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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Remember when Apple used to be an innovative company to truly differentiate themselves from the crowd?
What if they were working on a device that could read bluray discs but stream audio and video through Wifi, ethernet or USB 2.0/FireWire 800?
That would be a first for the industry, and certainly a novel idea now that we have a new AppleTV and Macs with at least Wireless N (if an N network cannot support the bandwidth it could scale it down to 1080i or whatever)
That would be magical.
Remember when Apple used to be an innovative company to truly differentiate themselves from the crowd?
What if they were working on a device that could read bluray discs but stream audio and video through Wifi, ethernet or USB 2.0/FireWire 800?
That would be a first for the industry, and certainly a novel idea now that we have a new AppleTV and Macs with at least Wireless N (if an N network cannot support the bandwidth it could scale it down to 1080i or whatever)
That would be magical.
This may have been pointed out previously in this thread, but -
why would anyone bother with BR when SDXC cards (see Mac Mini) will hold the equivalent of 50 double layer BR's ?
why would anyone bother with BR when SDXC cards (see Mac Mini) will hold the equivalent of 50 double layer BR's ?
Because as far I know,if I want to buy a HD movie it's sold on a blu-ray,not a SDXC card
Because as far I know,if I want to buy a HD movie it's sold on a blu-ray,not a SDXC card
OK - I agree, at the moment.
However, if you ran a $230B computer company, would you bother with BR when it's almost archaic compared to the new SD cards.
I can't imagine his Stevieness (or anyone else) making the effort to design 'magical', future-proof products that keep-up with the past.
I don't think Steve All-Mighty agrees with you, evolutionary,
as far as Apple is concerned, is what our Lord & Saviour Steve tells us it is.
AND
IT JUST AINT GONNA HAPPEN - get over it already!
How sad
How sad. Net reaction to Steve's little Apple TV soiree today is cold, colder, and freezing. Ho-hum. Mr. Jobs still foisting 720p compressed crap in 2010? How quaint. And sadly, predictable.
One writer (Adam Philbin) said it best:
How different it could have been. How different had Macs been the first computers to get Blu-ray, and get Blu-ray right.
And apparently, if someone, ANYONE else was running the company. And they gave a damn about computers.
Cutting edge cachet takes a long time to obtain; a hard time to retain, and a damn short time to lose completely.
Apple: The company that can't even be bothered to put a soundhole on a guitar in the right place. Where they put it the top of the guitar would collapse completely into the body with the torsion of the strings.
Ending up with a pile of junk. A more perfect metaphor for Apple would be hard to create.
Reliance on ignorance is a pisspoor business model.
Ah, but for you pirating thieves out there... the light at the end of the tunnel and the oncoming train: Mr. Jobs is now finally and firmly on the OTHER side of bittorrent.
YOUR days are numbered.
How sad. Net reaction to Steve's little Apple TV soiree today is cold, colder, and freezing. Ho-hum. Mr. Jobs still foisting 720p compressed crap in 2010? How quaint. And sadly, predictable.
One writer (Adam Philbin) said it best:
How different it could have been. How different had Macs been the first computers to get Blu-ray, and get Blu-ray right.
And apparently, if someone, ANYONE else was running the company. And they gave a damn about computers.
Cutting edge cachet takes a long time to obtain; a hard time to retain, and a damn short time to lose completely.
Apple: The company that can't even be bothered to put a soundhole on a guitar in the right place. Where they put it the top of the guitar would collapse completely into the body with the torsion of the strings.
Ending up with a pile of junk. A more perfect metaphor for Apple would be hard to create.
Reliance on ignorance is a pisspoor business model.
Ah, but for you pirating thieves out there... the light at the end of the tunnel and the oncoming train: Mr. Jobs is now finally and firmly on the OTHER side of bittorrent.
YOUR days are numbered.
Do you really think there will ever be an end to piracy?
