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saying "I don't know., I don't recall., and I don't remember." Can be perfectly valid responses. I've been deposed and used the same answers. Attorneys hate it but on the other hand you aren't supposed to volunteer information.
 
If Steve was still alive:

Walmart and Best Buy would take Apple Pay
Who knows if iOS 7 would have even come to fruition
iPhone 6 would probably be the size of the 5.
Same said for OS X Yosemite as iOS 7

Steve was known to change his mind about stuff. The size of the iPhone at the time was considered the perfect size to fit in your hand but things are different today.
The UI design of iOS 1-6 was suppose to transition people from feature phones and books to the smart device age. Now that everyone basically knows how to work an iOS device a change was sort of needed to make sure that users are able to focus on the content, not the OS. He probably would have allowed iOS 7 but just to a certain extent. so much flat like it is now but not too skeiomorhic that is seems too retro and stitchy.
 
saying "I don't know., I don't recall., and I don't remember." Can be perfectly valid responses. I've been deposed and used the same answers. Attorneys hate it but on the other hand you aren't supposed to volunteer information.

The trouble is when they lead you to answer that way knowing their next and further on questions will reveal you do know but are deliberately saying "I don't know., I don't recall., and I don't remember."

Lawyers can be smart and they know the judge is looking for the same thing. Dont always expect your being clever and getting away with something.
 
Why are people so quick to sue

What makes me laugh is all people need to do is Burn a disc of the Music they purchased from iTunes then they can import that music from the disc into the player they choose. Why are people so quick to sue? Oh, I know, they think they will get some sort of big payout but the truth is only the lawyers win in a class action suit. We get some sort of credit worth near to nothing meanwhile the lawyers get 50 to 75% of the awarded money which equals the millions sought by the person suing in the first place. If I am going to sue I'm not doing a class action suit.
 
He didn't have to be a nice guy. He was heading off a major corporation in a business where the tech world is dog eat dog. His ruthless, arrogance and self-righteousness brought a company that was about to close up shop to the most valuable company worldwide.

I have no idea why people here expected a Steve Jobs (A CEO) to be nice guy. They act as if he was suppose to be the MR member's friend.

Being a CEO shouldn't preclude you from being a nice person. I never asked him to be my friend. But I sure as hell wouldn't have worked for him. Leading by intimidation/terror isn't the type of leader I'd want to associate with. But, I guess if that makes him someone's hero, more power to them.
 
I find it funny that Steve would use the word hacker as an negative epithet all things considering.
 
So people bought a music player designed to play music you ripped from CDs you purchased or downloaded from the iTunes store, then sued because it didn't do more than it was advertised to do? Come on.
 
What makes me laugh is all people need to do is Burn a disc of the Music they purchased from iTunes then they can import that music from the disc into the player they choose. Why are people so quick to sue? Oh, I know, they think they will get some sort of big payout but the truth is only the lawyers win in a class action suit. We get some sort of credit worth near to nothing meanwhile the lawyers get 50 to 75% of the awarded money which equals the millions sought by the person suing in the first place. If I am going to sue I'm not doing a class action suit.

It wasn't actually about that, it was about other companies trying to sell music with DRM that worked on an iPod. Which had a totally, totally simple solution: Sell music without DRM! Which is what everybody is doing today.
 
If Steve was still alive:

iPhone 6 would probably be the size of the 5.

You seem delusional.

'If the market tells us were making the wrong choices we listen to the market,' - Steve Jobs on not including Flash in the iPad. It could easily apply to phone screen size too.

Source: http://youtu.be/a20s-blv3b4
 
an MP3 file is like a CD... I could not play cassette tapes on a CD player but thats because of innovation.
Your comparison makes no sense to me. These files were not playable because DRM was implemented to explicitly block this possibility, not because there was some "innovation" in their encoding making other decoders obsolete. The unencrypted stream was AAC, which is an ISO standard.
 
so DRM free now.

The owners should have know, and if they didn't, then they should have asked.
 
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This is still a thing? Damn. I first heard about this when I was just a lurker on this forum and didn't own any Apple products.
 
Every apple product is "locked" to itunes!

WTF is this?

Just add MP3s to itunes, it's not that hard.

Itunes is a wonderful music player too. Not as customizable as I'd like but still great.
 
What about DRM for Movies?

Apple, and others, still heavily DRM Movies and TV Shows. Hollywood requires it.

You cannot take a digital show from Amazon and move it to anything else but Amazon's servers.. Same with iTunes rented or purchased Movie/TV content...

So how can this be 'OK' for Video content and it not be 'OK' for DRM'd music?

