and I'm even happier! :cool:

I just wonder if we'd be able to get anything too racy on this thing. I guess we'll see.
 
No exception to Hefner's Law

I just wonder if we'd be able to get anything too racy on this thing. I guess we'll see.

"When any new media is developed, its first application is porn." -- Hefner's Law. Allegedly said by Hef when starting "Stag Party" now "Playboy,"

I'm sure that the 17+ or lower iTunes is not going to allow porn and skin mags on the iPad. However, I am sure the jailbreak crowd will literally, tear the condom off and get this happening.

The image of a tech crusty getting intimate with an iPad is scary. I'll leave the tasteless jokes to others.
 
Back to the past

Remember life before the internet? We got our daily news from radio, TV and newspapers. Our magazines from newstands. Many people thought the internet was a fad and would quickly die. Well, the internet of course took off and many/most media companies eventually set up shop and the rest is history.

We began accessing content using the internet browsers on our desktop or mobile computers—in our dens and at work. Remember the browser wars?

Widgets and iPhone apps began to pull content from the web without the use of a browser. The iPad will continue this trend and I believe the iPad is a large doorway pointing us to the end of the browser. Better use of content on the network and most likely, more secure.

No more "www.cnn.com". Just click the "cnn" app.

Eventually we'll be back on the couch reading the latest magazine, newspaper or book without using a mouse or a keyboard. No browser, no web address, no typing.
 
Will playboy, penthouse, etc. be allowed? That alone would make this device successful. Mmmmmmmm, playboy......drooling (for the articles of course).

:D
 
Can Apple save newspapers and magazines from oblivion? A lot of newspapers certainly need the help. It remains to be seen if the iPad can ride to their rescue.

Unfortunately the iPad wont make up for content, which among others is a major factor of them faltering now.
 
I'd like to know which apps Steve Jobs has on his iPhone.

He probably has a "Rumor Randomizer" app, in which he just hits a button and it queues one of the many media outlets to post new rumors.

Example:

(Presses button)
News Department at FOX News: Quick! Apparently when the iPad is finally released to market, it will have an auto-hover feature that Steve forgot to mention!
 
What we won't see is much success with magazines and newspapers offering up creative leftist publishing. Sadly the NYT is now in that group. People like to call it the paper of record but I suspect that was a term suitable a hundred years ago. Today it is often a waste of time to read the NYT or magazines like Newsweek and other weeklies. Being totally out of whack as far as balance goes is one thing, but what is far worst is that they are so out dated by the time you read them.

The tragedy in Haiti is a prime example of what modern media can offer up vs the lag of weeklies and newspapers. In many ways these forms of publishing are really antiquated and are not likely to see a revival. Sad news like this can often hit the web in minutes, with pics and video not long after. Of course this is drastic in the magnitude of the news but for lesser news peoples attention span has dwindled by the time the weeklies are out. Further a news paper will at best publish one or two pics, which is just about useless when there are thousands published to the web before the presses even start up. In effect the papers need to redefine what is journalism, and what it is to publish.

I'm not sure where the "creative leftist publishing" comment is coming from, but I guess everyone is entitled to a "creative" opinion.

You seem to believe that "news" consists of publishing "facts" as rapidly as possible with as much multimedia content as possible. If this was all there was to journalism, then you wouldn't need professional journalists--any bozo with a cell phone could publish "news." People turn to professional news sites with the expectation that the writers and editors will take the time to research an article and confirm that the "facts" are actually factual. Additionally readers expect (or should expect) that additional research is performed to help place the news in context. None of this happens instantly. It takes time to put in the work required to adequately research an article that is worth reading.

I actually think you are right that "respectable" news outlets are in trouble. However, I think this has more to do with a universal lowering of expectations among readers (i.e. people seem satisfied that they "understand" something after hearing a sound byte and seeing a couple of pretty pictures rather than suspending judgement and waiting to read a thoughtful and well-researched analysis). Meh, so it goes.
 
It will be interesting to see what Apple comes up with.

Currently I use Zinio. for magazines.

Zinio works good on the Mac and the iPhone. On the iPad it will really rock.

You can check it out for free -- the app and an trial magazine or two.

Zinio already rocks. So I'm sure Apple will bring something really nice to the table.

I've been using Zinio for years.
 

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