The movie studios keep screaming "PLEASE PIRATE", with all the DRM and licensing ******** they keep using to give both middle fingers to the honest consumers.
Gee, it would make much more sense for MS to offer a BD option in a console which interfaces with a large screen TV - ever wonder why they don't?
That would be because they already offerred it for HD-DVD, the dead competitor to Blu-Ray.
I did, however, mention Mercedes-Benz, and, to my knowledge, they haven't been distributing their patented technology to other manufacturers.
Are they uptight as well?
The irony iz teh sweet.
I can't find a Youtube vid, but I know for a fact Mercedes put out a commercial touting how the invention of crumple zones was so important, it gave away the patents and now every car has them.
Apple don't have/support Blue Rat (or some older geek technology like that?)
You still have a DVD drive don't you? That's OLD technology, 1997 to be exact.
Apple hasn't graduated past that yet.
Don't worry about it. DMann is quite known for just ignoring any proof that he is wrong and to merrily go one touting his horn. Mercedes also have sharing agreements with BMW over technology, parts and materials, but don't tell him that, you'll ruin his bunk analogy
Just notice how he ignored all the proof that Blu-ray isn't fringe that was posted in this thread. Sales, Unit volumes, growth year-over-year, comparisons to DVDs all showing Blu-ray as a clear winner and a very well received technology. He ignored all that and still spouts the "BD is fringe" non-sense as if it was fact.
I think somehow it makes him feel better about all his "Apple can do no wrong" comments if he can just ignore the reality that Apple isn't always right.
OK - I agree, at the moment.
However, if you ran a $230B computer company, would you bother with BR when it's almost archaic compared to the new SD cards.
I can't imagine his Stevieness (or anyone else) making the effort to design 'magical', future-proof products that keep-up with the past.
You seem to think it's something stuck in the past. Blu-Ray is the best the market can offer NOW. Apple missed the boat, they still ship DVD-ROM drives do they not? They distribute their software on DVDs, not SDXC cards, right? Think you'll be able to buy 10.7 on SD card?
Or that he sees that MS not offering a BD drive after HD-DVD was announced dead is MS ignoring the large TV demographic.
It would seriously only take a firmware update to make the Xbox360 recognize a USB BD Drive and do BD playback.
No, the 360 is not capable of reading the discs, Blu-Ray requires a new playback head/optical pickup. It is not readable by DVD-ROM drives. Same went for HD-DVD, and that's why the HD-DVD player for XBox was an external drive.
Existing consoles would need an external drive and they'd have to integrate a new drive in new consoles.
Microsoft won't do it (at least not in this generation) because they were central to HD-DVD and licensing Blu-Ray would directly help Sony, who IS their direct competition in this area. Apple has no such direct competition and is in fact a member of the Blu-Ray forum.
Apart from their Pro software, distributing their software on BD or SDXC is needlessly expensive.
I meant USB BD drive, Changed it.
Microsoft need to offer a BD solution in their next console, DVD is becoming a bottleneck on the 360. For example, FF13 had better quality textures and 1080P cutscenes on the PS3, but had compressed textures and videos on the 360 and came on multiple discs. Kotaku also mentioned that it probably only rendered at 576p and scaled up. Hideo Kojima even said that one dual layer BD disc wasn't big enough for his original vision for MGS4! Mass Effect 2 for the 260 was also on multiple discs, so was Blue Dragon.
Except I wasn't talking about his MS comment, I was talking about his Mercedes comment and his general comments on Blu-ray. MS will need to support Blu-ray at some point, DVD is really showing its age for games that require tons more storage.
This was the straw that broke the camel's back! That convinced me that Apple makes horrible products. I am going back to beautiful windows machines from Dell and HP. And for sure I am trading in my ugly 27" iMac that clearly ripped off its design from this beautiful Lenovo.
I never realized what a terrible decision I made to go Mac. Wow - I was fooled by Apple!!