Talk about double standards .. this makes no sense.. except when you consider Hollywood has a ton of cash to buy off politicians ... :eek: :confused:

This isn't Apple's fault, or Amazons, or any other content providers.. but you can be sure Apple is blamed for it.
 
You cannot take a digital show from Amazon and move it to anything else but Amazon's servers.. Same with iTunes rented or purchased Movie/TV content...
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Thats the part I don't get. Its the same as it is at the moment with the movie market.
 
Let's remind ourselves what this lawsuit is supposedly about:

They should be suing the music companies for forcing Apple to use DRM in the first place.

Well, not quite. Apple chose a proprietary DRM that other companies could not use. Even if Apple invented the best-ever DRM because nothing that met their standards was available, they could have licensed it to other companies.

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Thats the part I don't get. Its the same as it is at the moment with the movie market.

The difference is that Apple has been doing this for long enough for the lawsuits to come to fruition. The lawsuits will get to Amazon eventually.
 
Hasn't the console gaming industry been this way since forever? Why is this any different?

Yes, the home gaming console and handheld gaming markets have been doing this forever. This is only different because the iPod sold more units than pretty much any gaming ever (more than Wii or PlayStation 2, the biggest selling) and at a profit while doing it. So this is most likely about someone wanting some of that money.

So people bought a music player designed to play music you ripped from CDs you purchased or downloaded from the iTunes store, then sued because it didn't do more than it was advertised to do? Come on.

This whole situation is quite sketchy, Apple tends to under promise and over deliver (or "the Toyota ethos" from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson) which is completely fine and holds water, more so than say the recent false advertisement claim and loss for Sony for its claim that its PlayStation Vita handheld can play PlayStation 3 games over a cellular connection; few games were ever supported and it only worked properly on Wi-Fi on the same network... Apple's in a much better positioning by having more honest, if understated marketing for its audio players.
 
Tort reform would end all of this waste of time. Lawyers would lose incentive to create a stink out of nothing.
 
I think it was less snarky and more arrogant and self-righteous.

Sorry, he may have been a consumer visionary and possibly a genius, but a nice guy he was not. He was just as ruthless as any other corporate figure who would be vilified for similar tactics.

Why would anyone be vilified for being ruthless with their company when another company is using underhanded tactics? You can't be a CEO if you don't know how to fight, or you shouldn't be.

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Tort reform would end all of this waste of time. Lawyers would lose incentive to create a stink out of nothing.

Unfortunately, Tort Reform would also close the gap for complete corporate control of our humanity.

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Yes, the home gaming console and handheld gaming markets have been doing this forever. This is only different because the iPod sold more units than pretty much any gaming ever (more than Wii or PlayStation 2, the biggest selling) and at a profit while doing it. So this is most likely about someone wanting some of that money.



This whole situation is quite sketchy, Apple tends to under promise and over deliver (or "the Toyota ethos" from Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson) which is completely fine and holds water, more so than say the recent false advertisement claim and loss for Sony for its claim that its PlayStation Vita handheld can play PlayStation 3 games over a cellular connection; few games were ever supported and it only worked properly on Wi-Fi on the same network... Apple's in a much better positioning by having more honest, if understated marketing for its audio players.

Promise and deliver works far better than under promising and over delivering, the guy that coined the term is now on speaking tours trying to explain how that strategy never really worked long term. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Otherwise, I agree with your points.
 
Being a CEO shouldn't preclude you from being a nice person. I never asked him to be my friend. But I sure as hell wouldn't have worked for him. Leading by intimidation/terror isn't the type of leader I'd want to associate with. But, I guess if that makes him someone's hero, more power to them.

The amount of bs rumoring about Steve being a tyrant goes back to Apple 1.0. He was nothing like those early days.
 
I find it funny that Steve would use the word hacker as an negative epithet all things considering.

A hacker is generally looked at as an amateur. A company acting as a hacker is completely unprofessional and disingenuous - he's holding it up to the standard that Apple has to be compared to, not himself in his teenage years...not that he ever tried to sell anything he hacked.

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What makes me laugh is all people need to do is Burn a disc of the Music they purchased from iTunes then they can import that music from the disc into the player they choose. Why are people so quick to sue? Oh, I know, they think they will get some sort of big payout but the truth is only the lawyers win in a class action suit. We get some sort of credit worth near to nothing meanwhile the lawyers get 50 to 75% of the awarded money which equals the millions sought by the person suing in the first place. If I am going to sue I'm not doing a class action suit.

So you're going to decompress an MP3 file to a WAV then compress it again. Do you realize how crappy that sounds?
 
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