Note: This was pure sarcasm. Apple products have made my life easier. Plus no other company has products that come close to Apple's elegant aesthetics. With Apple I have products that "just work" and they look great!
Still wanking on about "Apple approved," huh?
Perhaps when consumer demand for this peripheral reaches a high enough level, this single company will determine it to be a profitable offering.
Gee, it would make much more sense for MS to offer a BD option in a console which interfaces with a large screen TV - ever wonder why they don't?
If I had to guess the reason why we will never see a Blu-Ray add on for the 360 is going to be of raw cost for it. The most expensive part of a BluRay player is the drive itself so the add on would be fairly costly and be around the cost of most bluRay players so no money savings going that route for the consumer.
Now if you compared 360 on playing DVDs to a mid range DVD player. The mid range DVD player is what I would call better. It is quiter uses less power and so on. The 360 is a gaming devices first. Now for playing DVD the 360 is really nice and it is what I use because I got it to play games and saw no point to buying a dedicated DVD player if my 360 can do the job.
Now if I was given the choice of buying a add on to just playing BluRay or a dedicated bluRay player for the same cost. I am going to go with the dedicated bluray player.
Now I do expect the Xbox 720 to have a bluRay drive in it.
But the point I was making about is MS knows that.
I leave you with this question
If you just wanted to play DVDs would you buy a 360 or a DVD player? That is what an added on and a BluRay player boil down to since the add on would bring nothing extra to the table but being a dedicated bluray player.
I really doubt Apple's 10% market share is majorly holding back Blu-Ray's adoption.
While I would love a large capacity storage medium that has greater longevity than a traditional drive and with good durability like a DVD, I don't see the pressing need for Blu-Ray. Very few computers have Blu-Ray, and, until this changes and they become the new standard, software makers will not be distributing their programs using it. Consumers, too, are not rushing to replace their movie collection having already done that sometime over the last ten years and not seeing the same level of difference seen between VHS and DVDs with DVDs and Blu-Rays. Does anyone know the proportion of Windows PCs being purchased with Blu-Ray players? I'd be shocked if it is 15%.
I enjoy watching Blu-Rays from Netflix on my PS3. However, given the ability to watch a film immediately via streaming at 720p or wait until the 1080p Blu-Ray arrives in the mail, I'd choose immediate gratification everytime. I just find the difference negligible, even on a large plasma. The two versions would have to be side-by-side to notice the difference unlike when DVDs came on to the scene and people immediately were blown away by the improvements.
Further, the future seems to be digital/portable everything. Why have physical media that is sensitive to bumps and has shape and size constraints when you can have an H.264 version that runs on everything? As compression technology improves, we should see 1080p digital versions becoming available and ubiquitous (ROKU has stated 1080p streaming will be available soon).
If Blu-Ray is the end all, be all for you, and you want a Mac, pick up a new or pre-loved Mac Pro and pop a Blu-Ray reader/burner in it from OWC for $150.00. If you have another Mac in mind, OWC has external Blu-Ray readers for $180 and external Blu-Ray reader/burners for $250.00. If you really want to watch Blu-Rays on your Mac, YouTube has several tutorials on ripping a Blu-Ray film's m2ts file so you can watch it on your Mac.
Getting up off the couch to change a movie seems so 1980's. I'd rather have a digital film juke box.
While I would love a large capacity storage medium that has greater longevity than a traditional drive and with good durability like a DVD, I don't see the pressing need for Blu-Ray. Very few computers have Blu-Ray, and, until this changes and they become the new standard, software makers will not be distributing their programs using it. Consumers, too, are not rushing to replace their movie collection having already done that sometime over the last ten years and not seeing the same level of difference seen between VHS and DVDs with DVDs and Blu-Rays. Does anyone know the proportion of Windows PCs being purchased with Blu-Ray players? I'd be shocked if it is 15%.
I enjoy watching Blu-Rays from Netflix on my PS3. However, given the ability to watch a film immediately via streaming at 720p or wait until the 1080p Blu-Ray arrives in the mail, I'd choose immediate gratification everytime. I just find the difference negligible, even on a large plasma. The two versions would have to be side-by-side to notice the difference unlike when DVDs came on to the scene and people immediately were blown away by the improvements.
Further, the future seems to be digital/portable everything. Why have physical media that is sensitive to bumps and has shape and size constraints when you can have an H.264 version that runs on everything? As compression technology improves, we should see 1080p digital versions becoming available and ubiquitous (ROKU has stated 1080p streaming will be available soon).
If Blu-Ray is the end all, be all for you, and you want a Mac, pick up a new or pre-loved Mac Pro and pop a Blu-Ray reader/burner in it from OWC for $150.00. If you have another Mac in mind, OWC has external Blu-Ray readers for $180 and external Blu-Ray reader/burners for $250.00. If you really want to watch Blu-Rays on your Mac, YouTube has several tutorials on ripping a Blu-Ray film's m2ts file so you can watch it on your Mac.
Getting up off the couch to change a movie seems so 1980's. I'd rather have a digital film juke box.
Wow! You've fixed my problems! Not. You do know that power users exist, right? Perhaps you've not met any, since they don't call the help desk, not needing it. (also describes most Mac users)
This is what I refer to as basic functionality, try to keep up....
Fact 1: I use a web-based enterprise software solution. It frequently needs to use popups to do certain tasks. The popups may wait for user input within the popup or they may close on their own, depending on the query result in the web database. They flash by very fast when the enterprise server is fast, just like any web-based page loading.
Fact 2: WindowsXP keeps track of most recent app focus, so using Alt-Tab and similar app-switching will cycle through the apps in a LIFO order of usage. This order can be altered by Minimizing, but that isn't an issue here. I typically have 5 apps running during the day.
Fact 3: Our enterprise software requires IE6/7 for full functionality. It used to require IE6 only, yes, one of those apps. They are slowly working towards supporting modern browsers, but I have no time frame from them on when it might happen, it was supposed to be last winter. IE8, Safari, Firefox are not completely compatible, not even IE8 in IE7 compatibility mode. Chrome barely even loads anything. The compatibility issues are not related to my problem, however.
Issue: If I run the enterprise software in Safari or Firefox, the popups generally come/go/stay as required, and Safari/Firefox remains the active/focused app, either on its main window or on the popup when necessary. However, if I run this command in IE, the popups and other windows do not maintain focus order properly, frequently losing focus to either the next app in the focus cycle, or the app that would be last in the cycle. Why does the Microsoft app not work with Windows app focus properly when others do? The really beautiful thing? If IE is the only app running, it can still lose focus! Must be like closing its eyes.
There's more!: If I am using the commands that cause these popups frequently during the day, I can manage to get it to behave! I can click a couple extra times on the IE main window while the popups are flying by. After a dozen or so of these interactions, it will start using app focus properly for the rest of the day. (til logoff of Windows) The popups will then always be in focus properly, and revert back to the main IE window. Is there something special about 9am that it sucks, but by 11am I can get it to behave?
I also see many other app-focus annoyances where focus gets hosed, all mainly with Microsoft software, which is 4 of the 5 apps I generally run. (esp when running a task in one MS app, when it finishes it always pushes its way to the top, jumping in front of anything you are doing) So please, explain the PEBCAK to me on this one. I was under the impression that Win was able to multitask beginning with Win95, but I haven't been able to control it ever in any version up through XP. I've been told upgrading to 7 isn't an option as I am firmly part of that 70% of the world stuck with XP, so fixes there wouldn't even matter, not that I would believe they actually fixed it until I try myself.
It's a bit cheaper to buy the drive and enclosure separately from NewEgg. You can get a Blu-ray burner and USB2 enclosure for $135.
This is what I do, but you can play the discs (sans menus) with about a minute of effort using Make MKV and VLC, but you really need a quad-core cpu to do it.
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